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An amazing plane.......still beautiful after all these years.
Funny thing, I play Microsoft air combat and I get way more kills in a spit than I do in a mustang even though the 'stang is supposed to be "the" plane of WWII. I know I know a sim isn't anything like real life but the flight characteristics of both planes is supposed to be accurate.......
I was thinking: why are they stil using grass runways but then thought, at least with grass you won't get that tire wear when the stationary wheel hits pavement......
Funny thing, I play Microsoft air combat and I get way more kills in a spit than I do in a mustang even though the 'stang is supposed to be "the" plane of WWII. I know I know a sim isn't anything like real life but the flight characteristics of both planes is supposed to be accurate.......
I was thinking: why are they stil using grass runways but then thought, at least with grass you won't get that tire wear when the stationary wheel hits pavement......
herames said:
The FW's could out turn any allied plane but they lacked armor plating to protect the pilots (or so I seem to recall reading) and they were underpowered. The ME109 was one of the first (or THE first?) with a cannon and it was mounting in the middle of the prop wheel which made for great accuracy.
Funny thing about the spits though, during the battle of britain, rookie pilots in spits fought off hardened veterans in FWs and MEs.....goes to show the flyability of the spits and how well it performed....
The lack of armor was a problem with the Zero. Spitfires were more-or-less on a par with 109s at any given time. It had the same problems with limited range that plagued the 109 in BOB. The 190 was better than both. The Mustang with the Merlin was better than all of them. The 262, as an interceptor, outclassed everything in the air at the time it showed up.
there was something mythical about the P38 ... first model i put together...i fucked it up though
herames said:
I remember watching something on the history channel and they spoke to a german pilot who saw one for the first time.....he said he didn't know what the hell it was.....was it two planes, one plane, two pilots, but he did say they learned to respect it's firepower...5 cannons I think it had?
It kind of reminds me of the A-10 warthog in it's unique shape and design.....
See...
...my understanding was that one of the ADVANTAGES of the FW190 was the power from the big radial engine and the ENORMOUS propeller...
http://www.aviation-history.com/focke-wulf/fw190.html
http://www.warbirdalley.com/fw190.htm
Everything I ever read in the past said the FW190 was THE fighter of the war for the Germans, and had they proven to be more reliable, and had been produced in greater numbers, things might have gone differently...
tboy said:
...my understanding was that one of the ADVANTAGES of the FW190 was the power from the big radial engine and the ENORMOUS propeller...
http://www.aviation-history.com/focke-wulf/fw190.html
http://www.warbirdalley.com/fw190.htm
Everything I ever read in the past said the FW190 was THE fighter of the war for the Germans, and had they proven to be more reliable, and had been produced in greater numbers, things might have gone differently...
FW 190 was fuel injected to boot from my understanding...so step dives and upside down acrobats didn't starve the engine like a carbed engine did supposed have done did
herames said:
yeah and another great innovation the FW's had was all electrics (ie: electrical flaps, landing gear etc) which made them a little more durable in the sense that hydraulic lines etc were susceptible to breakage and damage from gunfire.....
No doubt they were great planes but I guess like the tiger tanks: the germans engineered them so well that they couldn't produce enough in numbers to make a real difference in the war.
But again, you have to give credit to the spits: for a rookie to hold his own against a veteran in an FW says a lot for the design......
danmand said:
All is forgiven
That plane is a thing of beauty, not just in terms of performance but its lines also.
the style difference between the Spits and 'canes and the Huns Me's and FW's was almost an allegory for the difference in the two countries. Ours is smooth and refined beauty, theirs harsh and purely functional.
thank God for the Spits, 'canes and the Few.
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Nothing beats the sound of a RR Merlin at full song. The Packards never seemed to have the same sound to them in a P-51.
Bobzilla said:
LOL an arrow? that'd take quite a few dollars to do seeing as how there aren't any left in one piece.....
Problem with the hot fighters from WWII is they were all single seaters. Tom Cruise modified his P-51 to be a 2 seater but that's the only one I've seen.....
When I was 16, I got a ride in a Harvard. What's a Harvard? It was the trainer for the Spit's and 'Canes. There's a lot of dirt in those planes - it all falls into the canopy when you're flying upside down - and then back in your lap when you go upright. The pilot kept asking me if I was OK - I guess he expected me to toss my cookies but I was too happy to be sick.Bobzilla said:
Another interesting point related to this is that the P-51 Mustang was actually originally developed for the RAF. Likewise basically so was the idea of mating the Rolls Royce/Packard Merlin engine with the airframe.
Take a gander at: Wilfrid Freeman: The Genius Behind Allied Survival and Air Supremacy 1939 to 1945.
Take a gander at: Wilfrid Freeman: The Genius Behind Allied Survival and Air Supremacy 1939 to 1945.
star_lord1 said:When I was 16, I got a ride in a Harvard. What's a Harvard? It was the trainer for the Spit's and 'Canes. There's a lot of dirt in those planes - it all falls into the canopy when you're flying upside down - and then back in your lap when you go upright. The pilot kept asking me if I was OK - I guess he expected me to toss my cookies but I was too happy to be sick.
your in luck ..think you can go up in a Yellow trainer near the Hamilton airport
http://www.warplane.com/pages/services_rideprogram.html
i' loved the Corsair they had their...but some dumb fuck sold it off
Larry_Fyne said:
Close.
Packard built the RR Merlin under license from Rolls Royce. In short, the British GAVE their technology to the Americans. (Don't forget, the Merlin in its day would have been equivalent to today's most kick ass jet engine.)
When the P51 first came out, it was powered by an Allison V1710 Engine which was junk (Allison being General Motors Aircraft Engine Division)
Somewhere down the line, when the P-51 was performing miserably with its Allison engine, somebody thought, hmmm, this baby would go better with a Merlin in it.
And so it was born.
Remember all the speedboats that raced the Detroit river in the '50s powered by the old RR engine from Spits.
Damn, they were fast.
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Damn, they were fast.
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