Tamara Lich has been denied bail

[mandrill]

That bias is likely worth another zero for her settlement when she sues Justin and the Govt of Canada

For what, John?

She's charged w a crime under the Criminal Code. She got a bail hearing within the statutory time period with full due process and right to counsel. Her attorney didn't challenge the judge for bias. I'm trying to see the due process infringement here. Let alone the claim for damages.

If you were going to bring a motion for habeas corpus, what would your argument be?.... I'm just interested.

If her lawyer believes that the facts of the case don't fit the section charged under the Criminal Code, surely she can bring a pre trial motion. If you were the attorney, John, what would your argument be and what caselaw and authorities would you rely on?.... I'm just interested.

 

[fall]

hellooOo...What part of "illegal occupancy" don't you understand?

Helloooo, what part of "occupation is not the same as violence" don;t you understand. Violence -> police should get involved. No violence -> negotiation. Noise and traffic problem is not a violence. Smashing windows, cars, setting buildings on fire is violence.

 

[fall]

For what, John?

She's charged w a crime under the Criminal Code. She got a bail hearing within the statutory time period with full due process and right to counsel. Her attorney didn't challenge the judge for bias. I'm trying to see the due process infringement here. Let alone the claim for damages.

If you were going to bring a motion for habeas corpus, what would your argument be?.... I'm just interested.

If her lawyer believes that the facts of the case don't fit the section charged under the Criminal Code, surely she can bring a pre trial motion. If you were the attorney, John, what would your argument be and what caselaw and authorities would you rely on?.... I'm just interested.

In Ontario we have a Common law, so, precedents are important. She has been denied bail fro minor offence and he release presents no danger (she can easily "lead" the protest from inside the jail too if it was an issue, and,again, there was no evidence her actions led to damage of physical property of person), so, the judge's decision goes against existing precedents.

 

[whynot888]

Helloooo, what part of "occupation is not the same as violence" don;t you understand. Violence -> police should get involved. No violence -> negotiation. Noise and traffic problem is not a violence. Smashing windows, cars, setting buildings on fire is violence.

No son, you don't understand, you left out illegal before occupation. When the law is broken the police are involved. My advice, just save yourself the embarrassment and hit the ignore button on me, you can not keep up with me and your not at my level, i've been shredding you left and right like the Ginsu knife, the way you try to justify your fictionous thoughts make Kyleb look like a damn genius.

 

[fall]

No son, you don't understand, you left out illegal before occupation. When the law is broken the police are involved. My advice, just save yourself the embarrassment and hit the ignore button on me, you can not keep up with me and your not at my level, i've been shredding you left and right like the Ginsu knife, the way you try to justify your fictionous thoughts make Kyleb look like a damn genius.

Your are a delusional old man (or, more likely, an brainwashed teenager). Any protest break laws: even when people protest by standing on a sidewalk they prevent others from moving freely through that area, making trouble to others, and, thus, commit a mischief (same as in case of Freedom Convoy). Police should not be involved against non-violent in public space. Yes, there is nothing illegal in involving the police, it simply does not have to be involved and should not be involved.

 

[shakenbake]

Not employment related.

Technically speaking, he WAS working. Being a dumb doofus. The jet flight was necessary travel.

 

[csmitting]

The judge is a former Liberal candidate.

 

[whynot888]

Your are a delusional old man (or, more likely, an brainwashed teenager). Any protest break laws: even when people protest by standing on a sidewalk they prevent others from moving freely through that area, making trouble to others, and, thus, commit a mischief (same as in case of Freedom Convoy). Police should not be involved against non-violent in public space. Yes, there is nothing illegal in involving the police, it simply does not have to be involved and should not be involved.

Ok kids, what did we learn today, its ok to shoplift but a armed robbery is a no no...

 

[mandrill]

In Ontario we have a Common law, so, precedents are important. She has been denied bail fro minor offence and he release presents no danger (she can easily "lead" the protest from inside the jail too if it was an issue, and,again, there was no evidence her actions led to damage of physical property of person), so, the judge's decision goes against existing precedents.

Well, it doesn't. First of all, you haven't read the decision. (Neither have I.) So you don't know what the decision was based upon. But it is doubtful that an experienced bail court judge made an obvious, elementary mistake.

The charges are NOT minor. And no, you can't lead a "protest" from inside a jail.

More to the point, the Crown clearly satisfied the judge of 1 of 3 things: -

1. That there was a significant risk that TL would not show up for trial.
2. That there was a significant risk that she would continue to do the same shit that got her in trouble, were she to be released.
3. That letting her go would be a scandal against the court system and make the justice system look bad. (This one is usually used for severe sex criminals and very violent offenders).

Now the decision was likely ground #2. The judge thought that she was so involved in the "movement" and so heavily connected that she would simply go on doing illegal shit. It may have been a combination of #1 and #2, if the judge thought she could flee to another country.

You don't know the evidence that was called at the hearing and neither do I.

In any event, she has an appeal. So she can try again with a higher court judge and we'll see what happens.

 

[mandrill]

Your are a delusional old man (or, more likely, an brainwashed teenager). Any protest break laws: even when people protest by standing on a sidewalk they prevent others from moving freely through that area, making trouble to others, and, thus, commit a mischief (same as in case of Freedom Convoy). Police should not be involved against non-violent in public space. Yes, there is nothing illegal in involving the police, it simply does not have to be involved and should not be involved.

Sure. Any protest takes up space and we put up with it - for a couple of hours. Not for 3 fucking weeks!

You can't just permanently block roads or other property that is not yours. It's not your property. And simply sitting there and saying "I'm just here and I'm not hurting anyone and I'm nice." is not going to impress anyone. I can be a nice guy and live in your living room for a month. Are you telling me that you can't call the cops and have me turfed?..... Of course you fucking can!

And if the cops have to push and shove me to get me to move my ass out of your living room, that's legal too. It's called "reasonable force". I might even get a rug burn if they have to drag me or a bruise on my arm if they have to yank it behind my back to cuff me. That's "reasonable force" too. It's normal. It happens hundreds of times a day. And you have to be entitled and naive to believe what you just wrote.

 

[Butler1000]

I was going to say basically what Mandril posted here. If these truckers wanted to take to the streets (on foot) and protest at Parliament, I'm all for it. Fill your boots. But, the thought of them rolling the semis back and blocking streets is a non-starter. I don't think Ottawa police would allow it this time around, and there is a really chance of violence. I'm talking tear gas, pepper spray and rubber bullets. Please remember, this veered from a peaceful, legal protest nearly from the get go.

Mandrill is on ignore.

And I agree with you. About protests. But invoking the equivalent of martial law and stating you will continue to use it preemptively is a dangerous precedent.

I'm especially concerned about the unbanking WITHOUT a means of appeal. They shut people down without due process.

For now I'm remaining "concerned" and taking a wait and see. But if they continue it past the 30 day then the Liberals are clearly stating they are too incompetent to handle this. Then encouraging specific activism to force the NDP to abandon support and get a Non Confidence vote will be my focus.

 

[Frankfooter]

Sure. Any protest takes up space and we put up with it - for a couple of hours. Not for 3 fucking weeks!

You can't just permanently block roads or other property that is not yours. It's not your property. And simply sitting there and saying "I'm just here and I'm not hurting anyone and I'm nice." is not going to impress anyone. I can be a nice guy and live in your living room for a month. Are you telling me that you can't call the cops and have me turfed?..... Of course you fucking can!

And if the cops have to push and shove me to get me to move my ass out of your living room, that's legal too. It's called "reasonable force". I might even get a rug burn if they have to drag me or a bruise on my arm if they have to yank it behind my back to cuff me. That's "reasonable force" too. It's normal. It happens hundreds of times a day. And you have to be entitled and naive to believe what you just wrote.

It was an illegal protest.

In Ontario you need to get a permit to protest, or else its illegal.
When you do, cops will come along and if you block traffic they will make you only do it for 2 minutes then let traffic flow.

This one had no permits.

 

[spankingman]

Another organizer was granted bail days earlier, with the same charges as Lich the bitch.

‘Freedom convoy’ organizer Chris Barber to be released on bail | Globalnews.ca

Chris Barber, one of the organizers of the so-called 'freedom convoy' in downtown Ottawa, is set to be released on bail on Friday as police crack down on the blockades.

globalnews.ca

Another one King I think is his name is spending 3 more days in jail as his hearing is Friday. This guys facing 4 charges Cant see him getting bail either.

 

[JohnLarue]

For what, John?

She's charged w a crime under the Criminal Code. She got a bail hearing within the statutory time period with full due process and right to counsel. Her attorney didn't challenge the judge for bias. I'm trying to see the due process infringement here. Let alone the claim for damages.

If you were going to bring a motion for habeas corpus, what would your argument be?.... I'm just interested.

If her lawyer believes that the facts of the case don't fit the section charged under the Criminal Code, surely she can bring a pre trial motion. If you were the attorney, John, what would your argument be and what caselaw and authorities would you rely on?.... I'm just interested.

You will just have to wait and see
Do you honestly think this wont go unchallenged?

 

[Insidious Von]

Habeas Corpus, we don't need no stinkin Habeas Corpus in Russia, Magnistky got no habeas corpus.

Is Putin bankrolled the Ottawa Convoy, it's beginning to look that way. Chris Barber has had enough, he called for the rigs to disperse, he's going home. Pat King and Tamara Lich remain defiant, they are calling on their cadres to stand back and stand ready. That is a very bad situation, if the anarchists attempt to take Wellington St again, there will be blood.

Trump's words gave Sean Hannity headlights, expect Faux News to go Julius Caesar on President Biden.

 

[JohnLarue]

Is Putin bankrolled the Ottawa Convoy, it's beginning to look that way.

What's your proof of that?

Does the Tides Foundation , Serrria Club or WWF fund pipeline protestors,? It certainly looks that way

Chris Barber has had enough, he called for the rigs to disperse, he's going home. Pat King and Tamara Lich remain defiant, they are calling on their cadres to stand back and stand ready. That is a very bad situation, if the anarchists attempt to take Wellington St again, there will be blood.

4 weeks of peaceful protests and now the truckers are going to turn to violence?

"they are calling on their cadres to stand back and stand ready"

Sounds like advise to maintain the peaceful strategy and also a request for support, apparently their bank accounts have been frozen and they might need some cash for their upcoming legal battle.

You could donate to help a fellow Canadians legal battle , however Justin might freeze your account, he would view that as an "unacceptable view" ie not aligned with his view

Here is Justin's take on Canadian Liberty in 2015

 

[Insidious Von]

Johnny LaRue, I don't even know where to begin.

 

[jcpro]

What's your proof of that?

Does the Tides Foundation , Serrria Club or WWF fund pipeline protestors,? It certainly looks that way



4 weeks of peaceful protests and now the truckers are going to turn to violence?

"they are calling on their cadres to stand back and stand ready"

Sounds like advise to maintain the peaceful strategy and also a request for support, apparently their bank accounts have been frozen and they might need some cash for their upcoming legal battle.

You could donate to help a fellow Canadians legal battle , however Justin might freeze your account, he would view that as an "unacceptable view" ie not aligned with his view

Here is Justin's take on Canadian Liberty in 2015

Proof? You are looking for proof in 2022? Putin very naughty man under every bed and in every closet- that's all the proof you need. Criticize Trudeau, you're a racist. Honk your horn you're saluting Hitler, protest peacefully, you're a terrorist. Ask a question, you're an antivaxer who must be cancelled. That's the True North Strong and Free in 2022.

 

[mandrill]

What's your proof of that?

Does the Tides Foundation , Serrria Club or WWF fund pipeline protestors,? It certainly looks that way

4 weeks of peaceful protests and now the truckers are going to turn to violence?

"they are calling on their cadres to stand back and stand ready"

Sounds like advise to maintain the peaceful strategy and also a request for support, apparently their bank accounts have been frozen and they might need some cash for their upcoming legal battle.

You could donate to help a fellow Canadians legal battle , however Justin might freeze your account, he would view that as an "unacceptable view" ie not aligned with his view

Here is Justin's take on Canadian Liberty in 2015

But they can't stay and block roads and an entire downtown core. It's like the analogy I used with one of your buddies. I can't move into your living room and sit on your couch for 3 weeks and say "But I didn't punch you, so you can't get rid of me."

"They're not violent" is the biggest red herring in this whole pile of shit.

 

[JohnLarue]

But they can't stay and block roads and an entire downtown core. It's like the analogy I used with one of your buddies. I can't move into your living room and sit on your couch for 3 weeks and say "But I didn't punch you, so you can't get rid of me."

"They're not violent" is the biggest red herring in this whole pile of shit.

My living room is not a public street

"They're not violent" is the biggest red herring in this whole pile of shit.

It is a undeniably sound strategy as it has got you and the moron Justin thoroughly frustrated, and not thinking clearly
It is a damn shame BLM did not follow the same strategy, - $2 Billion US in property damage