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Diversity quotas exist. That's a fact. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/diversity-quotas-what-we-need-remind-ourselves-marcela-montero
If there are quotas, then companies strive to meet those quotas regardless if they are about visible minorities or gender.
So it's racist to hire someone based on quotas that involve the number of visible minorities you need to hire.

Sorry to burst your virtue-signaling bubble but you are the one who is actually supporting racist policies. Don't do the usual leftist thing where you accuse others of doing what you yourself are doing.

I asked you a simple question and you can't (or won't) answer it.

That's the answer I was expecting.

I'll leave you to your struggle now.
First, pulling up a LinkedIn post by some rando isn't exactly the most compelling argument you've made. But, here's the thing: if on paper the two candidates (one a POC or minority, one white male) are equally qualified and have similar experiences, is it racist to pick either of the candidates? It sounds like your default position is to go with the white person. Let me say this: I've worked in several organizations that care about diversity. I've never felt marginalized by being a while straight male, nor did I see unqualified people get leadership positions, from POC to women. It seems like the only people who are angry about this are mediocre white men who feel that they are getting passed up for jobs even though they are white men. And, that is just sad.

If you are actually a business owner, than maybe you should really think about diversifying your organization. The benefits are immense. You get new perspectives and maybe insights into a new client base. You really should think deeply about why you are so buttsore about qualified minorities getting jobs.
 

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First, pulling up a LinkedIn post by some rando isn't exactly the most compelling argument you've made. But, here's the thing: if on paper the two candidates (one a POC or minority, one white male) are equally qualified and have similar experiences, is it racist to pick either of the candidates? It sounds like your default position is to go with the white person. Let me say this: I've worked in several organizations that care about diversity. I've never felt marginalized by being a while straight male, nor did I see unqualified people get leadership positions, from POC to women. It seems like the only people who are angry about this are mediocre white men who feel that they are getting passed up for jobs even though they are white men. And, that is just sad.

If you are actually a business owner, than maybe you should really think about diversifying your organization. The benefits are immense. You get new perspectives and maybe insights into a new client base. You really should think deeply about why you are so buttsore about qualified minorities getting jobs.
First, I pulled up the first hit on a search...how many more do you need to accept the fact that diversity quotas exist? have you searched yourself? No.

Second, no my default position is to go with the most qualified with no pressure to get cancelled and play into woke ideology.
I don't really care what a person's skin colour is as long as they are the most qualified for the job.
I'm in business to succeed and not to make snowflakes feel warm & fuzzy. They can set cars on fire to make themselves feel better.
 

silentkisser

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First, I pulled up the first hit on a search...how many more do you need to accept the fact that diversity quotas exist? have you searched yourself? No.

Second, no my default position is to go with the most qualified with no pressure to get cancelled and play into woke ideology.
I don't really care what a person's skin colour is as long as they are the most qualified for the job.
I'm in business to succeed and not to make snowflakes feel warm & fuzzy. They can set cars on fire to make themselves feel better.
Sure, one side burns cars, the other does violent insurrections or assassinations...What's worse?
 
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Valcazar

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So.....Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. Let me make it a little uncomfortable for you. Due process is no immediate deportation (or expedited removal). There is a legal process to determine if they are actually here without asylum and other things like that. Some people didn't have an opportunity to show their paperwork. The SCOTUS even slammed ICE for not going through with it, since all people, regardless of citizenship, need due process.
To clarify, expedited removal is due process, at least in some minds.
There is a specific process involved - it isn't supposed to apply to everyone.

That said, it has long been noted as prone to abuse and the limits of the law contested since laying out a process in a law can still be judged to not comply with the 5th amendment's due process protections.
(https://www.aclu.org/press-releases...nistration-over-fast-track-deportation-policy
https://immigrationforum.org/article/fact-sheet-expanded-expedited-removal/ )

And, of course, things aren't binary - it is possible for certain uses of expedited removal to be more egregious violations of the 5th amendment than others.

As for Obama...if you did any research, you would know that the majority of those he deported had criminal records in the US....and should have been deported already. But, another point is that a majority of the laws and policies that triggered the increase in deportations came before he became president. So, it isn't like this was his policy.
I think it's more complicated than that.
There were definitely shifts in policy under Obama.
His immigration record has a lot to do with specific policy choices (along with, as always, the international situation.)
You can see some of the shift in emphasis in the numbers compared to Clinton and Bush. (Obama's total deportations coming in so much lower.)

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As for ICE doing their jobs...As we've already established, Trump wanted to clean up the worst of the worst.
Now now.
Trump sometimes said that.
It seems unlikely to be what Trump wanted since other things he said and actual policy contradicted that. (And he didn't do that in his first term, so it isn't as if anyone who cared about the topic was going to be surprised.)
 
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Valcazar

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Obama isn't the hero you thought he was. You seriously think 3 million deportations were only people with criminal records. Wow.
He didn't say "only people with criminal records".
He said " the majority of those he deported had criminal records in the US ".

Don't move the goal posts.

We know you're just parroting talking points, but try to at least pretend you are actually engaging with what's being said.

Simple question: Do you support the rule of law and the ones who have been given the responsibility of enforcing it within our democracy or not?
That's such a weird question for you - being a Trump supporter - to be asking that way.
I'm trying to figure out if you think you're being clever or something with it.
 
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Frankfooter

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Now now.
Trump sometimes said that.
It seems unlikely to be what Trump wanted since other things and actual policy contradicted that. (And he didn't do that in his first term, so it isn't as if anyone who cared about the topic was going to be surprised.)
It appears that ICE is mostly targeting workers, all of their raids have been on businesses or places temp workers assemble.
Seems they are afraid of gangs and resistance.

 

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Sure, one side burns cars, the other does violent insurrections or assassinations...What's worse?
Nice pivot when I shot down your argument.
Let me know when you decide to get back on topic in the context of the discussion and I'd be happy to continue.
 

Skoob

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He didn't say "only people with criminal records".
He said " the majority of those he deported had criminal records in the US ".

Don't move the goal posts.

We know you're just parroting talking points, but try to at least pretend you are actually engaging with what's being said.



That's such a weird question for you - being a Trump supporter - to be asking that way.
I'm trying to figure out if you think you're being clever or something with it.
It was a simple question. Why are you trying to find clever ways of avoiding answering it?
 

Valcazar

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It was a simple question. Why are you trying to find clever ways of avoiding answering it?
Of course, it isn't as simple a question as you are making out.
One interpretation is that it is a sad attempt at a "gotcha" question by you.
The other is that you're simple-minded enough to actually believe it is "a simple question".

Since we've already seen how much you intend to goal-post shift and play word games with this, would you care to put down your final, specific version of the question?
I want to leave you as little semantic wiggle room as possible since we've all seen what you're like.

ETA--
Oh wait, this is the thread where you asked it more directly!

Do you support the rule of law and the ones who have been given the responsibility of enforcing it within our democracy or not?
Yes.
Which is why I am opposed to Trump.
 
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Skoob

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Of course, it isn't as simple a question as you are making out.
One interpretation is that it is a sad attempt at a "gotcha" question by you.
The other is that you're simple-minded enough to actually believe it is "a simple question".

Since we've already seen how much you intend to goal-post shift and play word games with this, would you care to put down your final, specific version of the question?
I want to leave you as little semantic wiggle room as possible since we've all seen what you're like.

ETA--
Oh wait, this is the thread where you asked it more directly!



Yes.
Which is why I am opposed to Trump.
So you support the law but don't like who is enforcing it.
Thanks
 

Valcazar

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So you support the law but don't like who is enforcing it.
Thanks
Aww, it was a lame attempt at a "Gotcha" question.
How pathetic for you.

I guess I will find it later in the other thread, but you aren't even consistent about how you're framing this, and it kind of undercuts what you are trying to do.
You don't seem to know if you want to say "support the rule of law" or "support the law" and those are different things.
Since you don't seem to know what the rule of law means, you probably shouldn't try and use it here.

No, you were willing to back Harris despite her aiding genocide.
You called that 'pragmatic'.

That means you are no longer justified in saying you support the rule of law.
LOL.

Oh dear.
You don't know what "the rule of law" means, either?

Well, maybe both of you should just try not using the phrase.
 

Frankfooter

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Oh dear.
You don't know what "the rule of law" means, either?

Well, maybe both of you should just try not using the phrase.
Its very clear, you were willing to back a candidate that you also admitted was supporting what you said was likely genocide.
You are the one who repeatedly brings up Wilhoit's law yet won't admit your philosophy clearly fits.

The dems and GOP have made it clear they don't follow the rule of law in international dealings.
They both support attacking the ICC over charges of genocide to Israeli leaders.
They both support defending massive war crimes and committing massive war crimes on behest of a foreign country.
 

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Aww, it was a lame attempt at a "Gotcha" question.
How pathetic for you.

I guess I will find it later in the other thread, but you aren't even consistent about how you're framing this, and it kind of undercuts what you are trying to do.
You don't seem to know if you want to say "support the rule of law" or "support the law" and those are different things.
Since you don't seem to know what the rule of law means, you probably shouldn't try and use it here.



LOL.

Oh dear.
You don't know what "the rule of law" means, either?

Well, maybe both of you should just try not using the phrase.
Playing with words is really all you do. You're not clever btw.
You just can't provide any straight answers because you really have none other than ones that make you trip over your own hypocrisy.

In this case, you don't like who is enforcing the law. So you try and twist words to get around that fact. Like I said, you're not clever.
 
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Valcazar

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Playing with words is really all you do. You're not clever btw.
You just can't provide any straight answers because you really have none other than ones that make you trip over your own hypocrisy.

In this case, you don't like who is enforcing the law. So you try and twist words to get around that fact. Like I said, you're not clever.
You completely dropped it the last time I pressed you on this "you just don't like who is enforcing the law" thing.

I think I understand you a bit better now, in terms of why you are asking the question this way.
You actually think everyone is like you, and believes that "who enforces the law" is the only thing that matters.
"Might makes right" and all that.

You honestly think that's a good thing and that it is secretly what everyone believes.
So you keep trying to get me to "admit" something that isn't true, because your brain can't understand that people think differently than you.

This is a generous read on you, I admit, but I think it is plausible and it would be nicer to think this is more "Skoob is honestly having trouble wrapping his brain around something" than "Skoob is so deluded he thinks Trump is just enforcing the laws" ,
 

Valcazar

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Its very clear, you were willing to back a candidate that you also admitted was supporting what you said was likely genocide.
You are the one who repeatedly brings up Wilhoit's law yet won't admit your philosophy clearly fits.

The dems and GOP have made it clear they don't follow the rule of law in international dealings.
They both support attacking the ICC over charges of genocide to Israeli leaders.
They both support defending massive war crimes and committing massive war crimes on behest of a foreign country.
What does any of this have to do with voting strategically meaning I don't believe in the rule of law?

I know you really want me to admit false things, but I'm not going to just to please you.
 

Frankfooter

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What does any of this have to do with voting strategically meaning I don't believe in the rule of law?

I know you really want me to admit false things, but I'm not going to just to please you.
Your definition of 'strategic voting' means you think its therefore ok to vote for someone aiding the worst crime known to humanity, genocide.
Either you won't vote for people who break the law or you should admit that you have Wilhoit exceptions to the law.
 

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This man will be PM until he wants to leave! #SuperCarney

Amanpour asks Canadian PM: Is Trump still threatening annexation?
 

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Mr Carney, There's A Difference Between "Defence" & War-mongering.

Fighting unnecessary wars on borrowed money is a sure road to bankruptcy. When interest on accumulated debt parallels war budgets (US) alarm bells ought not to be silenced.


Carney commits Canada to biggest increase in military spending since Second World War, doubling budget by 2035
Steven ChaseSenior parliamentary reporter
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Prime Minister Mark Carney is greeted by NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte, right, and Netherland's Prime Minister Dick Schoof at the NATO summit Wednesday.Geert Vanden Wijngaert/The Associated Press


Prime Minister Mark Carney has committed Canada to the biggest increase in military spending since the Second World War as part of a NATO pledge Wednesday designed to both prepare for the growing threat of Russian expansionism and to keep Donald Trump from quitting the Western alliance.
Mr. Carney and leaders of 31 member countries agreed to a joint statement at The Hague Wednesday saying they would raise defence-related spending to an amount equivalent to 5 per cent of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by 2035.
This would require an additional $50-billion in defence-related government spending every year – nearly doubling the existing budget to $110-billion in military expenditures by 2035. This year the Canadian government’s defence-related spending is due to exceed $62-billion.
“The world is increasingly dangerous and divided. Canada must strengthen our defence to better protect our sovereignty, our interests, and our allies,” Mr. Carney said. “These investments won’t just build our military capacity – they will build our industries and create good, high-paying jobs at home."
NATO members also agreed to review this new target in 2029 to make sure it aligns with “the global security landscape” at the time.
This new NATO target is really two separate targets: core military spending equivalent to 3.5 per cent of GDP, or annual economic output, and another 1.5 per cent GDP for defence-related infrastructure spending.
Mr. Carney said Wednesday he’s confident Canada can easily qualify for this second target by claiming infrastructure investments for critical defence and security-related expenditure, such as new airports, ports, telecommunication, emergency preparedness systems, and other dual-use investments which serve defence as well as civilian readiness.
The tough new challenge for the federal treasury will be the 3.5 per cent GDP target which will require military spending by Ottawa to grow by more than 7 per cent annually each year over the next decade.
This new target is far higher than NATO’s former 2 per cent benchmark for military spending, which Canada under Mr. Carney will only meet for the first time this March.
David Perry, president of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, who was in The Hague for the NATO Summit, said the last time Canada raised defence spending so much was 1939 to 1942, when the country mobilized for war in Europe and the Pacific.
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He said doesn’t think there is public support for this magnitude of defence spending but that Mr. Carney can gain the backing of Canadians by explaining the rationale. European leaders have warned that even when the war in Ukraine eventually ends, the danger that Moscow poses will not disappear. As Mr. Rutte noted last week, Russia is reconstituting its forces with Chinese technology and producing weapons faster than we thought it could. “This year alone, Russia is expected to roll out 1,500 tanks, 3,000 armoured vehicles, and 200 Iskander missiles,” he wrote in Foreign Affairs magazine this month.
A Canadian official who was in the room during Wednesday’s NATO summit meeting said Mr. Carney noted for other leaders that Canada has long been a net exporter of security – meaning it’s provided more support for other regions through deployments of armed forces around the world than it’s ever received.
The Globe is not identifying the official because they were not authorized to speak publicly on the matter.
The Canadian official said Canada in 2029 would be keen on discussing whether it could earn additional credit for defence-related infrastructure investments such as ports, transport corridors and Arctic development to offset required core military spending under the targets.
The NATO summit has been carefully choreographed to deliver the 5-per-cent target for Mr. Trump, who argues other countries rely too much on U.S. military might. Since his 2024 presidential election campaign, he has demanded NATO members hit this benchmark. The NATO charter’s Article 5 collective-defence clause obliges members to consider an attack against any to be an attack against all, but Mr. Trump in March said he won’t defend allies that are not paying enough for their defence.
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President Donald Trump joins a group photo of NATO leaders Wednesday.Geert Vanden Wijngaert/The Associated Press
NATO’s Mr. Rutte said the new pledge will shift the defence burden “away from the United States, more toward the Europeans and the Canadians, which I think is fair.”
Mr. Rutte also defended a gushing note he wrote Mr. Trump telling the U.S. leader his ability to demand military spending increases from allies will “achieve something no American president in decades could get done.”
Speaking to reporters, the NATO Secretary General said nobody else could have driven Canada and other laggard European countries to boost military spending.
“Would you really think that the seven or eight countries not at 2 per cent at the beginning of this year would have reached the 2 per cent if Trump would not have been elected President of the United States?”
 
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