Solar roads?

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Awesome if they can get them to work but

He estimates it would cost $4.4 million (U.S.) just to lay down one mile of solar-powered road. Still, he believes the cost of the new technology would be more than offset by the clean energy it would provide the U.S. or any other country.


It would cost 51,832,000,000 US dollars to pave Yonge street :)

So it's going to be quite awhile before this happens.
 

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I thought of the idea of solar metal strips running down are streets and highways back in 2005.

I cannot believe an idea coming from my brain, is now an idea that maybe considered as a revolutionary way to stop snow from falling to the ground and taking up parking spaces on our streets.

I also thought of the sony walkman type concept back as a kid in 1980, except with my design the cassets would be in the ear piece, and it would look as though the person wearing it would have a Princes Leah type hair doo.

Where does one go to take these great ideas and get funding? I have so many kicking around in my head.
Is the dragons den still looking for participants?
 

LateComer

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Awesome if they can get them to work but

He estimates it would cost $4.4 million (U.S.) just to lay down one mile of solar-powered road. Still, he believes the cost of the new technology would be more than offset by the clean energy it would provide the U.S. or any other country.


It would cost 51,832,000,000 US dollars to pave Yonge street :)

So it's going to be quite awhile before this happens.
It may make sense for driveways though.
 

nottyboi

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You would only use this technology in urban areas where the energy can be used. So you would do the 20 miles of Yonge street in toronto which would cost about 100M....each mile would produce about 6000 KWH of power per day. Which amounts to about $219K/year of revenue per mile. A non solar road apparently costs about 1.25M.
 

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It could power giant air conditioners to cool the road in summer as well as drying it with fans when it rains.
 

nottyboi

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Dream merchants always come up with crap like this.

We have no shortage of space to put solar power panels.

BUT.

The sun hasn't shone in Toronto for many days, and when it does for eight months of the year it does so for relatively short periods of time and at low angles.

I saw a 60 Minutes episode in which the Saudi oil minister said that they are investing heavily with their virtually unlimited oil money on solar power technology. Because as he said so clearly, if there is ONE thing that Saudi Arabia has more of then oil, it is sunshine! He said they'd LOVE to have a huge power line carrying electricity to Europe and make lots of money that way too.

But, he said that solar tech simply does not make economic sense... yet. But when it does the Saudi's want to be first out of the gate.

So the idea someone is putting forth of of putting fragile solar panels under a road is nothing more than a professional dream merchant/grant sucking researcher putting out what he thinks is a newsworthy trendy place for some government types to "invest"/flush their money down the drain on.
They are not gonna use roof panels for the road. Sure it's high risk technology, but that is where it all starts. Imagine if someone 30 years ago claimed they could make cloth that could stop a bullet Glass can stop bullets, and is already used in some pretty demanding applications. Aircraft windshields, car windshields etc etc. But of course your willingness to consider new technology or explore new possibilities is pretty much mirrors our country... which is why we are increasingly drawers of water and hewers of wood.
 

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The USA has wasted so much money bombing the middle east, bank bail outs, we could had done this. But no, we wanted GWB and not Al Gore.

Why I'm not too worry about running out of oil, solar is a big maybe. I heard a theory that mirrors in outer space could beam down a lazer beam of energy 24 hours a day--since the mirrors would be in space were the sun always shine.
 

S.C. Joe

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Yeah what happen to Tboy
 

nottyboi

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Are you just playing stupid tboy as if you don't know I live in Toronto or are you really stupid and pretending so as to continue your nottyboi is NOT TBOY ruse?

We all know it is you. Not sure about how it works with being banned and reconsituting yourself etc but you aren't fooling anyone.

But back to the main issue.

As to new technology and my acceptance of it. I pursue it. For real, not by the newspaper and internet "research"/

Let me give you one clue of the business' I'm involved in. One is a joint venture I direct with an Institute of the Fraunhofer Society in Germany. It is a relatively small project but still too complicated for you to understand how the business of science and research works. But for anyone who knows science, intellectual property and their commercialization knows Fraunhofer. And they know how the primary job of any scientists in universities is to GET MONEY! IN the US, the press gushing over such ridiculous proposals is one of the last resorts of quacks. These ideas are announced through press releases. Not peer reviewed papers. They are laughable. The difference between Fraunhofer and many North American university grant whores, Fraunhofer scientists actually need to make their tech useful.

So. Solar tech under roads?

Why? Are we out of open space to install solar panels?

The underlying photovoltaic technology is not ripe for anything except subsidized electrical rates or remote applications where bringing in lines is expensive. As in Ontario's FIT program. Improving photovoltaic technology is ONE issue. Separate from where the panels are located.

Even IF the tech was ripe, putting the panels under a ROAD is stupid when there is MORE empty space along the shoulder, ditch, median etc never mind the billions of acres of vacant land bordering most highways.

Flat panels along a road are stupid for many reasons.

1. The panels are FLAT! Efficiency of fixed panels are dramatically improved when the panels are tilted to the sun depending on the latitude of the location. Unless you are at the equator and land is SO scarce so as that the only empty space available is a road, it is STUPID.

2. Dirt. Even dust on the glass panels reduces power output. Running rubber tires over any surface will deposit rubber on that surface. BLACK rubber. And any texture on the glass for traction will further scatter light.

But you have to invoke tboy logic and say that unless we all blindly embrace any cockamamie proposal that we are neanderthals. To the contrary, thinking people with critical thinking skills can see through such "if we can save one child" pitches.

How would Hwy 11 work for this solar roads the past couple of months?
I assume you live in TO. What makes you think I don't? No one said it was without it's problems, but it is possible roads made from some glass composite could be MORE durable then asphalt or concrete. There are no limits on material science. How do you know this guy is not doing real research or in fact what research he has done? You can give up on your Tboy theories. yes flat panels are much less efficient, HYW 11 would probably have generated less electricity last 2 months but it would have done great all summer and it would have generated enough electricity to keep itself free of snow probably.
 

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It would only be on certain areas, the heat can be stored beneath the roadway. I deny I am tboy I have done so many times yet you seem too dense to clue in. Funny how asphalt is used on roads and roofs and your German friends have come up with a product to replace asphalt singles with solar panels. Lots of things would have to be improved and clearly not all the solutions are in place. Imagine if you were in 1910 and proposed building aeroplanes out of metal.... or if in 1940 you proposed to build a warplane out of wood !!! Yet both those things were done with great success.
 

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I'm still waiting for my flying car, was the talk in the 1960's. For every idea that works, many do not.
 

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I'm still waiting for my flying car, was the talk in the 1960's. For every idea that works, many do not.
making a flying car is not the problem... dealing with the flaming wreckage falling from the sky is the real problem.
 

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Not a chance! Your rabid defence of your initial flawed premises even in the light of new information proves it.

As does your adjacent refusal to deny you are tboy. And one thing I will say about tboy is he is a well intentioned and HONEST guy. So you not lying and denying despite many challenges reinforces this! <wink>
... and just like tboy, nothing is funnier than when he becomes Mr Science & Technology. He really is the Cliff Clavin of terb.
 

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...rabid defence of your initial flawed premises...
If that makes someone tboy, then you are also tboy if you can't let go of this flawed premise.
There's a lot of rabid tboys on here, whoever heard of a terb poster changing their mind and accepting they could be wrong?
 

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last evening traffic here in Michigan on a big interstate, I-696 was moving 70 to 85 mph. It was freezing outside. How long does anybody think an electric car battery would last driving 130 km/h in below freezing weather?

Came back from outside and snow was on the car, I brushed it off and did 65 to 80 mph on the way back.

That is another thing, won't snow collect on solar panels?
 

nottyboi

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I know more than a little about Paul Moller and his Skycar. And scam artist dream merchants like him.

Suffice to say there is one born every minute, scam artists and marks alike!

They instil grandiose dreams into vulnerable simple minded dreamers who think they know more than they do. And the harder anyone tries to dissuade them the more they set the hook deeper in themselves. (hello nottyboi!)

Moller's business, like many academics and professors, is sucking up research money. It is never actually carrying it out, it is raising money for research.

Moller is also a prolific litigious predator who attacks anyone who accuses him of fraud. The SEC didn't back down and cut off his blood supply. He recently filed Chapter 11
The moller skycar may very well have been a fraud, but that does not negate the viability of future personal flying transportation. Making small, efficient flying vehicle is not really hard, controlling thousands of flying machines and airspace is the real challenge. Imagine if 100 years ago you said you were going to smash atoms with neutrons and release energy. No one says these solar roads will be built anytime soon, but it is an interesting idea. You are just jealous this guy can raise capital for his scheme. Naysayers like you ensure our country will always be a resource extracting backwater feeding raw materials to other countries as they move further and further ahead.
 
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nottyboi

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last evening traffic here in Michigan on a big interstate, I-696 was moving 70 to 85 mph. It was freezing outside. How long does anybody think an electric car battery would last driving 130 km/h in below freezing weather?

Came back from outside and snow was on the car, I brushed it off and did 65 to 80 mph on the way back.

That is another thing, won't snow collect on solar panels?
Depends on how far you drove, one a battery starts getting drained, it will generate heat. Sure snow will cover solar panels, but the stored heat should melt it.
 

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Well yeah come back 100 years and maybe solar-electric cars will be getting started, ha ha. I mean maybe in this weather people will really be using electric cars. Right now they are for going to the beach in nice weather.

You look back 40 years, we really haven't came that far. There was cars getting mid 30's mpg and now today we got a few 40 mpg cars. We been stuck for awhile. No breakthroughs have happen lately. Its still a small engine/light car for best mpg.

I would LOVE to get free power from the sun. I'm not looking forward to gassing up my hot rod car this spring. Afraid I'm going to have to change the gearing to slow the engine down to save fuel. $20 was going too fast last fall and now gas cost even more, yuk.

I will say I think the oil companies--and governments--are all for us using oil for the time being.
 
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