Teacher Charged Having Sex with 13 Year Old

[pool]

For an Escort Review Board there are a hell of alot of PC twerps who hang their hats here.

Could you please explain the logic behind your implication. It makes no sense.

I may be out to lunch, but it's better than being stuck with with a lunch box ... whatever that means.

Morgan, I added the "almost" and "openly" as an after thought : )

 

[jwmorrice]

Could you please explain the logic behind your implication. It makes no sense.

I may be out to lunch, but it's better than being stuck with with a lunch box ... whatever that means.

Morgan, I added the "almost" and "openly" as an after thought : )

Poolie:

I think he may be referring to your computer, i.e. PC, troubles!

jwm

 

[Don]

double standard

A fairly interesting article on the double standardness of the case

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm.../ts_usatoday/abusecasesfacedoublestandard&e=4

 

[train]

You'd almost never hear a female openly wishing a hot male teacher had come on to them at age 13.

How do you know ? While I would be surprised if any 13 yr old girl would share this desire with anyone over the age of 15 , I think it may be a mistake to assume 13 yr old females don't have churning hormones .

While I appreciate your point........boys are different , society treats them differently and without question he is getting more nudge,nudge,wink,wink than sympathy ......as well he should . Whether boys are different because of the "double standard " or there should be a double standard because they are different is an unanswerable question .

Odds are he's not going to be traumatized .

 

[Maddog]

Wow!

Reading some of these comments, all I can say is Wow! As a teacher, let me give my 2 cents. First off - Peelcowboy - you're an idiot to make a comment like that, plain and simple. Pool - Thank you for bringing out the double standard arguement. Here's the reality. As a young male teacher, I don't even leave myself in a classroom alone with a student, especially with a female one. Extra help - forget it in today's world. You need to bring some friends, b/c I can't risk the lawsuits. As an educator, it personally sickens me anytime I see cases such as this one. We have been entrusted with a sacred trust - to guide the lives of YOUR children. Personally, it is a trust and a duty that I take very seriously. What will this teacher get - probably a slap on the wrist. If it was a male teacher, with either a 13 year old male or female student, then the public would be out there crying for a public castration. And as well they should be. But the public should be just as outraged in this sense as well, because it probably is much easier to for female teacher to seduce young boys. But lets look at it for what she really is - a pedophile. Tell me Peelcowboy - if you're son came home with some 25 year old pregnant crackhead (pregnant with his child), would you still be saying "that's my boy!"? Chances are you'd be calling the police. If you weren't then someone should be calling Children's Aid on you.

Are adults sometimes aroused (for lack of a better term) by young teenagers? No doubt. How many of us weren't turned on by Brittney Spears in her debut video in the Catholic school uniform? However, I know personally that when I found out that she was only 17, I was then turned off just as quickly. Many young people can make themselves look older very easily. Its how we react to these urges once we know the truth that separates most of the "normal" society from those sickos and/or those that need help.

 

[pool]

How do you know ? While I would be surprised if any 13 yr old girl would share this desire with anyone over the age of 15 , I think it may be a mistake to assume 13 yr old females don't have churning hormones .

Hence the word "openly"

. Whether boys are different because of the "double standard " or there should be a double standard because they are different is an unanswerable question .

I suppose it's one of those cycles that perpetuates itself.

How many of us weren't turned on by Brittney Spears in her debut video in the Catholic school uniform?

Not I !!! ... are you completely mad ?? ... yeah right, I'm going straight to hell in a shopping cart : )

However, I didn't feel guilt or become turned off once I knew her age. Being human, all it said to me was that, for more reasons than just the law, she is "off limits" or "incompatible". To me there is a big difference between a pedophileand recognising a superficial physical attraction to a 17 year old teenager or appreciating the beauty of a child - sad, really. I think people really have built up walls due to the all encompassing label society has created.

Good post, Maddog.

 

[zog]

Attracted to hot women...

How many of us weren't turned on by Brittney Spears in her debut video in the Catholic school uniform?

Brittney is hot in that video because she does not look 17! She looks like a young but adult woman with a great body. It is healthy and natural for men to be impressed with her as she appeared in that video.

It's when adults find themselves attracted sexually to someone who looks or obvioulsy is a child that there is real danger. The adult is not healthy and the consequences for the child, if the adult acts on their feelings, can be quite hurtful.

 

[pool]

hit me

It's when adults find themselves attracted sexually to someone who looks or obvioulsy is a child that there is real danger. The adult is not healthy and the consequences for the child, if the adult acts on their feelings, can be quite hurtful.

Absolutely, Zog, ... and I think the emphasis is on the psychological factor involved in their tendencies toward that physical attraction and, if is the case, acting on it.

 

[pool]

Do Pool and Zog and Maddog think that over the coarse of human history that 13 and 14 and 15 year olds have never been having consensual sex of any kind?

Where did any one of us even imply such a ludicrous notion ?

There are societies in sub-saharan Africa right now where 13 and 14 year olds, males and females, are getting married right now. You can criticize if you want, but be careful if you do, because that puts you in the position of being cultural bigots; inflicting your white, judeo-christian, western beliefs on a society that has the same right to their own culture as you have to yours.

Although stemming from a Judeo-Christian morality, all our society has done is evolve those values, and uphold guidelines accordingly, based on what it is believed to be socially "correct" psychologically and biologically. I wouldn't criticise other cultures "morality" for the simple fact that their entire social structure and programming is different.

 

[jwmorrice]

Society certainly does evolve. Back in 1959, the movie Gigi won 10 or 11 academy awards. Now, it feels creepy just to hear Maurice Chevalier sing 'Thank Heaven, for little girls'. Have we advanced? Or is our society so saturated and obsessed with sex that the beauties of young girls can no longer be appraised without the possibility of the sexual act lying just over the mental horizon. Sadly, so it would seem.

jwm

 

[WhaWhaWha]

Back in 1959, the movie Gigi won 10 or 11 academy awards. Now, it feels creepy just to hear Maurice Chevalier sing 'Thank Heaven, for little girls'.

I was thinking about that also. Remember that wonderful coming of age romance, "Summer of 42"? We will always romanticize the notion of forbidden fruit and trysts with underage partners. Just as long as we remember not to act them out.

Any teacher faced with that temptation or opportunity should know better. No matter how willing the student, no matter how self assured - she is still in a power position in terms of her role in his life. She will always be viewed as a predator no matter what the real dynamics are.

 

[pool]

Society certainly does evolve. Back in 1959, the movie Gigi won 10 or 11 academy awards. Now, it feels creepy just to hear Maurice Chevalier sing 'Thank Heaven, for little girls'. Have we advanced?

I'm just wondering if the French have changed their view over time. It's my perception that they are less conservative regarding expression and even actions pertaining to the sexuality of youth.

Obviously pedophilia has always been around. It's just that now it's not such a forbidden topic and victims are more educated ; not blaming themselves. So, in that way we could say we've evolved given our cultural morality.

There is most definitely a trend toward society being more accepting of youth as sexual. The media sells youth as beauty and society in general condemns the appreciation of youth in any sexual context.

The problem is that if we are more liberal minded we could encourage or even seem to condone acts of "true" pedophilia. It's a slippery slope we're on and we may have evolved, but whether we've progressed or not, I'm not sure.

It depends on whether "progression" is seen as moving toward being in tune with natural inclinations or suppressing them, in an attempt to maintain a blanket morality. "In tune", meaning acting contrary to our impulses, but being aware.

huh

 

[jwmorrice]

With respect to my last posting, I'd say that something similar has happened to any show of affection between men, i.e. it's been sexualized. Here's an interesting photo from the 1929 Academy Award winner 'Wings'. These days, could we ever look at something similar without sniggering?

http://images.zap2it.com/ltvimages/images/shows/w/wings/wings_big_002.jpg

jwm

 

[590_The_Fan]

I guess her husband/SO was just not satisfying her enough...

How deflating is that to one's ego...to have your hot babe wife/SO prefer a 13 year old over you. I think he needs to go into therapy.

 

[yoniluvrca]

I'm just wondering if the French have changed their view over time. It's my perception that they are less conservative regarding expression and even actions pertaining to the sexuality of youth. huh

When I was 24 years old (22 yrs ago) and hitch-hiking in Europe I met a 15 yo girl and had a torrid two week affair. Most of the sex(and we had a lot)took place while staying at her parent's place. They owned a hotel in the French alps and it was off season. They gave us a suite for privacy.

The age difference was not great, 9 years, and it never even occured to me that there was anything wrong with the relationship. Had I been her teacher this perception would no doubt have been different as there is a power relationship included in the teacher/student dynamic (no doubt one of the reasons it is tempting).

It all ended quite suddenly and somebody got quite hurt-me. Her interest lagged and she soon found another person (actually she met an older woman, early thirties if memory serves, and much more sophisticated than me, a hitch-hiking hippie) who interested her more.

Not sure why I throw this into the mix other than to brag and it is a sweet memory. Oh yes, the French are much more liberal in these matters. Her father actually joked with me about how much time we were spending locked up in the suite, and her mother was quite concerned that I had enough to eat as I was burning so much energy (said with a wink).

 

[zog]

You ruined her

...she soon found another person ... an older woman ... a hitch-hiking hippie...
Not sure why I throw this into the mix other than to brag...

Oh my God! You turned her into a lesbian! Are you proud of the fact that two weeks with you was enough to turn her off men forever?

How can you still think that this type of relationship is healthy?

[/sarcasm]

 

[shack]

Society certainly does evolve. Back in 1959, the movie Gigi won 10 or 11 academy awards. Now, it feels creepy just to hear Maurice Chevalier sing 'Thank Heaven, for little girls'.

I was watching "Annie Hall" on the weekend and there's a scene where Woody Allen's friend is picking him up from jail and he gives Woody shit because his time with two 16yo twins was interrupted. That was 1977. I don't think they'd say that in a movie today.

 

[yoniluvrca]

Oh my God! You turned her into a lesbian! Are you proud of the fact that two weeks with you was enough to turn her off men forever?

How can you still think that this type of relationship is healthy?

I didn't "turn" her into anything. She was a healthy young woman with a very healthy sexual appetite. Had I been a little less proud and possesive (as I now see it) the three of us could have perhaps have had some fun.

As for this type of relationship being "healthy", I have no idea if it is healthy or not. It was a fun fling for me at the time that is all I know.

Interesting how quick to label ourselves we are. If a woman finds another woman attractive is she then a lesbian? I would say she is just a woman who finds another woman attractive.

No problem with labels but if you label yourself you are stuck with it. One of the most previlant labels we have today is the "I am a victim" label.

I have a friend, a woman, who is in her early 40's. Quite possibly this woman is the most sexually open person I know. Her sexual life would put most of us to shame and she is also a person who knows how to bring intimacy to even the most depraved sexual game.

My friend first had sex at the age of 9 with an older uncle. By her own admission, she seduced him. Now I can just hear the howls of outrage that this will invite. But let me assure you that this woman is quite health and well adjusted these days. And she is very aware of herself and what drives her.

This is not to say that she has not been through some problems with all of this. There were psychiatrists who wanted to medicate her and tried to convince her that she was seriously fucked up with this history. As an adult though she kept looking at it and kept taking responsibility for her life as it is right now.

What she has told me about this is that she kept seeing that then, as now, she was/is responsible for her actions.She choses to see it this way no matter what the situation. (If a meteor fell from ths sky and hit her car I am quite sure she would not even blame God for this act-she would simply start looking for a new car) The uncle, she says, was and is, also responsible for his actions, but that that is not her business.

Many people today still try to convince her that she was abused. She just does not see it this way. She is, as I mentioned, now in her early 40's. She is a reasonably successful artist and has very few "problems" other that the normal every day challenges we all face. She is one of the most remarkable women I know-and she has a body that any 18 year old would be proud of.

None of this means anything other than that this fabulous being exists as an example and as a teacher for me,to address the assumptions that I have about what sex means. It certainly does not mean that I believe that it is okay for uncles to have sex with their pre-teen neices. But once this has happened we have a choice to make. Do we become a victim? Or do we use what has happened to see more clearly and to become a stronger, healthier person.

Who knows what will happen with this 13 yo. If he listens to the shrinks that have no doubt descended upon him though it could take him the rest of his life to recover.

 

[n_v]

I didn't "turn" her into anything. She was a healthy young woman with a very healthy sexual appetite. Had I been a little less proud and possesive (as I now see it) the three of us could have perhaps have had some fun.

As for this type of relationship being "healthy", I have no idea if it is healthy or not. It was a fun fling for me at the time that is all I know.

Interesting how quick to label ourselves we are. If a woman finds another woman attractive is she then a lesbian? I would say she is just a woman who finds another woman attractive.

No problem with labels but if you label yourself you are stuck with it. One of the most previlant labels we have today is the "I am a victim" label.

I have a friend, a woman, who is in her early 40's. Quite possibly this woman is the most sexually open person I know. Her sexual life would put most of us to shame and she is also a person who knows how to bring intimacy to even the most depraved sexual game.

My friend first had sex at the age of 9 with an older uncle. By her own admission, she seduced him. Now I can just hear the howls of outrage that this will invite. But let me assure you that this woman is quite health and well adjusted these days. And she is very aware of herself and what drives her.

This is not to say that she has not been through some problems with all of this. There were psychiatrists who wanted to medicate her and tried to convince her that she was seriously fucked up with this history. As an adult though she kept looking at it and kept taking responsibility for her life as it is right now.

What she has told me about this is that she kept seeing that then, as now, she was/is responsible for her actions.She choses to see it this way no matter what the situation. (If a meteor fell from ths sky and hit her car I am quite sure she would not even blame God for this act-she would simply start looking for a new car) The uncle, she says, was and is, also responsible for his actions, but that that is not her business.

Many people today still try to convince her that she was abused. She just does not see it this way. She is, as I mentioned, now in her early 40's. She is a reasonably successful artist and has very few "problems" other that the normal every day challenges we all face. She is one of the most remarkable women I know-and she has a body that any 18 year old would be proud of.

None of this means anything other than that this fabulous being exists as an example and as a teacher for me,to address the assumptions that I have about what sex means. It certainly does not mean that I believe that it is okay for uncles to have sex with their pre-teen neices. But once this has happened we have a choice to make. Do we become a victim? Or do we use what has happened to see more clearly and to become a stronger, healthier person.

Who knows what will happen with this 13 yo. If he listens to the shrinks that have no doubt descended upon him though it could take him the rest of his life to recover.

OOOOOKAAAAAAAAAY

 

[pool]

Do we become a victim? Or do we use what has happened to see more clearly and to become a stronger, healthier person.

It's a an excellent point. I think that we tend to unintentionally create a negative stigma of a person who is victimised. That doesn't mean the person isn't a victim as such, but there is this mindset that people who have been raped or abused should be pitied as fragile people. In a way this dis-empowers them.

I gotta digest the rest. It's obvious this topic isn't one people care to, or can't, dig into too much.