Somalia's Pirates vow revenge? Fuck them!!!

[JEFF247]

"From now on, if we capture foreign ships and their respective countries try to attack us, we will kill them (the hostages)," Jamac Habeb, a 30-year-old pirate, told the Associated Press from one of Somalia's piracy hubs, Eyl. "(U.S. forces have) become our No. 1 enemy."

So what should we have done? Brought millions of dollars along and thrown it at them? I hope we set up a blockade around that stinking country and sink anything that enters the water.

Yeah, we're supposed to just sit there as hostages and ask them how much money they want today.

 

[red]

how about destroying all their boats?

 

[IndianDude]

Somali is a country with no government, so no rules. unfortunately there are innocents that live in that country so any action taken they get affected.
What a sad situation.
But I agree Pirates should be treated with force.
Or maybe ships should stay away from that country.

 

[JEFF247]

"Somali is a country with no government, so no rules....."

The problem is that the whole continent of Africa is a mess. If there was some sign of law and order, in some of the countries, there might be a chance.

 

[Mr. Piggy]

That country is one fucked up place. I saw on CP24 news this morning that a Samali court wouldn't annul the marrage of an 8 year old girl to a 47 year old man. These people are fucking sick to allow that kind of thing to happen. The judge who wouldn't annul the marrage should be taken out then shot, pissed on, tar and feathered but not necessarily in that order.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

"Somali is a country with no government, so no rules....."

The problem is that the whole continent of Africa is a mess. If there was some sign of law and order, in some of the countries, there might be a chance.

You can thank the European colonists for that. Going in to uncharted land, raping and pillaging the continent by enslaving the people, tearing apart entire regional cultures, alliances and trading partners and then abandoning it afterward - only to continue to do so from afar (along with other emerging powers like Russia, China, the US, etc.) by using things like propped-up dictators, multinational corporations, the World Bank and the IMF to do their bidding.

That sort of thing takes scores of years to undo - so long as there is the actual will to do so. A good first step would be to stop selling arms and, more importantly, munitions to the continent. Debt forgiveness would be a very close second. Setting up and securing fair and equitable trade with countries that have resources (including tourism) would help. Not trying to force/impose European or Asian or other religions/values upon the people immediately or as conditions for aid is another good step. The list is long, but a first step would be to just stop and respect that these are people we're talking about here - they may not look like the majority of Europeans or North Americans, but at their core, they hold the same values: family, a better life, safety, security, etc. We have to look what is similar before we dissect the differences into "us" and "them".

 

[nottyboi]

THe pirates operate out of villages and pay the local authorities. It woudl cost a few hundred million to police the waters in that area. It would only cost a few million to wipe out those villages. I think the locals are starting to realize they are signing their own death warrant by condoning this. We shall see, but I expect more force and violence

 

[IndianDude]

THe pirates operate out of villages and pay the local authorities. It woudl cost a few hundred million to police the waters in that area. It would only cost a few million to wipe out those villages. I think the locals are starting to realize they are signing their own death warrant by condoning this. We shall see, but I expect more force and violence

The locals are too scared and powerless to do anything about it.

 

[Hybridel]

These pirates need to be dealt with forcefully.

Throwing millions at them is only going to feed the fire, and show them they can get away with this kinda shit.


Start arming the crews, send special forces to re-gain the ship, bomb the hell out of their home ports


very little is being done about this problem

 

[great bear]

how about destroying all their boats?

Its aboat time!

 

[stang]

That sort of thing takes scores of years to undo - so long as there is the actual will to do so. A good first step would be to stop selling arms and, more importantly, munitions to the continent. Debt forgiveness would be a very close second. Setting up and securing fair and equitable trade with countries that have resources (including tourism) would help. Not trying to force/impose European or Asian or other religions/values upon the people immediately or as conditions for aid is another good step. The list is long, but a first step would be to just stop and respect that these are people we're talking about here - they may not look like the majority of Europeans or North Americans, but at their core, they hold the same values: family, a better life, safety, security, etc. We have to look what is similar before we dissect the differences into "us" and "them".

Pretty well said. Though it may be a challenge to promote the tourism part to the average traveller.

Right now Somalia is a country by name and history only. It's getting on so long now that the newest generation of youth there do not know any different and are growing up desperate and lawless. They have nothing, so therefore they have nothing to lose by these tactics. Who can even start to say what the solution is.

 

[Davy.Biggie]

stang,
who's the girl in the green hat???

 

[red]

Its aboat time!

though, to be clear, I don't harbour any ill will

 

[great bear]

though, to be clear, I don't harbour any ill will

If it was up to you I think you woud keel them all.

 

[Inferno]

Another thread sunk by puns...

 

[DistantVoyeur]

Take a page out of the british war book. When they went to war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands they announced they had submarines in the area, the entire Argentina fleet ran for port.
Except send some just off the coast. Any boat approaches a merchant ship without reason, sink it.

 

[great bear]

Another thread sunk by puns...

we are just being knotty.

 

[nottyboi]

The locals are too scared and powerless to do anything about it.

Not necessarily, most villages are controlled and protected by warlords and armed gangs. They can resist the pirates, but are paid to cooperate. Once they believe the continued presence of the pirates means wholesale destruction, I think they will push the pirates out. I think the US is sending a soft signal and probably messaging the warlords as well. If they don't bring the pirates to heel, a village will be wiped out as an example. Pretty brutal. but such is reality.

 

[The Oracle]

Where's Bush when he's needed.

 

[Dewalt]

Captain Fantastic: You can thank the European colonists for that. Going in to uncharted land, raping and pillaging the continent by enslaving the people, tearing apart entire regional cultures, alliances and trading partners and then abandoning it afterward - only to continue to do so from afar (along with other emerging powers like Russia, China, the US, etc.) by using things like propped-up dictators, multinational corporations, the World Bank and the IMF to do their bidding."

Horseshit, it was a fucked up continent long before the Europeans came along and don't go for the "years of slavery decimated the cultural ties" because African's were the ones selling the slaves to the Europeans.

I say let the Somali pirates try to pick on the US, they will soon all be dead and the high seas commerce can resume as normal.

As for the rest of the mess, people can only be empowered if they want to be.

Cold I know, but I don't want my tax dollars wasted in a black hole that will still be a stinking mess 50 yrs from now.