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Tenant Exploiting The Landlord & Tenant Act

Whats next Sophia, are they gonna walk over your lawn too??!! :biggrin1:
When he starts mowing the lawn he can. The backyard has always been the domain of the upstairs tenant, even when I was renting it out. The deal was that they maintain the lawn, which the last tenants that I had to usurp my life for didn't. I'm still trying to get rid of all the clover. I could just sell the place and rent myself. Let someone else deal with his shyte, as my agent, who also understands my predicament put it.
 

mandrill

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The "no pets clauses" were deliberately de-clawed 30 years ago after a high profile case when an old lady was made to give up her cat. It's a government policy choice that landlords have to accept pets which are not a nuisance. Everybody in the rental business knows this, except apparently you.

And he gets to bring his girlfriend over. A landlord can't prevent a tenant having guests. Everybody in the rental business knows this, except apparently you.

When you rent, you give up some control over your place. It can be emotionally tough to do this, but it's the reality.

You can't get rid of him at the end of his lease, as the lease automatically goes over month to month.

You can't install a hidden camera to check when his girlfriend comes over and then sue him for the few $$$ extra per week that you apparently feel a 2nd person in the unit will cost you. Are you NUTS???!!!

If you do this, you will have to pay him damages if he brings you in front of the Landlord and Tenant Tribunal. It's pretty much straight up harassment.

Go to Landlord's Self Help Centre. (I think they're still around). And ffs CHILL!!!!!! You're becoming the landlord from hell and you're going to get killed if he tells HIS version of the story to the press or to the Board.

You're objecting to him having a kitten? And a girlfriend? How NUTS is that going to sound??!!
 

Jasmine Raine

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SS - while the blue bigot lawyer is right in the factual shit, don't take his post to heart. As you can see he has little respect for people, especially if he feels you have a mental health issue.

Not that he truly feels you do here I suspect but he loves to use labelling offensive language so put his post where most others of this nature should go, down the gutter with his mentalism bullshit.
 
I'm not talking about putting a camera in his unit, I'm talking about on my garage, showing comings and goings as his entrance is off the side of the house where the garage is.

I'm not nuts, any landlord knows how I feel. The laws are erroneously slanted in favour of tenants. My agent has already told me that other clients of his who rent have told him that the Landlord & Tenant Board can be sympathetic towards landlords. Your forgetting that his former landlords asked him to leave for the same reasons I'm upset with him. He's loud and disruptive between the hours of 10 pm and 8 am and he was deliberately deceptive to me and my agent. If he didn't have anything to hide, why do so. He knows that he's being a little P, as my agent also referred to him. I'm doing monthly inspections of his place with 24 hours notice to ensure the proper maintenance of the unit and that there's no damage by the kitten, soon to be cat, which can do damage as he has no history of being a pet owner as far as I know. It was his previous landlord that gave me this idea as she inspected his basement apartment the same way and told me he was a slob, even without a kitten. It's in the lease that it be kept in a certain condition.

Anyone would be upset at being deceived and taken advantage of. There are professional tenants out there and he's fast becoming one of them. I tried calling the board last night but they were almost closed and the wait time was 10 minutes. I'll be calling them today after my morning meeting.
 
SS - while the blue bigot lawyer is right in the factual shit, don't take his post to heart. As you can see he has little respect for people, especially if he feels you have a mental health issue.

Not that he truly feels you do here I suspect but he loves to use labelling offensive language so put his post where most others of this nature should go, down the gutter with his mentalism bullshit.
Thank You! I'm not an unreasonable person, but you have to be honest with me, otherwise things go to pot. When I left my condo in Woodbridge the landlord did an inspection and was very pleased. I left it cleaner than when I had moved in. Why? I respect myself and others.
 

richaceg

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best thing is get some clients in there while they're downstairs and fuck the shit out of him and make sure to crank up the sound effects!

kidding aside, my cousin who bought a house, rented the basement and had great tenants...couple with 1 kid...then became 2...all manageable and the couple were good peoples...until it was time for them to move out...it's really a hit and miss when it comes to tenants...unfortunately for you, this guy seems to exploit and take advantage of tenant-landlord act...he knows what he's doing so becareful and tread lightly...this guy probably knows how to squeeze some cash off you at every turn...
 

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I side with the tenant on this. A landlord can’t control if a tenant begins a relationship or has a pet.
You can’t evict when the lease is up, he has the right to continue it.
Harassing him for these things can get you in trouble if he decided to pursue it.

Some people aren’t meant to be landlords.
 
Sorry, but I'm a great landlord and have a reference letter to prove it. I'll also be getting one from my other current tenant, a respectful, middle aged Muslim woman. He has a bad reference from his last and only previous landlord and won't be getting a good one from me. It's a two way street. I show respect, he doesn't!
 

richaceg

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Which begs the question, why did you lease to him?? Especially in todays market where there's a housing shortage in the GTA
pretty much what makes me scratch my head....all the red flags and Sophia still took him in...sometimes a good heart are rewarded badly...
 

rhuarc29

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Oh boy, after reading this entire thread, I'm not seeing a happy outcome to all this. Seems like you're both being unreasonable, and have entered a cycle of blame that will feed on itself until something drastic happens.

He may have lied to you or misled you, but you have no legal right to disallow him from having a girlfriend and apparently no legal right to disallow him from owning a pet. You can't restrict his or his girlfriend's comings and goings.
With the noise issue, unless it's consistently excessive, I don't see what you can do. Invest in a fan.

I sympathize. I do. I remember what it was like rooming with others who had different lifestyles from mine. I have a feeling I'm a lot like you. I am always careful not to inconvenience others if I can help it. But the reality is that not all lifestyles are compatible, or at least can't live in complete harmony. Remember that everyone has a different perspective. What you find is thoughtless and disruptive behavior, he likely finds completely acceptable and normal. What he thinks may be ridiculous restrictions you imposed on him, you may think are completely reasonable.
 

Darts

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Reality check.

When I was young and foolish, I bought an 8 unit apartment building and rented out the units.

Lesson learned: Never rent anything to tenants.

Suggestion to the OP: Offer your tenant $1,000 to leave.
 

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Which begs the question, why did you lease to him?? Especially in todays market where there's a housing shortage in the GTA
Did you read the part his previous landlord went silent until after Sophia rented to him. She only was able to contact his previous landlord after the fact. That's when all the info was shared. I think the previous landlord just wanted to get rid of him and purposely went into hiding until this tenant became someone else's problem.
 

richaceg

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Reality check.

When I was young and foolish, I bought an 8 unit apartment building and rented out the units.

Lesson learned: Never rent anything to tenants.

Suggestion to the OP: Offer your tenant $1,000 to leave.
This. You will probably end up saving a few by offering a few bucks...as you described...I don't think there's anything you both can do that can iron out this wrinkle...I have thought about buying an income property myself awhile back...my realtor looked me straight in the eye and asked why I'm shopping around for a house when I already have one and not willing to relocate. I simply said, it could be a nice investment that will pay for itself...he just laughed at me...and we never spoke of it again...
 

richaceg

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Did you read the part his previous landlord went silent until after Sophia rented to him. She only was able to contact his previous landlord after the fact. That's when all the info was shared. I think the previous landlord just wanted to get rid of him and purposely went into hiding until this tenant became someone else's problem.
Yes but as a landlord or future landlord, She could've simply said, she would wait for the references to come in before making the decision.
 
Yes but as a landlord or future landlord, She could've simply said, she would wait for the references to come in before making the decision.
Unfortunately there's usually a 48 hr period to check out references, financial info. etc. after an offer is made, otherwise it becomes null and void. As I said before, I used his facebook pg., much like prospective employers do when hiring and went with my agent's take on him, which was that he's the male version of my former, good tenant, in lieu of a landlord's reference. Even my male agent feels duped by him, so it's not a silly, female reaction.
 

richaceg

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Unfortunately there's usually a 48 hr period to check out references, financial info. etc. after an offer is made, otherwise it becomes null and void. As I said before, I used his facebook pg., much like prospective employers do when hiring and went with my agent's take on him, which was that he's the male version of my former, good tenant, in lieu of a landlord's reference. Even my male agent feels duped by him, so it's not a silly, female reaction.
I don't think it's a female reaction...It's simply "protect yourself at all times" having a tenant is a make or break decision you will live with for a very long time. Gut feeling can get you in trouble...references printed in black is the name of the game. I hope you will find a solution to this because it can be very stressful.
 
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