There are of course both practical and legal difficulties, but declaring a maritime exclusion zone a certain number of miles off-shore might also be a solution. However there a) has to be agreement among the maritime powers b) a willingness to sink Somali vessels with attendant loss of life.red said:
Somalia's Pirates vow revenge? Fuck them!!!
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Resources - or the lack thereof. Massive drought in the 70s, 80s and 90s.Aardvark154 said:
In recent times, it was also one of the major conflict areas of Cold War in Africa. That carried over into the Ethiopia-Somalia Ogaden conflict.
Yes, I'd agree that those have been factors. However, that has precious little to do with your orginal statement that it's all the fault of European Imperialism.Captain Fantastic said:
Me? A neo-con?!?! I just peed my pants giggling ... that was rich. Yeah my answer to everything criminal is a nuke. Glad you can extrapolate. Take a second job as a mind reader - you're so good at it buddy.Captain Fantastic said:I guess you don't see the irony in your post. A nuclear device is the ultimate coward's weapon.
Tell me, does your definition of criminal extend to former Presidents of the United States for waging an illegal and immoral war against a sovereign country? What about criminals in your own backyard? Do you drop a nuke there, your life and those of the innocents bedamned?
While it is true that the "White Man" caused a lot of damage to indigenous people up until about 50 years ago. It is also true that they brought the concept of democracy, medical and scientific advancement to many parts of the world as well. In 1898 the British marched into Hong Kong as conquorers and in 1997 the Hong Kong Chinese openly wept at the leaving of the Brits.Captain Fantastic said:
Also, let's not rewrite history. Slavery existed in Africa before the arrival of the White Man. There were slaughters among indigenous peopel in Central and South America before the arrival of the White Man. Yes, South American virgins were sacrificed at the alter before the arrival of the White Man.
Wow!!! That post just broke the needle of my bullshit meter right off!! Cool, I've never seen that before...Dewalt said:
Glad I have plenty of spares...Why is that?keyser said:Wow!!! That post just broke the needle of my bullshit meter right off!! Cool, I've never seen that before...Dewalt said:
If it for Dewalt's statment that Africans were deeply involved in the slave trade both to Europeans in West Africa and Arabs in East Africa, then may I suggest that your "bullshit meter" is just plain defective and you need to insert a new chip with a better history module.
It is almost always the same. Any discussion of any problem in the world inevitably comes back to blaming the "White Man". Meanwhile, non-white countries like China, India, Japan, etc. don't whine, they just concentrate on building their societies the best way they know how.
Somalia's Pirates are like little mosquitoes, they can't do shit to Americans. How many are there? 3 maybe 4 tops. Fuck em.
Yes, but don't forget that the White Man also marched into (if not over) China, India and Japan as well in the 1800's and 1900's. The Chinese signed a 99 year lease with Britain for Hong Kong at the point of a gun in 1898. Yet, the Hong Kong Chinese prospered under the British and adopted democracy, human rights, a free press, free trade, etc.WoodPeckr said:
For what it's worth I'm telling you it is truth that Africans were deeply involved in the slave trade. Do you think Europeans were marching around in the Tropical West African Jungles? Some Arabs did march around on the East African Plain but mostly they were content to sail over to the mainland from Zanzibarkeyser said:
In my opinion...
The problem in Somalia is much the same in many parts of Africa, though possibly to a greater degree. Much of Africa has not yet discovered what human rights are, compounded with the fact that it has not yet gone through an industrial revolution. Though there are countries, much of the 'ruling' of the population is still very tribal in the same way North America was before it was settled.
The difference being, Europe wanted to settle in North America, and was able to bring its culture, morals, and way of life, (though forcefully), and micro-manage it into growth and prosperity. This has happened not only in North America, but in South Africa, India, and to a lesser extent Hong Kong. Much of Africa is not a place that many want to settle in, as the environment is just too harsh, and the resources lacking.
So, with a tribal system of government which is close to anarchy, technology that is 1000 years behind the rest of the world, and an environment that is harsh enough to kill many of it citizens, there must be a huge amount of desperation for the people. A state where many feel that they have nothing to lose, as they have nothing to begin with.
This is the exact reason I feel that throwing money at Africa will never solve the problems. Until they are 'forcefully taken over', and a system of democracy, (or communism) is made mandatory, and some sort of 'industrial revolution' takes place, things cannot improve.
The problem in Somalia is much the same in many parts of Africa, though possibly to a greater degree. Much of Africa has not yet discovered what human rights are, compounded with the fact that it has not yet gone through an industrial revolution. Though there are countries, much of the 'ruling' of the population is still very tribal in the same way North America was before it was settled.
The difference being, Europe wanted to settle in North America, and was able to bring its culture, morals, and way of life, (though forcefully), and micro-manage it into growth and prosperity. This has happened not only in North America, but in South Africa, India, and to a lesser extent Hong Kong. Much of Africa is not a place that many want to settle in, as the environment is just too harsh, and the resources lacking.
So, with a tribal system of government which is close to anarchy, technology that is 1000 years behind the rest of the world, and an environment that is harsh enough to kill many of it citizens, there must be a huge amount of desperation for the people. A state where many feel that they have nothing to lose, as they have nothing to begin with.
This is the exact reason I feel that throwing money at Africa will never solve the problems. Until they are 'forcefully taken over', and a system of democracy, (or communism) is made mandatory, and some sort of 'industrial revolution' takes place, things cannot improve.
LOL!!!james t kirk said:The Somali Pirates vow revenge eh....
"Bring it on"
I know it comical to hear these punk pirates threaten now.
What the fark they going to do, against the USN????
I don't know why these ships are unarmed?
It must be some international laws.
If these ships had some auto weapons and a cheap simple 50 cal machine gun, pirates wouldn't have a chance. Ship radar would pick up approaching pirates and the 50 cal machine gun would blow them out of the water.
My reaction was more a result of the flippant post, not so much to dispute it. None of us were there, so it's difficult, if not impossible, to make absolute statements, or to dispute absolutely, statements by others. Yes, the slave trade has existed for thousands of years in that region and by Africans, not Europeans. But is the thousand year old slave trade, predating European colonialism, the root cause for pirates attacking merchant ships in 2009?Aardvark154 said:
