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wovengrain911

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i am stuck in this addiction loop where i am used to watching porn, i spent qutie a bit of money seeing escorts.
i never have had any girlfriend.

even right now, i went 8 months without seeing an escort.
what's stopping me right now is the conseuqneces for escort (it's bank account).

have sought therapy, doing group therapy. how do i overcome this addiction?
i don't want to be part of this life.. but this is all i have known.
there is no match no nothing on tinder...
 

Mr Deeds

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First thing to do is get off this board. Second thing to do is to find something to replace your addiction maybe go to the gym take karate lessons he'll take dance lessons. Replacing an addiction with something else is the best way I've found to Beat It
 

xix

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First thing to do is get off this board. Second thing to do is to find something to replace your addiction maybe go to the gym take karate lessons he'll take dance lessons. Replacing an addiction with something else is the best way I've found to Beat It
How long in time will that last before a person cracks and goes back to the same cycle?

12 step program.
weekend workshops
Take accountability and accept your issues, respect your decision, forgive yourself and find ways to fix it instead of validating the ego.
 
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S416905

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i am stuck in this addiction loop where i am used to watching porn, i spent qutie a bit of money seeing escorts.
i never have had any girlfriend.

even right now, i went 8 months without seeing an escort.
what's stopping me right now is the conseuqneces for escort (it's bank account).

have sought therapy, doing group therapy. how do i overcome this addiction?
i don't want to be part of this life.. but this is all i have known.
there is no match no nothing on tinder...
We are all sex addicts.
 

shadeau

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Wovengrain, I’m not sure that framing your situation as “addiction" is helpful. You are young (I assume) so your obsessive interest in sex is completely natural, not an "addiction”. If you’ve been unable (for whatever reason) to find a girlfriend, then having an outlet for your natural sexual urges is sensible and healthy.

Since you’ve never had a girlfriend, let me tell you, they cost money. Yeah, they don’t ask for money upfront before sex, but they like going out, eating out, and you’ll want to buy them presents, go on trips, etc. If you think you can afford a girlfriend, then you can afford to occasionally see an escort instead.

You’re probably imagining that it’s more emotionally satisfying to spend time with a girlfriend. Well, maybe yes, maybe no — depends on the girlfriend, depends on the escort. Until you get a girlfriend, escorts are pretty good substitutes. And the right escorts don’t feel like substitutes at all.

The main thing is keeping your spending in check. The fact that you’ve been able to go eight months without seeing an escort seems to indicate that you actually have a good amount of self-control. Keep exercising that self-control, but — hey — allow yourself to have some fun from time to time.
 

peeler_feeler

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Like the others said, there are free groups and meetings in Toronto that address this issue.


There is also an SA group in Mississauga.
Like the others said, there are free groups and meetings in Toronto that address this issue.


Also an SA meeting in Mississauga every Wednesday. After decades of this hobby I am realizing I need some help in sexual sobriety.

https://www.saontario.org/sa-location/mississauga-sexaholics-anonymous
 

Insidious Von

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Change your attitude, be like Al Pacino.

Learn to tango, it's an aphrodisiac for women.

 

Patron

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If this isn’t a troll post, the answer to all of these problems is to make more money. Then seeing escorts isn’t a problem, nor is the lack of online dating matches.

If getting more formal education isn’t the answer, there are countless skilled trades that pay as much or more as jobs historically requiring a college education.

Money lets you enjoy your addictions.
 

sosinful88

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What helps me limit myself is never making appointments. I show up and if no-one is available, I move on (typically getting myself something to eat). It has worked…

I haven’t started to fuck sandwiches yet.
Thats a good one 😅
 

Daddy2021

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Wovengrain, I’m not sure that framing your situation as “addiction" is helpful. You are young (I assume) so your obsessive interest in sex is completely natural, not an "addiction”. If you’ve been unable (for whatever reason) to find a girlfriend, then having an outlet for your natural sexual urges is sensible and healthy.

Since you’ve never had a girlfriend, let me tell you, they cost money. Yeah, they don’t ask for money upfront before sex, but they like going out, eating out, and you’ll want to buy them presents, go on trips, etc. If you think you can afford a girlfriend, then you can afford to occasionally see an escort instead.

You’re probably imagining that it’s more emotionally satisfying to spend time with a girlfriend. Well, maybe yes, maybe no — depends on the girlfriend, depends on the escort. Until you get a girlfriend, escorts are pretty good substitutes. And the right escorts don’t feel like substitutes at all.

The main thing is keeping your spending in check. The fact that you’ve been able to go eight months without seeing an escort seems to indicate that you actually have a good amount of self-control. Keep exercising that self-control, but — hey — allow yourself to have some fun from time to time.
If it’s too the point where it is having a negative impact on personal life and or finances it’s an addiction. Facing it as such is taking accountability. Removing the word addiction does nothing and sugar coating it as a normal part of life is harmful. It’s also denial.
 

shadeau

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Daddy2021 thinks that I’m "sugar coating” the natural impulse to have frequent sex by denying that it is an addiction.

The term sex addiction implies that someone is having too much sex. The thing is, how much sex is too much?

If a married couple has sex every night, would anyone think to call them sex addicts? I doubt it. People might be surprised that a married couple could be THAT sexually compatible, but I doubt that anyone would think to pathologize them. The general reaction would be (I hope) more along the lines of “Good for them!"

But if a single guy admitted to hiring an escort every night, people would be a lot more likely to think that that guy has a sex addiction problem, even if he could afford it.

I know I’ve been accused of being a sex addict for paying for sex only two or three times a month. The friend who made that accusation would never think to use the term sex addicts in reference to a married couple who had sex two or three times a month.

This is a judgmental term that has little to do with frequency of activity and everything to do with social attitudes.

Frequent monogamous sexual activity within a committed relationship? That’s okay and is never labeled sex-addiction.

Frequent non-monogamous sexual activity outside of a committed relationship, particularly with SPs? That’s disapproved of and is often labeled as sex addiction.

As I said, the term sex addiction implies that someone is having too much sex. There’s no such thing. Having a large sexual appetite is completely normal and completely healthy.

That said, there can be problems associated with hiring escorts frequently, the obvious one being that it is a problem if one can’t afford to hire escorts frequently. But that’s NOT a sex addiction problem, that’s a financial problem and (probably) an impulse control problem.

Impulse control is something that we’re supposed to learn in childhood. Unfortunately, not everyone does.

I don’t know Wovengrain, so I don’t know what his financial situation is or if he has an impulse control problem. The fact that he has been able to forego escorts for the last eight months indicates that if he does have an impulse control problem, he’s beginning to get it under control. I wish him the best.

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I can’t resist nattering on a tiny bit more about “sex addiction”. The term obviously compares having sex to using things like cigarettes, heroin, and crack. The latter are obviously unhealthy to use. Sex, on the other hand, is good for you (at least if you’ve got the right sexual partners). Comparing having sex to indulging in cigarettes, heroin, and crack is ridiculous. The only reason it sounds sort of plausible is because we live in such a sex-negative culture.
 

Daddy2021

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Daddy2021 thinks that I’m "sugar coating” the natural impulse to have frequent sex by denying that it is an addiction.

The term sex addiction implies that someone is having too much sex. The thing is, how much sex is too much?

If a married couple has sex every night, would anyone think to call them sex addicts? I doubt it. People might be surprised that a married couple could be THAT sexually compatible, but I doubt that anyone would think to pathologize them. The general reaction would be (I hope) more along the lines of “Good for them!"

But if a single guy admitted to hiring an escort every night, people would be a lot more likely to think that that guy has a sex addiction problem, even if he could afford it.

I know I’ve been accused of being a sex addict for paying for sex only two or three times a month. The friend who made that accusation would never think to use the term sex addicts in reference to a married couple who had sex two or three times a month.

This is a judgmental term that has little to do with frequency of activity and everything to do with social attitudes.

Frequent monogamous sexual activity within a committed relationship? That’s okay and is never labeled sex-addiction.

Frequent non-monogamous sexual activity outside of a committed relationship, particularly with SPs? That’s disapproved of and is often labeled as sex addiction.

As I said, the term sex addiction implies that someone is having too much sex. There’s no such thing. Having a large sexual appetite is completely normal and completely healthy.

That said, there can be problems associated with hiring escorts frequently, the obvious one being that it is a problem if one can’t afford to hire escorts frequently. But that’s NOT a sex addiction problem, that’s a financial problem and (probably) an impulse control problem.

Impulse control is something that we’re supposed to learn in childhood. Unfortunately, not everyone does.

I don’t know Wovengrain, so I don’t know what his financial situation is or if he has an impulse control problem. The fact that he has been able to forego escorts for the last eight months indicates that if he does have an impulse control problem, he’s beginning to get it under control. I wish him the best.

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I can’t resist nattering on a tiny bit more about “sex addiction”. The term obviously compares having sex to using things like cigarettes, heroin, and crack. The latter are obviously unhealthy to use. Sex, on the other hand, is good for you (at least if you’ve got the right sexual partners). Comparing having sex to indulging in cigarettes, heroin, and crack is ridiculous. The only reason it sounds sort of plausible is because we live in such a sex-negative culture.
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interferon

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That said, there can be problems associated with hiring escorts frequently, the obvious one being that it is a problem if one can’t afford to hire escorts frequently. But that’s NOT a sex addiction problem, that’s a financial problem and (probably) an impulse control problem.

Impulse control is something that we’re supposed to learn in childhood. Unfortunately, not everyone does.
You seem to be brushing off impulse control problems. Impulse control stuff is very closely related to addiction and canresult in in addiction. Doing something even if it causes financial problems is a sign of addiction. AS for the comparisons, I think gambling addiction is more often sited when talking about sex addiction.
 

Patron

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Daddy2021 thinks that I’m "sugar coating” the natural impulse to have frequent sex by denying that it is an addiction.

The term sex addiction implies that someone is having too much sex. The thing is, how much sex is too much?

If a married couple has sex every night, would anyone think to call them sex addicts? I doubt it. People might be surprised that a married couple could be THAT sexually compatible, but I doubt that anyone would think to pathologize them. The general reaction would be (I hope) more along the lines of “Good for them!"

But if a single guy admitted to hiring an escort every night, people would be a lot more likely to think that that guy has a sex addiction problem, even if he could afford it.

I know I’ve been accused of being a sex addict for paying for sex only two or three times a month. The friend who made that accusation would never think to use the term sex addicts in reference to a married couple who had sex two or three times a month.

This is a judgmental term that has little to do with frequency of activity and everything to do with social attitudes.

Frequent monogamous sexual activity within a committed relationship? That’s okay and is never labeled sex-addiction.

Frequent non-monogamous sexual activity outside of a committed relationship, particularly with SPs? That’s disapproved of and is often labeled as sex addiction.

As I said, the term sex addiction implies that someone is having too much sex. There’s no such thing. Having a large sexual appetite is completely normal and completely healthy.

That said, there can be problems associated with hiring escorts frequently, the obvious one being that it is a problem if one can’t afford to hire escorts frequently. But that’s NOT a sex addiction problem, that’s a financial problem and (probably) an impulse control problem.

Impulse control is something that we’re supposed to learn in childhood. Unfortunately, not everyone does.

I don’t know Wovengrain, so I don’t know what his financial situation is or if he has an impulse control problem. The fact that he has been able to forego escorts for the last eight months indicates that if he does have an impulse control problem, he’s beginning to get it under control. I wish him the best.

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I can’t resist nattering on a tiny bit more about “sex addiction”. The term obviously compares having sex to using things like cigarettes, heroin, and crack. The latter are obviously unhealthy to use. Sex, on the other hand, is good for you (at least if you’ve got the right sexual partners). Comparing having sex to indulging in cigarettes, heroin, and crack is ridiculous. The only reason it sounds sort of plausible is because we live in such a sex-negative culture.
Very reasonable and well-articulated post.

Personally, I don’t think anyone should spend more than 10 percent of his income on this activity.

Obviously, there is a big difference between 10 percent of $20,000 and 10 percent of $200,000. So this activity isn’t for everyone, especially those without much income. The goal of course is to always increase income.

If a person simply can’t come up with reasonable percentage as a budget and stick to it, that is an issue they need help with.

But I think setting aside a percentage of income for things a person enjoys makes a person strive and achieve more.

I think a lot of people just kind of give up with the increased cost of everything, especially if they give up the hope of getting anything enjoyable in life. A person just has to keep working and earning more, and spending more. That leaves little time for psychobabble.
 

shadeau

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Patron, thank you for the compliment.

Interferon, you disagreed with me. Let’s go through that disagreement sentence by sentence.

"You seem to be brushing off impulse control problems.”
Re-reading what I wrote, I see that I parenthetically added the word “probably". You’re right — that could have made it look like I don’t take impulse control issues seriously. So let me clarify: I do think that lacking impulse control can lead to big problems.

"Impulse control stuff is very closely related to addiction and canresult in in addiction."
I don’t disagree.

"Doing something even if it causes financial problems is a sign of addiction."
You lost me there. By including the word “even", you’re implying that “something” is a sign of addiction, even if doesn’t cause financial problems?

Perhaps you meant to write this:

Doing something if it causes financial problems is a sign of addiction.

That’s obviously not true, but since I’m not sure that that’s what you meant to write, I won’t elaborate.

"AS for the comparisons, I think gambling addiction is more often sited when talking about sex addiction."
In my opinion, when they hear the word “addiction”, what comes immediatly to mind for most people is substance-abuse issues regarding things like cigarettes, heroin, and crack. Those substances are unhealthy. If you use cigarettes, heroin, or crack a lot, your health will be negatively impacted.

On the other hand (and as I said in my post), having a large sexual appetite is completely normal and completely healthy. Sex, in itself, doesn’t damage health — it actually (if you have the right sexual partner) promotes health. Intimate contact with another loving person is good for one. Lots of such contact is even better.

The phrase “sex addiction” implies that one can have too much sex — that’s not true, therefore the term is deceptive and should be eliminated.

Interferon, you think that, instead of comparing sex to cigarettes, heroin, and crack, I should have compared it to gambling.

Why?

Are you arguing that gambling is healthy and good for people in the way that I’m arguing that sex is healthy and good? Maybe you are, but if you are, you have to make the case. You can’t just say that I should be comparing gambling to sex and think that that refutes my points. You need to explain how comparing gambling to sex refutes me.

The way I see it, sex is over in the category of good things in life. Cigarettes, heroin, crack, and gambling are over in the category of bad things.

You might have good points for why I should put gambling over in the category of good things, but you need to articulate those points if you want to convince me.

Use language accurately. If, in relation to spending too much money on escorts, you think that impulse control is the problem, then you should use that term — impulse control — not “sex addiction”. Because there’s no such thing as sex addiction.
 
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trippingwalker

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i am stuck in this addiction loop where i am used to watching porn, i spent qutie a bit of money seeing escorts.
i never have had any girlfriend.

even right now, i went 8 months without seeing an escort.
what's stopping me right now is the conseuqneces for escort (it's bank account).

have sought therapy, doing group therapy. how do i overcome this addiction?
i don't want to be part of this life.. but this is all i have known.
there is no match no nothing on tinder...
dude if I masturbate right before I book an escort, I don’t book an escort at all lol in fact part of the high of seeing escorts for me anyway is being so turned on and aroused but doing nothing about it until you’re with your date. If I masturbate after I book an escort I run the risk of cancelling altogether lol sometimes it’s a strategy to make the first round a good long one but more often than not it’s an instant “I don’t need this right now” lol
 
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If this isn’t a troll post, the answer to all of these problems is to make more money. Then seeing escorts isn’t a problem, nor is the lack of online dating matches.

If getting more formal education isn’t the answer, there are countless skilled trades that pay as much or more as jobs historically requiring a college education.

Money lets you enjoy your addictions.
Addiction , of any kind that is a vice (alcohol, drugs, gambling) , is sign of weakness. Money or not, when you look in the mirror, you need to decide if the person looking back at you is someone that you like and respect. I’ve seen many escorts, but I realized early that this can become an addiction. I did not want to be “that” guy. So I stopped.
 
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