Student injured by teacher with gun

[oldjones]

Maybe the alleged "high level" of police training, isn't so high after all. Remember this guy?

https://youtu.be/am-Qdx6vky0

So one has to wonder why aren't you here arguing against all these poorly trained cops, worse-trained teachers and entirely untrained ordinary citizens being left with the responsibility for protecting us from deranged killers? When it seems you think that's a job for highly-trained, well-equipped expert professionals.

What are you for? Besides no one telling you what do with your guns.

 

[SuperCharge]

5th bomb attack in Texas...

ANOTHER bomb?!! This one at FedEx!

When will Congress pass responsible bomb laws?!!

We need school walkouts! We need CNN Town Halls!

BAN BOMBS NOW!!!
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[basketcase]

Maybe the alleged "high level" of police training, isn't so high after all. Remember this guy?

https://youtu.be/am-Qdx6vky0

And what makes you think armed teachers will be at a higher level? The guy in question is exactly the type of person the NRA wants in classes.


By the way, the only "hit piece" is the idiot who pulled out his piece in class, hit the ceiling, and injured a kid.

 

[basketcase]

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When will Congress pass responsible bomb laws?!!

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Despite you intent, you actually make a very good analogy. Explosives are extremely dangerous and are therefore subject to significant controls. The main difference is there is no bomb lobby trying to claim the problem is video games.

 

[cunning linguist]

So one has to wonder why aren't you here arguing against all these poorly trained cops, worse-trained teachers and entirely untrained ordinary citizens being left with the responsibility for protecting us from deranged killers? When it seems you think that's a job for highly-trained, well-equipped expert professionals.

What are you for? Besides no one telling you what do with your guns.

What makes you automatically think that the ordinary citizenry is "entirely untrained"? People have the responsibility to take care of themselves, forfeit yours if you wish, that's well within your right, but you shouldn't be able to speak for anyone but yourself.

I don't advocate turning teachers into defenders, especially if the individual doesn't wish to be one. But those who are already trained and responsible, let them carry and I'm not limiting discussion to just schools.

 

[cunning linguist]

And what makes you think armed teachers will be at a higher level? The guy in question is exactly the type of person the NRA wants in classes.


By the way, the only "hit piece" is the idiot who pulled out his piece in class, hit the ceiling, and injured a kid.

Go to a range some time and watch how cops tend to get their asses handed to them by weekend warriors. Look at all the counterintuitive aspects of LE firearms handling procedures and practices, then notice how they're above many of the laws they're sworn to enforce.

There's a difference between self-improvement and excellence derived from genuine interest and meeting the minimum for a job requirement and it shows.

 

[SuperCharge]

Despite you intent, you actually make a very good analogy. Explosives are extremely dangerous and are therefore subject to significant controls. The main difference is there is no bomb lobby trying to claim the problem is video games.

Despite the obvious point you missed, the fact is, criminals care not what laws you put in place. You think if you put a sign that says 'bomb free zone' that would deter a nutcase intent on killing from using a bomb? Come on.

Firearms save lives. Far more than are killed. Like today for example.

Today a gun prevented mass murder. Today a gun prevented another Columbine, Sandy Hook, or Parkland
Armed guard (school resource officer) engages shooter, shooter dies on the spot, mass shooting prevented.

FunFact
(In Maryland you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun. The school shooter was 17. Killers don't follow the law)
http://lawcenter.giffords.org/minimum-age-to-purchase-possess-in-maryland/


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[oldjones]

5th bomb attack in Texas...

ANOTHER bomb?!! This one at FedEx!

When will Congress pass responsible bomb laws?!!

We need school walkouts! We need CNN Town Halls!

BAN BOMBS NOW!!!
​

Done and dusted; it's just one of the many reasons why bomb deaths are so rare — and make headlines — compared to gun deaths that don't even make the news.

 

[oldjones]

What makes you automatically think that the ordinary citizenry is "entirely untrained"? People have the responsibility to take care of themselves, forfeit yours if you wish, that's well within your right, but you shouldn't be able to speak for anyone but yourself.

I don't advocate turning teachers into defenders, especially if the individual doesn't wish to be one. But those who are already trained and responsible, let them carry and I'm not limiting discussion to just schools.

Not that any of that speaks to your fallacious point about cops. Because they are "ordinary" citizens, they are untrained by definition. It's for NRA-type folks to detail the extraordinary citizenship that goes along with bearing those arms.

We have yet to hear how you would propose to ensure that we know all lawful gun-toters are "…already trained and responsible", since you tell us so many cops aren't even up to whatever that standard might be. But at least they mostly wear distinctive uniforms and carry openly.

 

[john.who.lee]

i propose to arm all the veiled people.. NO PICTURE REQUIRED... JUST TAKE A GUN !
oh, wait... it is already DONE , HERE IN CANADA !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn2Hn85zMag

you can pick your religion ... then the gun. hack - if we are here - YOU CAN PICK YOUR SEX TOO... NO ?

it is as easy as the OHIP card ... wait ... that one requires a photo... the doc must know who the hack you are )

 

[SuperCharge]

Done and dusted; it's just one of the many reasons why bomb deaths are so rare — and make headlines — compared to gun deaths that don't even make the news.

You must have missed this post.

Today a gun prevented mass murder. Today a gun prevented another Columbine, Sandy Hook, or Parkland
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Armed guard (school resource officer) engages shooter, shooter dies on the spot, mass shooting prevented.

FunFact
(In Maryland you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun. The school shooter was 17. Killers don't follow the law)​

http://lawcenter.giffords.org/minimu...s-in-maryland/

Here's another funfact: This story was glossed over by the msm because it's doesn't fit their gun-grabbing narrative.

Yesterday, a good guy with a gun, stopped a bad guy with a gun & saved countless lives.

That is all.

 

[bver_hunter]

The gun laws in the USA are a mess. That is why the USA has the highest massacres of school children and staff in schools among the first world nations. no accepting that fact is living in denial, as if arming teachers, staff etc. is the only solution to this horrible crisis.

 

[Bud Plug]

All guns are dangerous all the time. Every gun is loaded, until you know it is not loaded, but it is still dangerous even then.

Guns are dangerous. Just not as dangerous as the things they protect you from.

 

[SuperCharge]

The gun laws in the USA are a mess. That is why the USA has the highest massacres of school children and staff in schools among the first world nations. no accepting that fact is living in denial, as if arming teachers, staff etc. is the only solution to this horrible crisis.

It's called societal decay, has nothing to do with firearms.

Listen to Mr. Henderson Ong speaking at the gun violence prevention hearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUi6LOl49s4

 

[oldjones]

Guns are dangerous. Just not as dangerous as the things they protect you from.

Dangerous? Like the unarmed student victims in school shootings? Or the unarmed minority citizens cunninglinguists badly trained cops gun down? I won't ask how guns are protecting us from the dangerous whacko in the White House, but we know hoow Oswald and Ruby 'protected' America.

If only the kid who was shot had a gun to protect himself from his teacher — and thought like you — he wouldn't have been injured by that gun.

The headline woulda been different though.

 

[Bud Plug]

Dangerous? Like the unarmed student victims in school shootings? Or the unarmed minority citizens cunninglinguists badly trained cops gun down? I won't ask how guns are protecting us from the dangerous whacko in the White House, but we know hoow Oswald and Ruby 'protected' America.

If only the kid who was shot had a gun to protect himself from his teacher, he wouldn't have been injured by that gun.

The headline woulda been different though.

There is no doubt that guns have been misused and abused on a number of occasions. Those are the occasions the media covers lavishly. They tend not to cover instances where no one was shot because a gun successfully prevented an attack/rape/robbery, or where an attacker is shot in circumstances in which the shooter acted in clear self defence. The stats about such "non-shootings" and justifiable defensive shootings are slow to be compiled, and don't fit the narrative that's selling newspapers and television ads these days.

Finally, yes, guns could (as a last resort) be used to deal with a truly tyrannical occupant of the White House. Fortunately, there has yet to be such an occupant.

 

[bver_hunter]

It's called societal decay, has nothing to do with firearms.

Listen to Mr. Henderson Ong speaking at the gun violence prevention hearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUi6LOl49s4

Again we cannot deny the real facts about gun laws:
Most other advanced nations apparently think so, since they make it far harder for someone like the Charleston killer to get his hands on a Glock semiautomatic handgun or any other kind of firearm (universal background checks are common features of gun regulation in other developed countries).

Germany: To buy a gun, anyone under the age of 25 has to pass a psychiatric evaluation (presumably 21-year-old Dylann Roof would have failed).
Finland: Handgun license applicants are only allowed to purchase firearms if they can prove they are active members of regulated shooting clubs. Before they can get a gun, applicants must pass an aptitude test, submit to a police interview, and show they have a proper gun storage unit.
Italy: To secure a gun permit, one must establish a genuine reason to possess a firearm and pass a background check considering both criminal and mental health records (again, presumably Dylann Roof would have failed).
France: Firearms applicants must have no criminal record and pass a background check that considers the reason for the gun purchase and evaluates the criminal, mental, and health records of the applicant. (Dylann Roof would presumably have failed in this process).
United Kingdom and Japan: Handguns are illegal for private citizens.
While mass shootings as well as gun homicides and suicides are not unknown in these countries, the overall rates are substantially higher in the United States than in these competitor nations.

While NRA supporters frequently challenge me on these statistics saying that this is only because “American blacks are so violent,” it is important to note that white murder rates in the US are well over twice as high as the murder rates in any of these other countries.

http://theconversation.com/how-us-gun-control-compares-to-the-rest-of-the-world-43590

I know this article is from 2015, but the statistics for the USA have got even worse.
Australia hasn’t had a mass shooting since 1996

 

[SuperCharge]

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Without getting into the whole gun debate, which I really don't want to do and/or what other countries laws are and or what method of weapon they choose to kill someone is, but, yesterday a 17 year old kid in Maryland had a gun and planned to use it in a school where there are thousands of kids. In Maryland you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun. A good guy with a gun STOPPED that from happening. Killers don't follow the law

http://lawcenter.giffords.org/minimu...s-in-maryland/​

 

[bver_hunter]

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Without getting into the whole gun debate, which I really don't want to do and/or what other countries laws are and or what method of weapon they choose to kill someone is, but, yesterday a 17 year old kid in Maryland had a gun and planned to use it in a school where there are thousands of kids. In Maryland you have to be 21 to purchase a handgun. A good guy with a gun STOPPED that from happening. Killers don't follow the law

http://lawcenter.giffords.org/minimu...s-in-maryland/​

Well, we have to get to the root of the problem. That points to too many guns in the hands of the wrong people. So unless this is addressed there will be no end to this situation. There were still victims before the intervention by armed staff, and even one victim is one too many. The States are not closed borders where the law enforcement is patrolling, so the transfer of weapons between the various states is not a problem irrespective of the various local gun control laws. There has to be a much stricter Federal Law to overrule all the local laws that only favours the NRA's interests.

 

[cunning linguist]

Not that any of that speaks to your fallacious point about cops. Because they are "ordinary" citizens, they are untrained by definition. It's for NRA-type folks to detail the extraordinary citizenship that goes along with bearing those arms.

We have yet to hear how you would propose to ensure that we know all lawful gun-toters are "…already trained and responsible", since you tell us so many cops aren't even up to whatever that standard might be. But at least they mostly wear distinctive uniforms and carry openly.

There are no guarantees, just like there are no guarantees that cops will arrive in time and act competently enough when you require immediate assistance.

As for carrying openly, something tells me you'd be against that too. I propose that carrying a firearm discretely is the compromise; someone isn't denied the ability to protect themselves and you don't have to manufacture outrage when you see an armed civilian.

Or were you thinking more along the lines of this for identification?

http://jpfo.org/images02/gunownersticker.jpg