State Of The Union Address

[zanner69]

Well what did you guys think of Dubya's speech last night??

Once again he focused on Iraq and forcefully defended his Iraq policy, telling Congress that even those who oppose the war have no choice now but to support efforts toward victory.


As for dosmetic issues: Bush this year offered a series of somewhat narrower goals, including:

• An "Advanced Energy Initiative" that includes research into ethanol- and hydrogen-powered automobiles. Bush proposed to cut oil imports from the Middle East by more than 75% over the next two decades.

• A new bipartisan commission to address the rising costs of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid to cope with the ballooning costs from impending baby boomer retirements.

• Renewal of enhanced federal investigative powers in the Patriot Act, currently stalled in the Senate over civil liberties concerns.

• An "American Competitiveness Initiative" that includes training 70,000 high school teachers to teach advanced-placement courses in math and science, as well as extending tax credits for research and development.

• A health care package giving individuals and small businesses the same tax advantages big companies get when they buy health insurance. Bush also proposed tax deductions for insurance costs associated with health savings accounts.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-01-31-sotu_x.htm

 

[maxweber]

bygones be bygones

In the closing months of the war, Heinrich Himmler was well aware that the world would view the Holocaust as a genocidal crime, and not as hygienic self-defense--the Nazi view of the matter. Behind Hitler's back, Himmler tried, impossibly, to make some gestures which would put him personally in a less culpable light. In early 1945 he met with the head of the World Jewish Congress, to barter the lives of Jews headed for the death camps for trucks. Himmler's opening words were: "Herr Kastner, it's high time you Jews and we National Socialists buried the hatchet."

MW

 

[langeweile]

In the closing months of the war, Heinrich Himmler was well aware that the world would view the Holocaust as a genocidal crime, and not as hygienic self-defense--the Nazi view of the matter. Behind Hitler's back, Himmler tried, impossibly, to make some gestures which would put him personally in a less culpable light. In early 1945 he met with the head of the World Jewish Congress, to barter the lives of Jews headed for the death camps for trucks. Himmler's opening words were: "Herr Kastner, it's high time you Jews and we National Socialists buried the hatchet."

MW

I am VERY impressed with your eloquant analysis. The tone, the style , the substance and insight are way out of my league.

I guess all the Social science and history classes are finally paying dividend...at a boy MW

 

[arclighter]

I am VERY impressed with your eloquant analysis. The tone, the style , the substance and insight are way out of my league.

I guess all the Social science and history classes are finally paying dividend...at a boy MW

There exists a subtle genius in all of MW’s posts. Subtle, very subtle.

 

[langeweile]

There exists a subtle genius in all of MW’s posts. Subtle, very subtle.

Instead of genius I detect anger and a general unhappiness with life.

 

[baltimoron]

The look on Hillary's face was priceless when Bush talked about continuing the "Terrorist Surveillance" activities. BTW, it was rumored that Hillary was chewing gum during the speech.

The sarcastic applause from the Dems when Bush said that his Social Security reform measures were shot down was petty, but will be remembered. Bush or not, something needs to be done about social security, which won't be there for me, but I'm paying into it with every frickin' paycheck.

The Advanced Energy Intiative sounds fine. Maybe someday, the Toyota Prius will actually be available and more affordable.

Ps. Who was the hottie sitting behind Laura Bush?

 

[langeweile]

The sarcastic applause from the Dems when Bush said that his Social Security reform measures were shot down was petty, but will be remembered. Bush or not, something needs to be done about social security, which won't be there for me, but I'm paying into it with every frickin' paycheck.

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The sad truth is, why the Democrats made a good symbolic point yesterday. Social security is a train wreck about to happen.
There can be a discussion on GWB proposed solution, but this should not include a complete stone walling of the issue.

History will tell, that GWB was the first POTUS to bring the issue on the table. BTW an issue that is known about for quiet some time. Instead of facing and discussing the issues, the Democrats chose do what EVERY other politician has done with this issue in the past 10 years or so....ignore it and put it off untill it will become really painful to solve.

Typical reactions of politicians...avoid responsibility whenever possible.

 

[arclighter]

Instead of genius I detect anger and a general unhappiness with life.

I told you it was very subtle.

 

[red]

The sad truth is, why the Democrats made a good symbolic point yesterday. Social security is a train wreck about to happen.
There can be a discussion on GWB proposed solution, but this should not include a complete stone walling of the issue.

History will tell, that GWB was the first POTUS to bring the issue on the table. BTW an issue that is known about for quiet some time. Instead of facing and discussing the issues, the Democrats chose do what EVERY other politician has done with this issue in the past 10 years or so....ignore it and put it off untill it will become really painful to solve.

Typical reactions of politicians...avoid responsibility whenever possible.

since the republicans control the house and the senate- how is it the democrats fault if it has not passed?

 

[langeweile]

since the republicans control the house and the senate- how is it the democrats fault if it has not passed?

The media storm created by this, scared the general public. So a lot of voters got scared, even in the Republican districts.
I am not saying that Busgh's plan for this was necessarily the bes. But instead of scarmongering the people a civil discussion needed to happen. Unfortunately it didn't

I believe Canada had to have a similiar discussion a few years back? Not sure if I like your solution,but at least you guys did something about it.

 

[red]

The media storm created by this, scared the general public. So a lot of voters got scared, even in the Republican districts.
I am not saying that Busgh's plan for this was necessarily the bes. But instead of scarmongering the people a civil discussion needed to happen. Unfortunately it didn't

I believe Canada had to have a similiar discussion a few years back? Not sure if I like your solution,but at least you guys did something about it.

no-one at the time liked the solution, ie. higher premiums, invest in the market - but at least it appears to be working

 

[papasmerf]

77% of the American people thought it was a good speach. I guess that is the thing that counts

 

[langeweile]

Social Security is relatively stable and should be
functioning long after 2040. .

easy for you to say old men..this when I gonna need the money..

BTW




GO STEELERS

 

[zanner69]

77% of the American people thought it was a good speach. I guess that is the thing that counts

where did you get this info? Fox news??

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-01-26-bush-sotu-cover_x.htm

 

[papasmerf]

where did you get this info? Fox news??

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http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060201/sfw098.html?.v=35

 

[papasmerf]

where did you get this info? Fox news??

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-01-26-bush-sotu-cover_x.htm

"A USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll taken last weekend and interviews across the country this week found most Americans pessimistic about the economy, divided on the war and doubtful that Bush has the best plan to address the issues that matter most to them — among them health care and corruption"

You sited a poll from last weekend. Seems to me the headline, like much of what you say, is misleading.

 

[zanner69]

where did you get this info? Fox news??

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http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060201/sfw098.html?.v=35

thanks for the link

The survey found that:

-- 77% of respondents approve of the proposals President Bush made in his
speech, while 23% disapprove
-- 59% said the President's proposals would make their lives better, while
33% said they would have no effect, and 9% felt they would make life
worse
-- 32% feel that the President will be able to accomplish his goals, while
68% say he will not be able to

it says that 77% approved of the proposals made by Dubya but funny thing is that 68% of them said Dubya wont be able to accomplish his goals!!!!

and I think they are right!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[papasmerf]

thanks for the link

The survey found that:

-- 77% of respondents approve of the proposals President Bush made in his
speech, while 23% disapprove
-- 59% said the President's proposals would make their lives better, while
33% said they would have no effect, and 9% felt they would make life
worse
-- 32% feel that the President will be able to accomplish his goals, while
68% say he will not be able to

it says that 77% approved of the proposals made by Dubya but funny thing is that 68% of them said Dubya wont be able to accomplish his goals!!!!

and I think they are right!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you that COngress will stand it the way of his ideas

You must remember this it is Comgress that makes law not the President.

 

[A-ROD]

papasmerf... do you have a broken finger

or are you drunk.... I have noticed that you are keyboard challenged today.

 

[zanner69]

I agree with you that COngress will stand it the way of his ideas

You must remember this it is Comgress that makes law not the President.

yes I'm aware of that - but which party currently controls the house and the senate??