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mandrill

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Welcome to the post Starmer UK where the top contenders in the next election will be the Greens, Reform, Plaid Cymru and the SNP. All the whiny moron parties in 1 herd.
 
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Insidious Von

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I have been having this discussion the last two years.
Contrary to the fans of the European Union, France and Germany are not outperforming the U.K. economically.
All three major European economies have been relatively stagnant the last ten years.
I believe some members pointed to headlines and/or every expert that says Brexit is bad.

Given my skepticism of things political, I personally prefer empirical evidence when it can give us a picture of effects.
Isn't Wyatt wonderful.

France and Germany are suffering the economic malaise of the Ukraine War, they will rebound when it ends. The UK benefits from North Sea oil, yet their is growing resentment. Hollyrood resents sending their tax money to the paper pushers at Westminster. Most of the gains within the UK's economy is in London while the rest of England rots.

The Prime Cunt and big target of the Panama Papers, who created this mess.


Andy Burnham will be out by next March.
 
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WyattEarp

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France and Germany are suffering the economic malaise of the Ukraine War, they will rebound when it ends. The UK benefits from North Sea oil, yet their is growing resentment. Hollyrood resents sending their tax money to the paper pushers at Westminster. Most of the gains within the UK's economy is in London while the rest of England rots.
Your first point about the economic malaise ending when the Ukraine War is over is very optimistic. The stagnation in Western Europe was firmly evident from 2016-2021(post-Brexit, pre-Ukraine). The empirical data strongly suggests that Western Europe has been on the wrong track since 2010.

If you pull out a crystal ball and start making prognostications about the future anything is possible. Of course, that's not empirical evidence. That's merely speculation grounded in your support for the European Union.

Your most fair comment is London's economic dominance relative to the rest of England. I don't want to revisit the reasons for the Brexit vote, but that summarizes the voter frustration with successive British governments and the EU.
 
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WyattEarp

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First minute and a half, Tony Blair makes the point that changing leaders means nothing if you don't change policy direction.

"Policy first, politics second."
 

Insidious Von

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Your most fair comment is London's economic dominance relative to the rest of England. I don't want to revisit the reasons for the Brexit vote, but that summarizes the voter frustration with successive British governments and the EU.
Prior to the Brexit vote, the trickle down from London to Hartlepool was zero. Michel Wilson tried to disperse London's tax revenue to the Shires, Londoners weren't happy about it.


Margaret Thatcher repealed the redistribution scheme, she would fix the problem by deregulating London's Financial Market. It made the problem worse, Boris Johnson promised to fix it but he was too busy partying. The manufacturing base of the UK is so destitute that one of it's most prestigious companies Wedgwood may shut down permanently.

 
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