Some Advice To Mark Carney

[Skoob]

Why does the terrorist right assassinate (or try to assassinate) political rivals?

Here's the thing: Trump said he was going after the criminals. Is he? At first, he went after the low hanging fruit. But, MAGA (and yourself, apparently) wanted to see more folks get turfed. But, as I've mentioned, he's now going after people who are hardworking. While you might not believe or agree with it, they do the jobs nobody else wants. They pay taxes and are beneficial to the economy. They, despite Trump's bullshit, do not vote for Democrats....or the GOP....because they are not citizens. Hell, I'd rather have a family of undocumented people living beside me than a group of MAGAts.

The protests were mostly peaceful. There are always going to be idiots in any large group, including the police, who fired rubber bullets (at anyone, including reporters doing live TV) and escalated things unnecessarily.

But, answer me this: If Trump was really targeting the undocumented, why is he pulling back from farms, construction sites and slaughterhouses, where WE KNOW huge groups of undocumented people are working? Instead, he's going into factories and what not in blue cities. Is he trying to provoke a response? Did you know that the Nazi's used to hold rallies in neighbourhoods where they were despised, just so they could provoke an angry response and then blame the resulting kerfuffle on the "leftist agitators?" Sort of sounds like ICE/Trump/MAGA are pulling out the good ole playbook.

As for Obama, we all know he deported more people than Trump. What you are missing (shockingly) is that the majority of folks he turfed who had criminal records in the US. He also formalized the process for those caught crossing the border. Before Obama, they were allowed to voluntarily return to Mexico without and repercussions. Meaning they could try again and again until they actually made it in. Obama changed that, and kept a formal record of people so they would know who tried before and permanently barred from entering the US.

Now, I think deporting criminals is supported by all sides. You break the law, you don't deserve to be in the US (or Canada). But, at the same time, there should be due process. This is one of the major issues with these ICE raids, because they were not giving due process to those who got swallowed up in the sweep. Hence, the protests. And, since the righties LOVE to talk about the constitution, habeas corpus is enshrined in both the US and Canadian constitution.

If you're in the country illegally you face deportation. What part of that confuses you?
Obama deported many people for various reasons as well. It may shock you but perhaps look into it before making hasty assumptions.
Trump's government is actually following the process. You should look into that as well.

"The protests were mostly peaceful"...hahahahaha OMFG Lol!

 

[Skoob]

Which I am not doing.
You lied and it is why when I asked you to quote me, you aren't able to.

I literally posted your quotes.

You just doing your old tactic of ignoring them then asking for proof again. It's what I call the "Frankfooter-Circle-Jerk-Of-Dysfunction & Distraction" aptly named after its creator.

Give it up already.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I literally posted your quotes.

No you didn't.
I asked you to post a quote of mine that said that DEI was hiring quotas.
I distinctly said DEI was not hiring quotas but are a wide gamut of initiatives.
You lied I said that DEI was hiring quotas.
Quote me where I said that.
We are not talking about Frankfooter's circle jerk if at all it exists.
We are talking about the Skoob double twisting triple backflip with a hard faceplant.
Stop lying.

 

[silentkisser]

If you're in the country illegally you face deportation. What part of that confuses you?
Obama deported many people for various reasons as well. It may shock you but perhaps look into it before making hasty assumptions.
Trump's government is actually following the process. You should look into that as well.

Ummm….Was Trump’s ICE following the process? Because they deported a lot of people without any due process. That was illegal, and even undocumented people have rights.
As for your first sentence, sure, they could all be deported. But, as I’ve said, Trump said they were going after the worst of the worst. But ICE isn’t apparently good at that, so they’re going after people with jobs…but only in blue states. Do you think they’d raid Mar-A-Lago? How many undocumented folks work at Trump properties, I wonder.
What would shock me is you writing a fact-based and coherent post that didn’t slide into casual racism, xenophobia and right-wing talking points…

 

[Valcazar]

I'm late to this party, and others may have pointed this out....But, wasn't Trump's mass deportation campaign supposedly targeting the worst of the worst criminal immigrants?

Yes and no.

That was the fallback position to sell it, but when talking about it generally it wasn't specified and the numbers they kept using were impossible if that was the approach.
(And Miller clearly meant everybody.)

He didn't really get challenged on it.

But in terms of "what did people generally understand about the policy", yes - it was supposed to be those committing crimes.

Instead, he is going after people who are working and paying taxes. Not gang bangers or drug dealers or rapists. And, it is interesting how he is targeting places like LA instead of, say, a Florida orange plantation or an Iowa slaughterhouse. And, in the past few days, he says he is going to increase sweeps in blue cities like New York and Chicago....while at the same time cutting back on raids at construction sites and hotels....

The whole "we are liberating the cities from their elected leaders" kind of gives the game away.

The point here: He is trying to provoke outrage and maybe this type of violence.

One of his standard MOs.

This is all for show. If Trump was serious about deporting ALL illegals, he could easily do it.

Easily is overselling it.
But he could be far more efficient than he is being if just deporting was the point.

 

[Valcazar]

Obama deported many people for various reasons as well. It may shock you but perhaps look into it before making hasty assumptions.

Obama prioritized deporting people convicted of serious crimes and recent arrivals who had no criminal records.

Trump's government is actually following the process.

What process do you think they are following?

 

[Skoob]

No you didn't.
I asked you to post a quote of mine that said that DEI was hiring quotas.
I distinctly said DEI was not hiring quotas but are a wide gamut of initiatives.
You lied I said that DEI was hiring quotas.
Quote me where I said that.
We are not talking about Frankfooter's circle jerk if at all it exists.
We are talking about the Skoob double twisting triple backflip with a hard faceplant.
Stop lying.

I posted your quotes. Now you're asking me to post them again?
Are you that lazy?
Do you just want to ignore them again as usual and go around and around asking me to keep reposting things? ie the Frankfooter circle jerk I mentioned.

 

[Skoob]

Ummm….Was Trump’s ICE following the process? Because they deported a lot of people without any due process. That was illegal, and even undocumented people have rights.
As for your first sentence, sure, they could all be deported. But, as I’ve said, Trump said they were going after the worst of the worst. But ICE isn’t apparently good at that, so they’re going after people with jobs…but only in blue states. Do you think they’d raid Mar-A-Lago? How many undocumented folks work at Trump properties, I wonder.
What would shock me is you writing a fact-based and coherent post that didn’t slide into casual racism, xenophobia and right-wing talking points…

They are indeed following due process that's defined in the scenario for deporting someone who is in the country illegally. "Expedited Removal"...you should look that up as to when it applies and to who.
They have deported criminals as well as those who are not criminals but in the country illegally and don't qualify for asylum protection. They're even giving people the opportunity to self-deport and if they do, they can attempt to come back.

So it sounds like you do support deporting people who are in a country illegally; You just don't like who is upholding the law. Did I get that right?

What would shock me is you not assuming everyone you don't agree with is racist.

btw You do know that during the Obama era, he deported close to 3 million people, of which, a significant number did not go through any judicial review and were expedited. You know that right?
"Deporter-in-Chief"? Ring any bells? More than all other presidents combined in the 20th century.

Does that make you want to injure someone in law enforcement for doing their job? Feel like setting cars on fire?

 

[Skoob]

Obama prioritized deporting people convicted of serious crimes and recent arrivals who had no criminal records.



What process do you think they are following?

"Prioritized" doesn't mean "only".

3 million deportations. More than all other presidents in the 20th century combined. Earned him the nickname "Deporter-in-Chief".
If it makes you feel better convincing yourself that most of those were people convicted of serious crimes, then I can't help you.

 

[Frankfooter]

What process do you think they are following?

The process is that ICE gangs like this can disappear any minority at will and anyone who stands up to them.
Its like Pinochet now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1935203109627682973

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

I posted your quotes. Now you're asking me to post them again?

Yes, post it and prove your claim.
You can't because you lied.

 

[Valcazar]

"Prioritized" doesn't mean "only".

Never said it did.
Hopefully you aren't trying to make the ludicrous argument that "Obama deported people for various reasons and Trump has deported people for various reasons, they are the same" are you?
Didn't you embarrass yourself enough already with "The government started planning bisesquicentennial celebrations under Obama, therefore Trump didn't plan the parade, Obama did"?

3 million deportations.

A number!!!
So you do have a specific definition of "deportation" in mind.
One linked to this number.
Or is this another thing you were just told to say as a win button and you still don't know what any of it actually means?

More than all other presidents in the 20th century combined.

Oh, this is gonna be good, isn't it?

Earned him the nickname "Deporter-in-Chief".

Out of curiosity, who do you think gave him that nickname?

If it makes you feel better convincing yourself that most of those were people convicted of serious crimes, then I can't help you.

Interesting.
A couple of questions.

1) Is your argument that most of the 3 million you are claiming did not commit serious crimes?
2) Are you under the impression I approved of Obama's immigration policy? ("If it makes you feel better..." makes it sound like you think I'm defending Obama from some sort of accusation here.)

 

[glamphotographer]

What the difference between Poilievre and a toilet? A toilet has a seat.

 

[silentkisser]

They are indeed following due process that's defined in the scenario for deporting someone who is in the country illegally. "Expedited Removal"...you should look that up as to when it applies and to who.
They have deported criminals as well as those who are not criminals but in the country illegally and don't qualify for asylum protection. They're even giving people the opportunity to self-deport and if they do, they can attempt to come back.

So.....Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. Let me make it a little uncomfortable for you. Due process is no immediate deportation (or expedited removal). There is a legal process to determine if they are actually here without asylum and other things like that. Some people didn't have an opportunity to show their paperwork. The SCOTUS even slammed ICE for not going through with it, since all people, regardless of citizenship, need due process.

So it sounds like you do support deporting people who are in a country illegally; You just don't like who is upholding the law. Did I get that right?

What would shock me is you not assuming everyone you don't agree with is racist.

btw You do know that during the Obama era, he deported close to 3 million people, of which, a significant number did not go through any judicial review and were expedited. You know that right?
"Deporter-in-Chief"? Ring any bells? More than all other presidents combined in the 20th century.

Does that make you want to injure someone in law enforcement for doing their job? Feel like setting cars on fire?

You rarely get anything right. So, let me be clear: the US economy is benefiting from these undocumented workers. Its the dirty little secret of the construction and agricultural industries, as well as places like hotels/motels/resorts (which Trump owns many...and probably has undocumented people working there today). They pay taxes but get virtually none of the benefits. They work hard jobs that most Americans do not want to do. They do not break the laws, and some are asylum seekers. Should they have snuck in? No. And, while I know conservatives LOVE to see things in black or white, there is a lot of grey. So, while I doubt anyone would have an issue if ICE just grabbed the drug dealers, human traffickers and rapists/murderers, they are going after marginalized people who are helping the community and economy.

Here's a shocker, I don't find people who disagree with me racist. I don't think they are inferior or intellectually ignorant. But, when someone says things that are basically dog whistles for racists, like your recent rants on DEI and woke-ness, that sort of helps draw some conclusions. I mean, you basically said @Shaquille Oatmeal got a job due to DEI, not because he was qualified. That....sounds pretty fucking racist. Oh, and fucking stupid as well....

As for Obama...if you did any research, you would know that the majority of those he deported had criminal records in the US....and should have been deported already. But, another point is that a majority of the laws and policies that triggered the increase in deportations came before he became president. So, it isn't like this was his policy.

As for ICE doing their jobs...As we've already established, Trump wanted to clean up the worst of the worst. So, why is he targeting those with jobs that pay taxes and keep their noses clean? Doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. And, it is interesting that he is targeting blue cities, LA, New York and Chicago. Sure, they have undocumented people working (and breaking the law), but why has Trump pulled back on raids at farms, construction sites and resorts, especially in most red states? Is that politics or law enforcement? And, after what happened in Minnesota, the fact that these ICE agents are wearing masks and refusing to show ID is pretty fucking scary. And, it also reeks of the Gestapo.

 

[Frankfooter]

So.....Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. Let me make it a little uncomfortable for you. Due process is no immediate deportation (or expedited removal). There is a legal process to determine if they are actually here without asylum and other things like that. Some people didn't have an opportunity to show their paperwork. The SCOTUS even slammed ICE for not going through with it, since all people, regardless of citizenship, need due process.



You rarely get anything right. So, let me be clear: the US economy is benefiting from these undocumented workers. Its the dirty little secret of the construction and agricultural industries, as well as places like hotels/motels/resorts (which Trump owns many...and probably has undocumented people working there today). They pay taxes but get virtually none of the benefits. They work hard jobs that most Americans do not want to do. They do not break the laws, and some are asylum seekers. Should they have snuck in? No. And, while I know conservatives LOVE to see things in black or white, there is a lot of grey. So, while I doubt anyone would have an issue if ICE just grabbed the drug dealers, human traffickers and rapists/murderers, they are going after marginalized people who are helping the community and economy.

Here's a shocker, I don't find people who disagree with me racist. I don't think they are inferior or intellectually ignorant. But, when someone says things that are basically dog whistles for racists, like your recent rants on DEI and woke-ness, that sort of helps draw some conclusions. I mean, you basically said @Shaquille Oatmeal got a job due to DEI, not because he was qualified. That....sounds pretty fucking racist. Oh, and fucking stupid as well....

As for Obama...if you did any research, you would know that the majority of those he deported had criminal records in the US....and should have been deported already. But, another point is that a majority of the laws and policies that triggered the increase in deportations came before he became president. So, it isn't like this was his policy.

As for ICE doing their jobs...As we've already established, Trump wanted to clean up the worst of the worst. So, why is he targeting those with jobs that pay taxes and keep their noses clean? Doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. And, it is interesting that he is targeting blue cities, LA, New York and Chicago. Sure, they have undocumented people working (and breaking the law), but why has Trump pulled back on raids at farms, construction sites and resorts, especially in most red states? Is that politics or law enforcement? And, after what happened in Minnesota, the fact that these ICE agents are wearing masks and refusing to show ID is pretty fucking scary. And, it also reeks of the Gestapo.

On top of that, undocumented workers pay more in taxes than amazon, Tesla or most billionaires.
trump's tariffs are killing the country already, but turfing its cheap illegal work force is just icing on the cake.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1935416488279581008

 

[Skoob]

Yes, post it and prove your claim.
You can't because you lied.

hahahaha last time I did that you just ignored it. Sorry, not falling for that again.

They are in the threads if you're not so lazy to find them yourself. Anyone can see them so no, I'm not lying. But then again, calling people liars is just another one of your distraction tactics.

Why are you so afraid of finding them yourself? Need more time to stall perhaps?

 

[Skoob]

So.....Ignorance is bliss, I suppose. Let me make it a little uncomfortable for you. Due process is no immediate deportation (or expedited removal). There is a legal process to determine if they are actually here without asylum and other things like that. Some people didn't have an opportunity to show their paperwork. The SCOTUS even slammed ICE for not going through with it, since all people, regardless of citizenship, need due process.



You rarely get anything right. So, let me be clear: the US economy is benefiting from these undocumented workers. Its the dirty little secret of the construction and agricultural industries, as well as places like hotels/motels/resorts (which Trump owns many...and probably has undocumented people working there today). They pay taxes but get virtually none of the benefits. They work hard jobs that most Americans do not want to do. They do not break the laws, and some are asylum seekers. Should they have snuck in? No. And, while I know conservatives LOVE to see things in black or white, there is a lot of grey. So, while I doubt anyone would have an issue if ICE just grabbed the drug dealers, human traffickers and rapists/murderers, they are going after marginalized people who are helping the community and economy.

Here's a shocker, I don't find people who disagree with me racist. I don't think they are inferior or intellectually ignorant. But, when someone says things that are basically dog whistles for racists, like your recent rants on DEI and woke-ness, that sort of helps draw some conclusions. I mean, you basically said @Shaquille Oatmeal got a job due to DEI, not because he was qualified. That....sounds pretty fucking racist. Oh, and fucking stupid as well....

As for Obama...if you did any research, you would know that the majority of those he deported had criminal records in the US....and should have been deported already. But, another point is that a majority of the laws and policies that triggered the increase in deportations came before he became president. So, it isn't like this was his policy.

As for ICE doing their jobs...As we've already established, Trump wanted to clean up the worst of the worst. So, why is he targeting those with jobs that pay taxes and keep their noses clean? Doesn't make a heck of a lot of sense. And, it is interesting that he is targeting blue cities, LA, New York and Chicago. Sure, they have undocumented people working (and breaking the law), but why has Trump pulled back on raids at farms, construction sites and resorts, especially in most red states? Is that politics or law enforcement? And, after what happened in Minnesota, the fact that these ICE agents are wearing masks and refusing to show ID is pretty fucking scary. And, it also reeks of the Gestapo.

Everything you are saying is either conjecture, cherry picking isolated events, or just not true. So I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you with facts only to have you come back with subjective opinions and zero proof. The facts are out there if you care to challenge your own bias.

Blue cities have allowed illegal immigrants to remain. Maybe they need more people to waive foreign flags while attacking police officers and looting stores? I dunno. Seems to me if they like their country of origin so much what are they doing in the US?
DEI policies are racist in themselves. Funny that you think being against DEI policies is racist. I think hiring someone based on the colour of their skin is racist don't you? No wonder many companies have abandoned them. Virtue signaling is so 2023.

Obama isn't the hero you thought he was. You seriously think 3 million deportations were only people with criminal records. Wow.

The only dog whistle here is the one that's telling you to get your cognitive bias under control.

Simple question: Do you support the rule of law and the ones who have been given the responsibility of enforcing it within our democracy or not?

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

hahahaha last time I did that you just ignored it. Sorry, not falling for that again.

Last time you did that, you humiliated yourself because what you posted directly disproved what you were claiming.
I guess you learned your lesson and have now resorted to bobbing and weaving around the question. lmfao.

 

[silentkisser]

Everything you are saying is either conjecture, cherry picking isolated events, or just not true. So I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you with facts only to have you come back with subjective opinions and zero proof. The facts are out there if you care to challenge your own bias.

Blue cities have allowed illegal immigrants to remain. Maybe they need more people to waive foreign flags while attacking police officers and looting stores? I dunno. Seems to me if they like their country of origin so much what are they doing in the US?
DEI policies are racist in themselves. Funny that you think being against DEI policies is racist. I think hiring someone based on the colour of their skin is racist don't you? No wonder many companies have abandoned them. Virtue signaling is so 2023.

Obama isn't the hero you thought he was. You seriously think 3 million deportations were only people with criminal records. Wow.

The only dog whistle here is the one that's telling you to get your cognitive bias under control.

Simple question: Do you support the rule of law and the ones who have been given the responsibility of enforcing it within our democracy or not?

Hilarious that you would say someone is cherry picking events or not providing facts. But, let's face it. You don't really have much to say besides your right-wing talking points that you parrot here.

As for the DEI policies, they are not hired because of the colour of their skin. Which, again, shows you only can parrot right-wing bullshit. DEI does not give a POC or other minority the job. It gives them the ability to be considered. No company has a quota (despite what Fox and Friends might say), and the successful applicant (either white or not) are qualified for the job. Thinking that a company hired an unqualified person because they were black or a woman is actaully pretty fucking racists, since you think that's the only reason they were able to get a job over a straight, while male....Skoob, just accept it, you don't like minorities. We get it. Trump allowed you to wave your hate flag. And, I like the fact that folks like you out yourselves.

And, for someone who supports Trump talking about law enforcement is a fucking joke. The asshole pardoned all the J6 fuckwits who assaulted police and broke the law. And then he's pardoned folks who committed other serious crimes (like fraud) because they gave him money. Is that good for any democracy, where scum bags can get out of jail by bribing the President? In some ways, I actually feel bad for you, and at the same time, I cannot believe someone with such a lack of critical thinking skills owns his own business, let alone two....

 

[Skoob]

Hilarious that you would say someone is cherry picking events or not providing facts. But, let's face it. You don't really have much to say besides your right-wing talking points that you parrot here.

As for the DEI policies, they are not hired because of the colour of their skin. Which, again, shows you only can parrot right-wing bullshit. DEI does not give a POC or other minority the job. It gives them the ability to be considered. No company has a quota (despite what Fox and Friends might say), and the successful applicant (either white or not) are qualified for the job. Thinking that a company hired an unqualified person because they were black or a woman is actaully pretty fucking racists, since you think that's the only reason they were able to get a job over a straight, while male....Skoob, just accept it, you don't like minorities. We get it. Trump allowed you to wave your hate flag. And, I like the fact that folks like you out yourselves.

And, for someone who supports Trump talking about law enforcement is a fucking joke. The asshole pardoned all the J6 fuckwits who assaulted police and broke the law. And then he's pardoned folks who committed other serious crimes (like fraud) because they gave him money. Is that good for any democracy, where scum bags can get out of jail by bribing the President? In some ways, I actually feel bad for you, and at the same time, I cannot believe someone with such a lack of critical thinking skills owns his own business, let alone two....

Diversity quotas exist. That's a fact. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/diversity-quotas-what-we-need-remind-ourselves-marcela-montero
If there are quotas, then companies strive to meet those quotas regardless if they are about visible minorities or gender.
So it's racist to hire someone based on quotas that involve the number of visible minorities you need to hire.

Sorry to burst your virtue-signaling bubble but you are the one who is actually supporting racist policies. Don't do the usual leftist thing where you accuse others of doing what you yourself are doing.

I asked you a simple question and you can't (or won't) answer it.

That's the answer I was expecting.

I'll leave you to your struggle now.