Stadium vaccinations

[jcpro]

So, I had to go out of town the other day. I had to leave really early and made a mistake of turning on the radio. There was some airhead on AM640 getting a hard on admiring the British plan for using stadiums and other large venues for mass inoculations. Here's a perfect example of Covid logic, I thought. Bring in 5k-10k people to a single location to "save" them. But! And there's always a but when it comes to Covid, isn't there? The vaccines are 75%-90% effective. So, logically, given that amount of people in one place there's a potential for a super spreader event. Wouldn't it be easier and safer to do it in the local clinics, pharmacies and hospitals on the neighborhood level according to the citizens' rolls? And then he mentioned that military is involved in it and how much he hopes that in Canada military will be at the fore front of the effort, I thought- I guess he has never been in the military, if he is praising the "military efficiency". And these kind of morons are shaping the conversation on Covid. Scary!

 

[shack]

So, I had to go out of town the other day. I had to leave really early and made a mistake of turning on the radio. There was some airhead on AM640 getting a hard on admiring the British plan for using stadiums and other large venues for mass inoculations. Here's a perfect example of Covid logic, I thought. Bring in 5k-10k people to a single location to "save" them. But! And there's always a but when it comes to Covid, isn't there? The vaccines are 75%-90% effective. So, logically, given that amount of people in one place there's a potential for a super spreader event. Wouldn't it be easier and safer to do it in the local clinics, pharmacies and hospitals on the neighborhood level according to the citizens' rolls? And then he mentioned that military is involved in it and how much he hopes that in Canada military will be at the fore front of the effort, I thought- I guess he has never been in the military, if he is praising the "military efficiency". And these kind of morons are shaping the conversation on Covid. Scary!

Here is the idiocy of covidiot logic. You talk about the danger of a mass gathering to get vaccinations but have no problem with mass gatherings of trump loyalists so that he can raise money. And the fact that you acknowledge superspreading is an acknowledgement of the danger of the virus.

You also could not figure out that that 5,000-10,000 people in a stadium that holds 60,000 makes social distancing extremely easy. There is no social distancing at trump rallies, yet you do not have issue with that.

Once again, the whacky logic of the covidiot world.

 

[TeeJay]

Its just for public opinion
You and I both know there are no vaccines for Canada until way after covid is over and most of the world has gone on with their lives


Instead of wasting resources on vaccine why not help the long term care situation
Everyone and their dogs has realized this would save far more lives

 

[jalimon]

I guess the use of a Stadium is because of all the extra space it could give for vaccination. Many teams could be setup to vaccinate people that quickly go in and out in a big space. It's not like there will be 5-10k people sitting down waiting...

Just my logical 2 cents here...

 

[bazokajoe]

I think they should do this like an election. Find a large space(school gym, indoor soccer domes, cultural halls) and send out letters to each house with a time and place for your shoots. Schools could be used during the weekends as not to interfere with school classes.
My feelings is if they use clinics and pharmacies it would take way too long.
Just a thought.

 

[jcpro]

I think they should do this like an election. Find a large space(school gym, indoor soccer domes, cultural halls) and send out letters to each house with a time and place for your shoots. Schools could be used during the weekends as not to interfere with school classes.
My feelings is if they use clinics and pharmacies it would take way too long.
Just a thought.

My question is why? There's a drug store on almost every corner, clinics pretty much everywhere and hospitals well represented as well. Just advertise, mail the notices like for the election and all you need is 3 people at the delivery site-two for sticking and one to write a record and give out lollipops. You don't even need to hire extra staff. Take care of the high risk people first and then go alphabetically and actually issue a notice which day you must show up. All Doug has to do is to make the guarantee that the recipient don't have to worry about losing a day of pay(should be easy after all the billions wasted). You have to control access one way or the other or 100k will show up to a 10k party. Besides, do the numbers. There's 677 Shoppers Drug Marts in Ontario alone and not counting IDA and other pharmacies. There are hundreds of walk in clinics. With simple organization the whole Ontario can be vaccinated in less than 30 days, much less if there are no supply interruptions. The time to prepare is now, organize, issue the "invitations", train the staff(if the need training), print the forms, buy the lollipops and wait for the vaccine. Do we have to fuck everything to death?

 

[bazokajoe]

My question is why? There's a drug store on almost every corner, clinics pretty much everywhere and hospitals well represented as well. Just advertise, mail the notices like for the election and all you need is 3 people at the delivery site-two for sticking and one to write a record and give out lollipops. You don't even need to hire extra staff. Take care of the high risk people first and then go alphabetically and actually issue a notice which day you must show up. All Doug has to do is to make the guarantee that the recipient don't have to worry about losing a day of pay(should be easy after all the billions wasted). You have to control access one way or the other or 100k will show up to a 10k party. Besides, do the numbers. There's 677 Shoppers Drug Marts in Ontario alone and not counting IDA and other pharmacies. There are hundreds of walk in clinics. With simple organization the whole Ontario can be vaccinated in less than 30 days, much less if there are no supply interruptions. The time to prepare is now, organize, issue the "invitations", train the staff(if the need training), print the forms, buy the lollipops and wait for the vaccine. Do we have to fuck everything to death?

It's the government so yes we have to fuck everything to death.

 

[jcpro]

I guess the use of a Stadium is because of all the extra space it could give for vaccination. Many teams could be setup to vaccinate people that quickly go in and out in a big space. It's not like there will be 5-10k people sitting down waiting...

Just my logical 2 cents here...

Why? People will line up outside, that's what people do. Especially the panicked rabbits like some right here. Instead, we already have the necessary infrastructure in place, with professional staff ready to go at the moment's notice...if the government has the foresight to act rationally. Which I doubt it, btw.

 

[benstt]

There's 677 Shoppers Drug Marts in Ontario alone and not counting IDA and other pharmacies. There are hundreds of walk in clinics. With simple organization the whole Ontario can be vaccinated in less than 30 days, much less if there are no supply interruptions.

For a vaccine that will have such high demand, I think it is much simpler to manage stocks for a limited number of large distribution points rather than across thousands. Ie lean towards simplicity of management vs convenience of the public.

They could do it if they had really good inventory systems, but otherwise it is fucked. Especially when you have multiple vaccine types, some of which require two doses of the same type.

 

[TeeJay]

My question is why? There's a drug store on almost every corner, clinics pretty much everywhere and hospitals well represented as well. Just advertise, mail the notices like for the election and all you need is 3 people at the delivery site-two for sticking and one to write a record and give out lollipops.

No there actually is a reason here

Most of the news said something about storage / transport of vaccine is tricky because it needed to be stored at some insanely low temperature

Its not that we cant deploy it nationally, its that we cant transport it (safely) nationally

 

[jcpro]

For a vaccine that will have such high demand, I think it is much simpler to manage stocks for a limited number of large distribution points rather than across thousands. Ie lean towards simplicity of management vs convenience of the public.

They could do it if they had really good inventory systems, but otherwise it is fucked. Especially when you have multiple vaccine types, some of which require two doses of the same type.

Never mind Canada, simply the GTA is a very large area. Not everybody has a vehicle and our public transit is not that great. The central facility is convenient for the distributor, but terrible for access.

 

[jcpro]

No there actually is a reason here

Most of the news said something about storage / transport of vaccine is tricky because it needed to be stored at some insanely low temperature

Its not that we cant deploy it nationally, its that we cant transport it (safely) nationally

Well, there's still a lot of time to start ordering them liquid nitrogen tanks. Btw, we already have the policy in place for the cold chain storage that includes, wait for it, vaccines. It was developed a few years back by the Ontario College of Pharmacists. We know the problem, and the requirements.

 

[Fun For All]

Its just for public opinion
You and I both know there are no vaccines for Canada until way after covid is over and most of the world has gone on with their lives


Instead of wasting resources on vaccine why not help the long term care situation
Everyone and their dogs has realized this would save far more lives

Again, you keep the streak going...wrong every time you are.

 

[Fun For All]

Never mind Canada, simply the GTA is a very large area. Not everybody has a vehicle and our public transit is not that great. The central facility is convenient for the distributor, but terrible for access.

You'd almost think that for something this important they'd have really smart people with a well thought out plan...

 

[jcpro]

You'd almost think that for something this important they'd have really smart people with a well thought out plan...

I doubt it very much. How am I sure? Both the the fed and the province reached for ex generals to run it. They are (maybe) smart guys and even better politicians(chief requirement to be a top general in Canada- besides speaking French), but what this requires is a specialist in a supply chain with a strong background in the pharmaceutical industry. Oh yeah, and a great communicator who is able to explain, convince and encourage the execution down the line. Just giving orders will simply not do. Actually, I am expecting a full blown case of clusterfuck and a chance for days and days of laughter- for me, anyway.

 

[Fun For All]

I doubt it very much. How am I sure? Both the the fed and the province reached for ex generals to run it. They are (maybe) smart guys and even better politicians(chief requirement to be a top general in Canada- besides speaking French), but what this requires is a specialist in a supply chain with a strong background in the pharmaceutical industry. Oh yeah, and a great communicator who is able to explain, convince and encourage the execution down the line. Just giving orders will simply not do. Actually, I am expecting a full blown case of clusterfuck and a chance for days and days of laughter- for me, anyway.

I'm sure not of that has occurred to them.

 

[shack]

Its just for public opinion
You and I both know there are no vaccines for Canada until way after covid is over and most of the world has gone on with their lives


Instead of wasting resources on vaccine why not help the long term care situation
Everyone and their dogs has realized this would save far more lives

Nobody has an exact date but it will be soon.

Instead of wasting resources on providing care to the ill, why not prevent the illness from happening in the first place.

 

[TeeJay]

Nobody has an exact date but it will be soon.

Instead of wasting resources on providing care to the ill, why not prevent the illness from happening in the first place.

Because it is a virus
There has not been a single virus that ever gets "eliminated"

Look back in spring / summer
You did have majority of people on lockdown and what happened?
Nada

As a comparison look at Influenza
Even with vaccines it never "goes away"

What this virus showed was how piss poor the long term care for poor people was
Rich old people didn't die
Just those ones stuck in crooked nursing homes

Inadequate training, shared part time staff (so no benefits / vacations) between multiple homes, tons of foreign workers in homes
They could have regulated this
And who in their right mind would protest against care for the elderly?

Instead we get nonsense pseudo-science about masks & social distancing & lockdowns

The real science said Covid is aerosol based (which is EXACTLY the same as previous Sars was so I am unsure how this is a surprise to anyone)
Real science showed masks do not prevent infection (at best you have a reduction in chance to get infected and the effectiveness wildly varies)

Fuck in news today there is a story of a couple down the street from me found dead in garage (suicide)
People can't take the shit the government is shoveling
Its like everyone from Antifa/BLM to Anti-maskers are taking to the streets as boredom / mental health is becoming an issue
And who knows what effect this will pass on to next generation

AND its not like we saved anyone
Old age homes have been devastated by virus
Even on the rare chance they did manage to ICU some old guy back to health he is as good as dead as everyone he knew and played cards with is already dead and his family is banned from visiting him

 

[shack]

Why? People will line up outside, that's what people do.

You don't say. Have you noticed that there are sometimes lines here? Was your eye keen enough to see that people stay 6 feet behind? Another good reason to be at a stadium where there's lots of room for a long line.

 

[shack]

Because it is a virus
There has not been a single virus that ever gets "eliminated"

Polio.

It affected millions. The Salk vaccine virtually eradicated it. There may be an occasional case here or there but very rare. Rare enough that nobody is afraid of it like in the 50's.