T.O. at it again .....

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Ho hum, I love it!!! 'Girls are in turmoil, TO is accusing Romo & Whiten of having "private meetings" to draw up "private plays", the coach denies knowing anything about it...... just your normal stuff for JJ's crew ........ :D

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3763209

Friction Between T.O. And Romo?

According to multiple sources within the Dallas Cowboys, there is an emerging internal conflict involving three of the team's highest-profile stars.

As the preseason Super Bowl favorites struggle in the final month of the season to simply make the playoffs, wide receiver Terrell Owens has expressed resentment toward Tony Romo, apparently jealous of the quarterback's relationship with tight end Jason Witten.

Owens feels that Romo and Witten -- close friends and road roommates who came to Dallas in the same offseason -- hold private meetings in which they create plays the two will use in upcoming games without including Owens in the conversations, according to a source who speaks regularly with Owens' teammates. Owens believes these discussions have worked to his detriment as Romo seeks to deliver the ball to Witten regardless of whether Owens is open.

"I don't know anything about that," Wade Phillips said when asked about a possible rift at his news conference on Thursday.

"We've thrown for a lot of yards with a lot of players. One receiver is pretty close to 1,000 yards. ... There's no favoritism there, we are going to the guy that is going to be open."

Owens declined to discuss the situation on Thursday outside the Cowboys' locker room. As he walked toward the players' lounge at Valley Ranch, ESPN asked Owens if he would answer questions and he said, "Nope.''

Linebacker Bradie James acknowledged to ESPN that his status as one of the team captains has caused him to play a peacemaker role between Romo and Owens.

"Whenever the fire gets blazing, I know,'' James said. "Sometimes, I don't want to step on anybody's toes, but we all talk.

"It just is what it is ... It's just two different guys, two different personalities and they know what's at stake. They know that everybody needs them. And there's no dislike. It's just sometimes, not everybody is going to see eye to eye. That's what makes a football team.''

A current Cowboys player compared Owens' behavior to that which led to problems with his former quarterbacks, Jeff Garcia in San Francisco and Donovan McNabb in Philadelphia. Those failed relationships and problems with the head coaches and other teammates led to Owens' exile from those teams and made him available to Dallas owner Jerry Jones in 2006.

"He's insecure about it,'' the player said of Owens. "The thing that bothers me more than anything about this problem is that it's always something with him -- San Fran, Philly and here, always something. And he brings other people into it. You know, he talks to Sam Hurd and Roy Williams, who just got here and doesn't really know these guys. T.O. talks to him and so now he probably thinks Witten politics with Tony for the ball.

"That's so far from the truth. You think Tony is throwing to him because that's his buddy? His best buddy is Bobby Carpenter, and that's not helping him too much. It's crazy to think that, and I hate that he acts that way.''

Witten leads the Cowboys with 64 receptions to 55 for Owens, who has a team-high 848 receiving yards and nine touchdowns. According to one of the sources, Owens cannot fathom how Romo and offensive coordinator Jason Garrett justify the tight end having more catches than Owens even though the latter ranks among the most accomplished receivers in NFL history.

There has so far been no known confrontation between Romo and Owens, who have combined for 33 touchdowns since 2006, the most of any quarterback-receiver tandem in the NFL during that time. Romo has always been careful to make certain Owens felt appreciated so that he would compete hard and not cause the kind of upheaval he did with his previous teams.

But one teammate suggested Romo is frustrated enough that he might initiate a different approach, although not the confrontational kind that some believe might solve the problem.

"To be completely honest, I just think Tony is over it, not like, 'Screw it.' But I think Tony is over the mind games,'' the player said. "It would help if Tony would stand up to him, but he would never do it. He does a great job of ignoring it and not letting it affect him, and that's why it has worked as good as it has. It's just hard. I think right now everybody is to the point where, 'We're going to need him, so let's not piss him off.'"

But Owens seems to be finding it increasingly difficult to conceal his irritation. Last week in Pittsburgh, on the first possession of the Cowboys' most important game of the season, a team source who reviewed the game tape said Romo threw an interception when Owens mysteriously failed to complete his route. Troy Polamalu intercepted the ball at the place where Romo expected Owens to be. Later in the half, Romo underthrew a pass for Owens that was intercepted by Ike Taylor and Owens gestured openly in Romo's direction as he walked toward the sideline that the ball should have been thrown further upfield.

But what upset Owens' teammates most of all was his response to the interception Romo threw on a pass intended for Witten that Deshea Townsend returned for the game-winning touchdown in a 20-13 defeat. Both the quarterback and tight end publicly accepted blame for the Cowboys' season-high fifth turnover. In contrast, Owens said the offense stunk, that the team can't win with turnovers like those and then suggested his defender was playing off in single coverage and that he was open but Romo decided to throw elsewhere on the fatal play.

On the sideline, Owens was seen yelling at a Cowboys assistant coach. In his news conference after the game, Owens implied that Romo's decision to throw to Witten was the wrong one, saying, "It's his job to go out there and assess what the defense is, and he made that decision.''

That incensed some Cowboys, one of whom said, "If you only knew all that guy does. It's gonna go down with him before it's all over with. He is unbelievable. Tough loss and he does that?''

Until then, Cowboys insiders considered Owens' most damaging behavior the interview he did with former Cowboys cornerback Deion Sanders on the NFL Network in which he suggested Dallas' offensive system under Garrett was responsible for his worst statistical season since his rookie year with the 49ers. Owens also hinted that Romo and the other Dallas quarterbacks who played when the starter was injured were not making getting him the ball a high enough priority. "I can't throw it and catch it,'' Owens said.

At least one prominent Cowboys player was displeased that the coaching staff responded to the criticism by seemingly placating Owens in that Sunday's game against San Francisco, allowing him enough opportunities that he posted his best statistical line as a Cowboy: seven catches for 213 yards, including a 75-yard TD.

"Well, T.O. got his way,'' the player said. "It never fails how we operate around here. Drives me crazy, but what can you do?''

Phillips justified Owens' argument by agreeing that getting him the ball needed to be the first offensive priority, and then owner Jerry Jones further empowered him by claiming he had no issue with anything Owens said in the interview.

Said another source: "What do you think he said after he complained about not getting the ball and then in the San Francisco game he gets 213? He said, 'Look. It works. The more hell I raise, the more I get what I want.'"

Owens in March signed a four-year contract extension worth $34 million, including a $12.9 million signing bonus to bind him to the Cowboys through the 2011 season.

When asked if Romo and Owens were all right together as the team prepares to play the defending Super Bowl champion New York Giants on Sunday, James said, "Yeah. It's gotta be. It better be.''

The latest controversy comes toward the end of a season that began with Owens saying in training camp that he shared a relationship with Romo that he never had with other quarterbacks with whom he played. That, Owens said, was because Romo knew he was the star of the Cowboys and was not threatened by Owens' status as were previous quarterbacks.

"I guess sometimes I've just been in situations where the quarterbacks felt like I was bigger than them,'' Owens said in July. "And, you know, that was never the case. I felt like whatever I did complemented the quarterback, whatever he did, vice versa. It's just been a situation where things happen, where things didn't work out.''

Romo seemed equally at peace with Owens. "The thing about it is there's a genuine caring about each other. I actually want the guy to succeed. He works hard, he works his butt off. And he cares about the guys, so it's easy to root for a guy like that.

"It's important for us to be on the same page. It's important for us to care about the other one, just because our success is directly related. ... The thing you notice mostly about him is that he talks about 'team' a lot. He wants to win. He understands that, at this stage of his career, he's done all the things individually he can do. Now, it's just a matter of winning.''

Whether it is like that anymore -- and whether the Cowboys can achieve their own stated goals with the relationship between Owens and Romo and Witten being what it is now -- remains to be determined.

Since Romo became Dallas' starter, he has completed more passes to Witten than to Owens, 201-186, although Owens has significantly more yards and three times as many touchdowns.
 
Awesome!!

I truely love it when the cowboys emplode from within the team near the end of the season

I was wondering though why T.O is so fast?, maybe that has to do with the fact he has experience running from the cops lol.. my bad :P
 
TO is TO

Kinda like "Manny being Manny". If these guys weren't "That damn good" no one would put up with their crap. But they are, so someone will.

The fact it's the Cowgirls makes it better though. Love to see them implode every year.
 
I tried to post the original Ed Werder report early yesterday but it was too long (over 10,000 characters) and I was in no mood to edit and/or post without comments. Frankly the drama that surrounds Terrell Owens bores me and is too predictable, yet fascinating - like a car wreck.

That being said, does anyone else think that he suffers from severe psychological issues? He's paranoid, has a pathological need to play the victim, lashes out at his teammates / allies and demands to be the centre of attention (and the team's offence) at all times. This doesn't even take into account his "suicide attempt" or teary press conferences. I understand that he's a diva, but there has to be more to it. The guy is a walking, talking train wreck. And pure comedy gold.

The problem is, he plays a team sport, perhaps the ultimate team sport, and his behaviour affects the other 52 guys on the roster, plus the coaches, practice squad and management. Given his track record of imploding after 2-3 years, how any team signs him for more than one year at a time is beyond me.

All I know is that there will be a lot of journalists and media types that will be very sad when he retires. For them, T.O. is a cottage industry unto himself...
 
Heard a report on ESPN radio that a majority of the "Girl's defense is on his side, that he has turned them against Whiten. He seems to be fracturing the team in much the same way he did to Philly ..... love it!
 
TO hasn't changed at all...everything is great with T.O. as long as it is going his way... I can't tell you how happy I was when T.O. landed in Dallas. It couldn't happen to a better team!!!
 
jake_cdn said:
The problem is his destruction in the locker room over shadows that talent.
The problem in the NFL is that if the Cowboys release him there will be another team waiting in the wings to pick him up.
the problem is and always has been Jerry Jones.
That's a lot of problems but which one is the problem.
 
Jerry Jones. He take a chance on players known to rock the boat. And he has a soft head coach on top of it.
 
Aside from his supposed botched suicide....

ckupets04 said:
runnnig from the cops?

when has T.O been in trouble with the law?

...never, but why let something like the truth get in the way of a smart aleck remark for cheap laughs....
 
My thoughts...

Captain Fantastic said:
That being said, does anyone else think that he suffers from severe psychological issues? He's paranoid, has a pathological need to play the victim, lashes out at his teammates / allies and demands to be the centre of attention (and the team's offence) at all times. This doesn't even take into account his "suicide attempt" or teary press conferences. I understand that he's a diva, but there has to be more to it. The guy is a walking, talking train wreck. And pure comedy gold.

I honestly believe he does. The pattern repeats everywhere he goes. And it is the SAME pattern...and it flies in the face of the facts. No one gets the ball thrown to them MORE than T.O....and he HAS done well with the Cowboys...but whenever he is in a situation where he feels the team is not doing as well as it could (I give him credit for this - he wants to win...he cares...a lot of players don't...) he somehow feels HE is the solution to the problem, and HE is under appreciated when everyone doesn't turn to him and say "yes T.O., save us".

Captain Fantastic said:
The problem is, he plays a team sport, perhaps the ultimate team sport, and his behaviour affects the other 52 guys on the roster, plus the coaches, practice squad and management. Given his track record of imploding after 2-3 years, how any team signs him for more than one year at a time is beyond me.

This is the problem. He is a cancer. He is a hell of a player...and a cancer. The Cowboys just gave him a new contract in march...13 mil guaranteed, 30mil+ total...signed thru 2011. So...it ain't gonna get better anytime soon, unless the 'Boys go on a winning streak that goes right thru receiving the Lombadi trophy.

It is hard to believe teams still take a chance on him...but he is an amazing talent. You ever look at his career stats? A sure HOF player...I guess you just take your chances, because talent like that doesn't come along every day.
 
What's amazing about T.O. is that he usually gets the majority of the locker room to side with him in these stupid and petty disputes. He must be amazingly charismatic and plays on his teammates' fears, jealousy and insecurities. It happened in San Francisco (where he turned the team against Mariucci and Garcia), Philadelphia (where the team was jealous over Donovan McNabb's huge contract and "company man" image and easily swayed by T.O.'s braying) and it's happening in Dallas. He could probably be a divide-and-conquer Republican politician when his career is over! :)

I agree that he's talented, but he's also a bit of a coward - teams that beat him up on the line within the five yard zone and after he makes the catch take him out of the game. I've also seen him give up on numerous passes when he knew he was going to get hit and he simply drops too many passes to be counted on, which is why Romo probably does go to Witten on 3rd downs more often. That's why his career is significantly diminished in my eyes.

Keep in mind, numbers aren't everything - the run and shoot and the pass-happy (thanks to tougher pass interference rules and a complete switch in offensive philosophy) 1990s and 2000s has shown that.

T.O.'s a HoFer (hell, Art Monk is apparently a HoFer), but not in the conversation for all-time great, IMO.
 
Captain Fantastic said:
What's amazing about T.O. is that he usually gets the majority of the locker room to side with him in these stupid and petty disputes. He must be amazingly charismatic and plays on his teammates' fears, jealousy and insecurities. It happened in San Francisco (where he turned the team against Mariucci and Garcia), Philadelphia (where the team was jealous over Donovan McNabb's huge contract and "company man" image and easily swayed by T.O.'s braying) and it's happening in Dallas. He could probably be a divide-and-conquer Republican politician when his career is over! :)

I agree that he's talented, but he's also a bit of a coward - teams that beat him up on the line within the five yard zone and after he makes the catch take him out of the game. I've also seen him give up on numerous passes when he knew he was going to get hit and he simply drops too many passes to be counted on, which is why Romo probably does go to Witten on 3rd downs more often. That's why his career is significantly diminished in my eyes.

Keep in mind, numbers aren't everything - the run and shoot and the pass-happy (thanks to tougher pass interference rules and a complete switch in offensive philosophy) 1990s and 2000s has shown that.

T.O.'s a HoFer (hell, Art Monk is apparently a HoFer), but not in the conversation for all-time great, IMO.

T.O last year had many drops, though he also had a finger injury too so we gotta take that into consideration. I am not sure how many drops he has so far this season but last year he had plenty. His hands are no where near as good as those of Randy Moss. Last year, teams were playing off him and giving him a cushion so he got a free release and CBs were not disrupting the timing between Romo and T.O. The problem is this year T.O has seen a lot more press-coverage so he is not getting a free release and therefore he is being re-routed and it takes more time for him to get open this year than in the past. In fairness to T.O, I think Jason Garret needs to make sure that Romo has changed his read-progression accordingly to give T.O the time to beat the press.. Also, lets face it T.O is not a spring chicken anymore and maybe defenses are not afraid of getting beat deep so they are more willing to play press-coverage instead of playing off. I think it would be inaccurate to say that press-coverage or bump-and-run negates T.O's effectiveness, maybe that is the case this year but I clearly remember watching a Packers/Cowboys game last year where T.O just torched Al Harris. And Al Harris is one of the better corners in the league and he almost exclusively plays bump-and-run or press-coverage. One thing I will say about T.O is that he is a willing blocker and he is very good at blocking and is one of the better blocking wide receivers in the league. I would say Hines Ward though is the best blocking receiver in the league.
 
ckupets04 said:
T.O last year had many drops, though he also had a finger injury too so we gotta take that into consideration. I am not sure how many drops he has so far this season but last year he had plenty. His hands are no where near as good as those of Randy Moss. Last year, teams were playing off him and giving him a cushion so he got a free release and CBs were not disrupting the timing between Romo and T.O. The problem is this year T.O has seen a lot more press-coverage so he is not getting a free release and therefore he is being re-routed and it takes more time for him to get open this year than in the past. In fairness to T.O, I think Jason Garret needs to make sure that Romo has changed his read-progression accordingly to give T.O the time to beat the press.. Also, lets face it T.O is not a spring chicken anymore and maybe defenses are not afraid of getting beat deep so they are more willing to play press-coverage instead of playing off. I think it would be inaccurate to say that press-coverage or bump-and-run negates T.O's effectiveness, maybe that is the case this year but I clearly remember watching a Packers/Cowboys game last year where T.O just torched Al Harris. And Al Harris is one of the better corners in the league and he almost exclusively plays bump-and-run or press-coverage. One thing I will say about T.O is that he is a willing blocker and he is very good at blocking and is one of the better blocking wide receivers in the league. I would say Hines Ward though is the best blocking receiver in the league.
Drops and "alligator arms" have always been an issue with T.O. (along with his destruction of good teams, coaches and quarterbacks.)

As far as Romo and the read-progression, the issue is threefold:
  1. The Cowboys O-Line is just not getting the job done consistently this year.
  2. Owens isn't getting separation from the coverage the way he used to - he's lost a step or two.
  3. Romo has regressed a bit this year - Parcells and Sparano apparently really were a good influence on him.
And there isn't a lot Garrett can do about that.

The problem with press or bump-and-run coverage is that you need to have a tough, ultra-fast, elite corner (and there are very few of those in the NFL) to pull it off or you have to roll a safety over to Owens' side of the field, leaving other space open - often the same space that Witten exploits.

I agree that Owens is a good blocker - when he wants to be. The effort isn't always there, especially when he's being physically challenged or if he thinks he isn't seeing the ball enough.
 
Captain Fantastic said:
Drops and "alligator arms" have always been an issue with T.O. (along with his destruction of good teams, coaches and quarterbacks.)

As far as Romo and the read-progression, the issue is threefold:
  1. The Cowboys O-Line is just not getting the job done consistently this year.
  2. Owens isn't getting separation from the coverage the way he used to.
  3. Romo has regressed a bit this year - Parcells and Sparano apparently really were a good influence on him.
And there isn't a lot Garrett can do about that.

The problem with press or bump-and-run coverage is that you need to have a tough, ultra-fast, elite corner (and there are very few of those in the NFL) to pull it off or you have to roll a safety over to Owens' side of the field, leaving other space open - often the same space that Witten exploits.

I agree that Owens is a good blocker - when he wants to be. The effort isn't always there, especially when he's being physically challenged or if he thinks he isn't seeing the ball enough.

I agree 100% on the effort not always being there, last week one of Romo's INTs was a result of Owens not running his route.

I think one of the reasons that T.O hasnt been able to create seperation from the CBs he's gone up against is that he is seeing a lot more press-coverage this season, so it requires more time for him to uncover.

And your definitely right, pass-pro is the pre-requisite to accomplishing anything in the passing game.

Speaking of press-coverage, why in the world did Mike Mcarthy move Charles Woodson to safety? I dont like that move at all.

Some may think I"m a fool for making this prediction but I like Houston to beat Tennessee on Sunday. It amazes me how much pressure Mario Williams is able to get on opposing QBs given the fact that Houston has not played with the lead that much this season. He could easily have 5 more sacks if he was on winning-team (or a team that played with lead more often). I stated on another football thread a few weeks ago that I think Houston could be a legit playoff-contender next season. Not a SB contender just a playoff contender meaning they would either sneak into the playoffs or at the very least be in the hunt for a wildcard. Difficult division though. You'd have to figure JAX will bounce back next season. A lot of their problems this season have been due to injuries on the O-line, the secondary as well as their receivers not being able to create seperation. And Garrard has not done as good a job of taking care of the ball but I think that goes back to pass-pro and the O-line injuries.
 
and definitely drops would be one of my criticisms of T.O as well, he is great at getting yards after the catch, hes an excellent blocker, and he can break tackles and make big plays but the drops sure hurt. If I could have the hands of any receiver in the league I'd take Randy Moss's hands or LArry Firtzgerald's hands.
 
I had edited my post, but I will repeat here: T.O. has lost a step or two as well, which is why he's having a tougher time getting separation.

At the end of the day, unless you have a super strong locker room, coaching staff and ownership/management and a "non-disruption" clause in his contract (or a way to get out of paying him money long-term), it's simply not worth the risk having T.O. on your team, no matter what skillset (and I admit, he's great when he just plays the game) Terrell Owens brings to the table.


PS - I agree that Mario Williams is a beast - he's everything Julius Peppers has been hyped up to be but can't pull of consistently. All the naysayers that lambasted Houston for picking Williams over Reggie Bush and Vince Young should line up and apologize to Charlie Casserly, who lost his job partly because of that very pick (among other things, of course) even though it was the right move.
 
Captain Fantastic said:
I had edited my post, but I will repeat here: T.O. has lost a step or two as well, which is why he's having a tougher time getting separation.

At the end of the day, unless you have a super strong locker room, coaching staff and ownership/management and a "non-disruption" clause in his contract (or a way to get out of paying him money long-term), it's simply not worth the risk having T.O. on your team, no matter what skillset (and I admit, he's great when he just plays the game) Terrell Owens brings to the table.


PS - I agree that Mario Williams is a beast - he's everything Julius Peppers has been hyped up to be but can't pull of consistently. All the naysayers that lambasted Houston for picking Williams over Reggie Bush and Vince Young should line up and apologize to Charlie Casserly, who lost his job partly because of that very pick (among other things, of course) even though it was the right move.

Re: Super Mario
that was definitely the right pick for an assortment of reasons. I liked the pick when Casserly made that move and I think some of the naysayers were failing to consider that at the time the pick was made it looked like the Colts were gonna dominate the divison for years to come (though now it looks like they have some company with the Titans). In any event, if your playing in a division with Peyton Manning you have to have a premier pass-rusher on your team to have any chance. Also, as we see now, Reggie is NOT a back that will run between the tackles he's more apt to bounce it outside and he is essentially a specialty player, line him up in the slot, out-wide, pass the ball to him out of the backfield and he is a very good threat in the return game where he can use his speed and agility in the open field. And as for VY, well we all know how he has unfolded so far.
 
This is not going to end well for the Cowboys and their fans.

Source: T.O., Witten had to be separated

Chris Mortensen, ESPN.com news services

While the Dallas Cowboys were trying to downplay a possible rift between Terrell Owens and Jason Witten, the two nearly came to blows on Friday, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram first reported Saturday.

ESPN's Chris Mortensen, according to team sources, confirmed an incident occurred at the Cowboys training facility when Witten tried to engage Owens in a conversation about a pass route. Owens told Witten to stay away from him and called him a name. The two exchanged words before being separated.

Both players acted as if everything was fine when the media was allowed in the locker room, according to the Star-Telegram. But Owens was still upset.

The confrontation came a day after a source told ESPN that Owens believes Romo and Witten -- close friends and road roommates -- hold private meetings and create plays without including Owens.

Cowboys coach Wade Phillips held a team meeting on Friday to clear the air about the report. Afterward, he said any personality conflicts had been resolved.

"Everything is set straight as far as I'm concerned," he told The Associated Press. "I think the players, too. We'll see."

The Cowboys play host to the NFC East leading New York Giants on Sunday night.

Chris Mortensen is a senior NFL analyst for ESPN.
 
ckupets04 said:
Re: Super Mario
that was definitely the right pick for an assortment of reasons. I liked the pick when Casserly made that move and I think some of the naysayers were failing to consider that at the time the pick was made it looked like the Colts were gonna dominate the divison for years to come (though now it looks like they have some company with the Titans). In any event, if your playing in a division with Peyton Manning you have to have a premier pass-rusher on your team to have any chance. Also, as we see now, Reggie is NOT a back that will run between the tackles he's more apt to bounce it outside and he is essentially a specialty player, line him up in the slot, out-wide, pass the ball to him out of the backfield and he is a very good threat in the return game where he can use his speed and agility in the open field. And as for VY, well we all know how he has unfolded so far.
I agree. Unless the quarterback is a true franchise-type with no red flags, then I would always go with a qualified, high-end offensive or defensive lineman with a top draft pick.

Sexy doesn't win NFL championships - dominating and rugged line play does.