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Phil C. McNasty

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I hardly think checking your text mail while waiting at a stop light should be a $1,000 fine, a bunch of demerit points, and 3 days worth of your license taken away.

But whatuvah!!!!
 

gltrotter

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Not surprised. It's epidemic. Wish people would think twice before making stupid decisions. If you need an adrenaline rush, see an escort
 

TeeJay

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I hardly think checking your text mail while waiting at a stop light should be a $1,000 fine, a bunch of demerit points, and 3 days worth of your license taken away.

But whatuvah!!!!
I have no issue with police ticketing someone who is driving unsafe (eg leaving their lane because their eyes are fixed on a cell phone)

But the new laws they are discussing are an obvious cash cow for them
 

t.o.leafs.fan

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I've said it before...can't wait for self-driving cars. Many humans behind the wheel just don't care about the safety of others...whether texting or speeding.
 

Freedom1970

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Self driving cars!!! Were will the government get the MILLIONS of dollars for their fat Ontario wallets!!!??? No more tickets
 

corrie fan

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Many drivers are unwilling to slow down when conditions are less than ideal and when there is a potentially dangerous situation ahead of them.
Recently I was travelling on a country road on a snowy day. The road hadn't been ploughed and was slippery so I was going about 70 KPH. A guy came shooting up behind me and then passed me. He must have been going about 100.
A few years ago I was at my neighbour's place. His 3 children were standing on the narrow shoulder of the road opposite the house. The driver of a car coming down the road didn't slow down one bit. He blasted past a few feet from them at 80 KPH or more.
 

FAST

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Unless that statistic is qualified relative to road conditions, and the average speed of traffic at the time of the accident,... its useless.
 

SirWanker

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I have no issue with police ticketing someone who is driving unsafe (eg leaving their lane because their eyes are fixed on a cell phone)
But the new laws they are discussing are an obvious cash cow for them
Sounds like you have an issue with:
"Q3: Can I use my hand-held device when I'm stopped at a stop light?
No. With the exception of a call to the police, fire department or emergency medical services personnel, a driver of a motor vehicle must be pulled off the roadway and not impeding traffic, or lawfully parked to use these hand-held devices.
Note : It is dangerous to stop on the shoulder of a 400-series highway and drivers are prohibited from pulling off a designated 400-series highway and parking for a reason other than an emergency. If the situation is not an emergency, drivers are advised to exit the freeway at an interchange or pull into the nearest service centre.
It is important to remember that collisions do not just occur while a vehicle is in motion. Drivers stopped at lights and using a cell phone or smart phone (e.g., BlackBerry) are often not paying attention to the light cycle and frequently miss advance turn signals or green lights. They are also not paying attention to the actions of other road users, including pedestrians and cyclists.
"

Frankly, I have lost count the number of times I had to remind the idiot (fixated on their $%^& phone) in front of me that the light has turned green.
Is it that critical that one has to constantly check their email/text/FB/whatever damn social media app?
 

ravencroft

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Speed is no doubt a factor in vehicular deaths - simple physics covers that in the form of the kinetic energy formula: KE = (1/2) * m * v^2. The faster you go, the amount of available energy increases exponentially. However I am tired of people inferring correlation/causation incorrectly.

Speed, by itself as a variable, does not kill anyone, i.e. if it is the only factor differing between two drivers on a road, it doesn't necessarily mean the faster driver is instantly doomed to death.

A few of the reasons why speed, as a variable, poses a safety issue, but why it is not necessarily a defining issue:

1) It reduces the time you have available to react / observe hazards. Therefore you need to deepen your field of vision, i.e. how far ahead you scan the road to be able to recoup the lost reaction time. If more drivers actually did this instead of myopically staring one bumper ahead of them, we'd have less pile-ups. My dad always taught me to drive to the traffic conditions, but to also watch up to 20 car lengths ahead so I can better navigate / slow down without having to even use my brakes (i.e. "ease off", a concept a lot of GTA drivers need a refresher on)

2) Speed affects your car's ability to handle, but not all cars are created/configured equally and road conditions can vary. On a clear dry summer day, even a shitty subcompact with bald all-season tires can handle a 120 kph curve like a dream. But add wet / icy surfaces, fog impairing vision, etc. and even the most rugged SUV with winter-tires and 4-wheel drive should be dropping down a notch on the speedometer to navigate safely. The problem once again is the DRIVER not recognizing the hazards the conditions pose and ADJUSTING ACCORDINGLY.

In both cases I've flagged above, the issue is not so much with what the car is doing, but the PERSON behind the wheel. Speed, by itself, doesn't kill; Speed + Exceedingly Bad Judgment ALWAYS kills. Yes you can argue that reducing speed can help mitigate the severity of accidents, but I guarantee you that a legal 100 kph collision will feel like it hurts almost as much as a 120 kph collision to the person(s) involved. I'd sooner we find a way to fix people's judgement or test that more empirically before handing out licenses like candy to people that can't handle anything but fair-weather conditions and empty roads (the amount of cars with side-panel damage from not checking blind-spots is FRIGHTENING).

Oddly enough though, I kind of do wish for a self-driving car world. Know why?:

- When we're 100% automated the speed limits will likely increase to 150 because computers will actually navigate in the proper lanes, yield properly, and not be assholes clogging up the lanes when they should be getting over / allowing others to pass.

- Plus the computer will actually know where the hell it's going and GET OVER to the correct lane well before it has to exit, as opposed to the stupid GTA bumpkins swerving 4 lanes hard right in 500m because they fucked up and don't want to take the next exit and double back because their time is more valuable than everyone else's safety.
 

TFZL1

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I have been rear ended by a texting teenager. Not hurt, but PITA.
I think distracted driving convictions should be punished more severely.
1st offence, 3 months suspension, 2nd 1 yr suspension.
We need to get the point across that’s it’s not cool to cause accidents and hurt or kill others.

Same with speeding. My daughter was killed last year. She was passenger in her boyfriends car, he was racing. 2 dead in the other car.
Boyfriend lived, no charges. Witnesses are dead.
In my opinion, he should do jail time and never drive again, ever.
 

nottyboi

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I've said it before...can't wait for self-driving cars. Many humans behind the wheel just don't care about the safety of others...whether texting or speeding.
I agree, bring them on. I can't wait. Too many twits out there
 

nottyboi

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Speed is no doubt a factor in vehicular deaths - simple physics covers that in the form of the kinetic energy formula: KE = (1/2) * m * v^2. The faster you go, the amount of available energy increases exponentially. However I am tired of people inferring correlation/causation incorrectly.

Speed, by itself as a variable, does not kill anyone, i.e. if it is the only factor differing between two drivers on a road, it doesn't necessarily mean the faster driver is instantly doomed to death.

A few of the reasons why speed, as a variable, poses a safety issue, but why it is not necessarily a defining issue:

1) It reduces the time you have available to react / observe hazards. Therefore you need to deepen your field of vision, i.e. how far ahead you scan the road to be able to recoup the lost reaction time. If more drivers actually did this instead of myopically staring one bumper ahead of them, we'd have less pile-ups. My dad always taught me to drive to the traffic conditions, but to also watch up to 20 car lengths ahead so I can better navigate / slow down without having to even use my brakes (i.e. "ease off", a concept a lot of GTA drivers need a refresher on)

2) Speed affects your car's ability to handle, but not all cars are created/configured equally and road conditions can vary. On a clear dry summer day, even a shitty subcompact with bald all-season tires can handle a 120 kph curve like a dream. But add wet / icy surfaces, fog impairing vision, etc. and even the most rugged SUV with winter-tires and 4-wheel drive should be dropping down a notch on the speedometer to navigate safely. The problem once again is the DRIVER not recognizing the hazards the conditions pose and ADJUSTING ACCORDINGLY.

In both cases I've flagged above, the issue is not so much with what the car is doing, but the PERSON behind the wheel. Speed, by itself, doesn't kill; Speed + Exceedingly Bad Judgment ALWAYS kills. Yes you can argue that reducing speed can help mitigate the severity of accidents, but I guarantee you that a legal 100 kph collision will feel like it hurts almost as much as a 120 kph collision to the person(s) involved. I'd sooner we find a way to fix people's judgement or test that more empirically before handing out licenses like candy to people that can't handle anything but fair-weather conditions and empty roads (the amount of cars with side-panel damage from not checking blind-spots is FRIGHTENING).

Oddly enough though, I kind of do wish for a self-driving car world. Know why?:

- When we're 100% automated the speed limits will likely increase to 150 because computers will actually navigate in the proper lanes, yield properly, and not be assholes clogging up the lanes when they should be getting over / allowing others to pass.

- Plus the computer will actually know where the hell it's going and GET OVER to the correct lane well before it has to exit, as opposed to the stupid GTA bumpkins swerving 4 lanes hard right in 500m because they fucked up and don't want to take the next exit and double back because their time is more valuable than everyone else's safety.
150? I am thinking at least 200, but it will go in stages. Yup bad lane changes, incessant lane changes, following too closely etc are all bad. The traffic in GTA moves at its pace, relax and take a chill pill.
 

ravencroft

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I have been rear ended by a texting teenager. Not hurt, but PITA.
I think distracted driving convictions should be punished more severely.
1st offence, 3 months suspension, 2nd 1 yr suspension.
We need to get the point across that’s it’s not cool to cause accidents and hurt or kill others.

Same with speeding. My daughter was killed last year. She was passenger in her boyfriends car, he was racing. 2 dead in the other car.
Boyfriend lived, no charges. Witnesses are dead.
In my opinion, he should do jail time and never drive again, ever.
Wholeheartedly agree, and I'm sorry for your loss. Reckless drivers seemed to lead a charmed existence where everyone else around them dies but they don't get their comeuppance...
 

huckfinn

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I have been rear ended by a texting teenager. Not hurt, but PITA.
I think distracted driving convictions should be punished more severely.
1st offence, 3 months suspension, 2nd 1 yr suspension.
We need to get the point across that’s it’s not cool to cause accidents and hurt or kill others.

Same with speeding. My daughter was killed last year. She was passenger in her boyfriends car, he was racing. 2 dead in the other car.
Boyfriend lived, no charges. Witnesses are dead.
In my opinion, he should do jail time and never drive again, ever.
Very sorry for your loss.
 

sempel

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Many drivers are unwilling to slow down when conditions are less than ideal and when there is a potentially dangerous situation ahead of them.
Recently I was travelling on a country road on a snowy day. The road hadn't been ploughed and was slippery so I was going about 70 KPH. A guy came shooting up behind me and then passed me. He must have been going about 100.
A few years ago I was at my neighbour's place. His 3 children were standing on the narrow shoulder of the road opposite the house. The driver of a car coming down the road didn't slow down one bit. He blasted past a few feet from them at 80 KPH or more.
I consider myself a good driver so I while I generally go over the limit, I will reduce my speed to make them suitable to the conditions. While I agree that people should be doing this my experience has been many drivers reduce their speed well below what is needed. When it's snowing/icy, on most highways you can still do 100, maybe 80-90, but the traffic slows to 50 for no reason other than paranoia. The only time you ever need to do 40-50 is when there's multiple inches of snow on the ground and there has been zero plowing.

If you see people at the side of the road, or a parked car, or worse, a police cruiser, you should be moving over to the next lane. If that isn't possible, slow down. A cop can ticket you for staying in that lane.

Unless that statistic is qualified relative to road conditions, and the average speed of traffic at the time of the accident,... its useless.
You are absolutely correct.

Speed is no doubt a factor in vehicular deaths - simple physics covers that in the form of the kinetic energy formula: KE = (1/2) * m * v^2. The faster you go, the amount of available energy increases exponentially. However I am tired of people inferring correlation/causation incorrectly.

Speed, by itself as a variable, does not kill anyone, i.e. if it is the only factor differing between two drivers on a road, it doesn't necessarily mean the faster driver is instantly doomed to death.

A few of the reasons why speed, as a variable, poses a safety issue, but why it is not necessarily a defining issue:

1) It reduces the time you have available to react / observe hazards. Therefore you need to deepen your field of vision, i.e. how far ahead you scan the road to be able to recoup the lost reaction time. If more drivers actually did this instead of myopically staring one bumper ahead of them, we'd have less pile-ups. My dad always taught me to drive to the traffic conditions, but to also watch up to 20 car lengths ahead so I can better navigate / slow down without having to even use my brakes (i.e. "ease off", a concept a lot of GTA drivers need a refresher on)

2) Speed affects your car's ability to handle, but not all cars are created/configured equally and road conditions can vary. On a clear dry summer day, even a shitty subcompact with bald all-season tires can handle a 120 kph curve like a dream. But add wet / icy surfaces, fog impairing vision, etc. and even the most rugged SUV with winter-tires and 4-wheel drive should be dropping down a notch on the speedometer to navigate safely. The problem once again is the DRIVER not recognizing the hazards the conditions pose and ADJUSTING ACCORDINGLY.

In both cases I've flagged above, the issue is not so much with what the car is doing, but the PERSON behind the wheel. Speed, by itself, doesn't kill; Speed + Exceedingly Bad Judgment ALWAYS kills. Yes you can argue that reducing speed can help mitigate the severity of accidents, but I guarantee you that a legal 100 kph collision will feel like it hurts almost as much as a 120 kph collision to the person(s) involved. I'd sooner we find a way to fix people's judgement or test that more empirically before handing out licenses like candy to people that can't handle anything but fair-weather conditions and empty roads (the amount of cars with side-panel damage from not checking blind-spots is FRIGHTENING).

Oddly enough though, I kind of do wish for a self-driving car world. Know why?:

- When we're 100% automated the speed limits will likely increase to 150 because computers will actually navigate in the proper lanes, yield properly, and not be assholes clogging up the lanes when they should be getting over / allowing others to pass.

- Plus the computer will actually know where the hell it's going and GET OVER to the correct lane well before it has to exit, as opposed to the stupid GTA bumpkins swerving 4 lanes hard right in 500m because they fucked up and don't want to take the next exit and double back because their time is more valuable than everyone else's safety.
If you run for Minister of Transportation based on this, you have my vote.

I have been rear ended by a texting teenager. Not hurt, but PITA.
I think distracted driving convictions should be punished more severely.
1st offence, 3 months suspension, 2nd 1 yr suspension.
We need to get the point across that’s it’s not cool to cause accidents and hurt or kill others.

Same with speeding. My daughter was killed last year. She was passenger in her boyfriends car, he was racing. 2 dead in the other car.
Boyfriend lived, no charges. Witnesses are dead.
In my opinion, he should do jail time and never drive again, ever.
Sorry to hear about your daughter. There is some fundamental flaws in the system if the driver gets off. The fact that he did is inexcusable and the lawmakers should seriously consider updating these laws versus distracted driving. I can understand many laws are there to prevent the worse case outcomes but when those outcomes occur, the punishments have to be severe.
 
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