Smitherman for mayor

[spankingman]

He will the get the Gay vote but thats about it I think.He 's cost this Province millions and Caplan had to fall on his sword because of it .Old Dalt didnt want to do what he should have done and that was to can Smithys ass.

And Im not a TO resident,mayabe a good thing with this announcement.

 

[ogibowt]

Smitherman is just another career politician, who sees no future for himself in provincial politics,,so hey..he might as well run for mayor...not out of public service, but to put another notch in his belt..another title on a resume..

 

[Never Compromised]

No kidding eh!

The point being of course is that the politicians are part of the PROBLEM, not part of the SOLUTION.

And this is why the problem will never go away. **sigh**

Without politicians we would be living in a dictatorship. Are you really suggesting that having Hitler run Canada would be a better solution?

 

[Never Compromised]

If I had a vote in Toronto it would probably go to Smitherman or the young lad who chairs the TTC. Politically I am much closer to Tory than either of the others, but with the make up of the city, I think Smitherman would be more in touch with the population. Regardless it will be an interesting election. cheers GB

You would want a politician who has squandered almost a billion dollars on e-health or some rug rat that can't figure out how to run the TTC as mayor? Give your head a shake man!

While I certainly prefer John Tory to the other potential candidates, I'm not convinced he is running. And unless he gets off the pot pretty damn quick, the "machine" will be lining up behind Smitherman. Tory has 10 days or less to declare his intentions, after that he won't have a snowball's chance of picking up anything other than political scraps for campaign staff.

 

[lurkerjoe]

You would want a politician who has squandered almost a billion dollars on e-health or some rug rat that can't figure out how to run the TTC as mayor? Give your head a shake man!

While I certainly prefer John Tory to the other potential candidates, I'm not convinced he is running. And unless he gets off the pot pretty damn quick, the "machine" will be lining up behind Smitherman. Tory has 10 days or less to declare his intentions, after that he won't have a snowball's chance of picking up anything other than political scraps for campaign staff.

Good points, especially about that Dipper bastard who runs the TTC. If that jackass gets into the mayor's seat he'll raise taxes like he raises TTC fares.

I hope John Tory doesn't run. Don't want to split the centre-right vote and have another Dipper as mayor. Believe it or not, Smitherman isn't a lefty liberal. As The Star quotes someone saying, "take away the gay and he's a centre-right guy who likes to throw his weight around."

Smitherman may be a jerk, but he's the jerk we need to smash his way through the basket case that is Toronto. Give him one term to fix Toronto's finances and piss off the unions and corporate leeches that rip-off the City. Then elect John Tory as mayor to stabilize and manage Toronto for the next two to three terms.

 

[spankingman]

Good points, especially about that Dipper bastard who runs the TTC. If that jackass gets into the mayor's seat he'll raise taxes like he raises TTC fares.

I hope John Tory doesn't run. Don't want to split the centre-right vote and have another Dipper as mayor. Believe it or not, Smitherman isn't a lefty liberal. As The Star quotes someone saying, "take away the gay and he's a centre-right guy who likes to throw his weight around."

Smitherman may be a jerk, but he's the jerk we need to smash his way through the basket case that is Toronto. Give him one term to fix Toronto's finances and piss off the unions and corporate leeches that rip-off the City. Then elect John Tory as mayor to stabilize and manage Toronto for the next two to three terms.

GOD forbid if SMILIN' JACK puts his or is it OLIVIA'S hat in the ring!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Cycleguy007]

Without politicians we would be living in a dictatorship. Are you really suggesting that having Hitler run Canada would be a better solution?

Give your head a shake man... I am not suggesting that in the least. I suggest you go back and read my other posts in this thread to get a better idea of what I AM suggesting.

But since your obviously too lazy to do that (or you would have already), lemme make it easy for you:

Lets downsize the amount of politicians in Provincial and Federal politics as well! Say 1 member for every 250,000 citizens provincially and I member for every 500,000 citizens federally- that would give you 66 members for the country and about 45 for the province. Oh, and they have to count all the "None of the Aboves" too! If the none-of-the above votes are the highest in any particular riding- ALL those politicians are tossed and new ones will be selected.

And make the "pension" less ludiculous! (I just made up that word- cross between ludicrous and ridiculous!)

 

[landscaper]

You would want a politician who has squandered almost a billion dollars on e-health or some rug rat that can't figure out how to run the TTC as mayor? Give your head a shake man!

While I certainly prefer John Tory to the other potential candidates, I'm not convinced he is running. And unless he gets off the pot pretty damn quick, the "machine" will be lining up behind Smitherman. Tory has 10 days or less to declare his intentions, after that he won't have a snowball's chance of picking up anything other than political scraps for campaign staff.

John Tory has a couple of months befor he has to declare his intentions. Nobody can do any fundrtaising or campainging until next year and the money men and fund raisers will be waiting for him to make and anouncement not the other way around.

If he runs it will not split the conservative( such as it is in toronto) vote . Most of the other " conservative " candidates will bow out as soon as he runs for 2 reasons. 1) They will not have a chance with him in the race and 2) They don't want to be the one who splits the vote, and actually there is a third reason. Most of the candidates are councilors, they won't want to give up almost certain reelection on a losing cause.

 

[5hummer]

Just curious.
Can someone list/link some of John Tory's accomplishments?
(All I know is he's lost twice in major races)

 

[landscaper]

Here is a partial bio hope it helps

Tory is the son of John A. Tory, president of Thomson Investments Limited and a director of Rogers Communications. He has been married to Barbara Hackett since 1978. From 1972 to 1979, Tory was hired by family friend Ted Rogers as a journalist for Rogers Broadcasting's Toronto radio stations CFTR and CHFI.

Before enrolling in university, he attended the University of Toronto Schools, a private high school affiliated with the University of Toronto.

Tory received his Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Trinity College, University of Toronto in 1975. He received his Bachelor of Laws degree in 1978 from Osgoode Hall Law School of York University. He was called to the bar in Ontario in 1980.

From 1980 to 1981, and later from 1986 to 1995, Tory held various positions at his father's Toronto law firm Tory, Tory, DesLauriers & Binnington, including partner, managing partner, and member of the Executive Committee.

From 1981 to 1985, Tory served in the Office of the Premier of Ontario, Bill Davis as Principal Secretary to the Premier and Associate Secretary of the Cabinet. In 1985, Davis retired as Premier. Tory joined the Office of the Canadian Special Envoy on Acid Rain, as Special Advisor to the Special Envoy. The Special Envoy had been appointed by the federal government of Brian Mulroney to review matters of air quality with a United States counterpart. Tory supported Dianne Cunningham's bid to lead the provincial Progressive Conservative Party in 1990 (Toronto Star, 3 May 1990).

Tory later served as Tour Director and Campaign Chairman to then Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and managed the 1993 federal election campaign of Mulroney's successor, Kim Campbell. Tory was criticized for approving a 1993 election ad that mocked Liberal Party leader Jean Chrétien's facial deformity (although the Conservatives denied that was the ad's intention). The Conservatives suffered the most lopsided defeat for a governing party at the federal level in Canadian history, losing half their vote from 1988 and all but two of their 151 seats.

From 1995 to 1999, he returned to Rogers Communications Inc., but this time as president and CEO of Rogers Media[5] which had become one of Canada's largest publishing and broadcasting companies. Rogers has interests in radio and television stations, specialty television channels, consumer magazines, trade magazines and, at the time, the Toronto Sun and the Sun newspaper chain. In 1999, he became president and CEO of Rogers subsidiary Rogers Cable,[5] Canada's largest cable television company and a leading video rental chain and cable Internet provider. He led it through a period of transition from a monopoly environment to an open marketplace, overseeing a significant increase in operating income. Tory stepped down after Ted Rogers announced that he would stay on as President and CEO of parent company Rogers Communications.

Tory also served as commissioner of the Canadian Football League from 1996 to 2000.[5]

Tory continued to have an interest in being a broadcaster throughout his life and, as a Rogers executive, hosted a public affairs program on Rogers Cable's community access channel for many years.

 

[5hummer]

Here is a partial bio hope it helps

Tory is the son of John A. Tory, president of Thomson Investments Limited and a director of Rogers Communications. He has been married to Barbara Hackett since 1978. From 1972 to 1979, Tory was hired by family friend Ted Rogers as a journalist for Rogers Broadcasting's Toronto radio stations CFTR and CHFI.

Before enrolling in university, he attended the University of Toronto Schools, a private high school affiliated with the University of Toronto.

Tory received his Bachelor of Arts degree from the University of Trinity College, University of Toronto in 1975. He received his Bachelor of Laws degree in 1978 from Osgoode Hall Law School of York University. He was called to the bar in Ontario in 1980.

From 1980 to 1981, and later from 1986 to 1995, Tory held various positions at his father's Toronto law firm Tory, Tory, DesLauriers & Binnington, including partner, managing partner, and member of the Executive Committee.

From 1981 to 1985, Tory served in the Office of the Premier of Ontario, Bill Davis as Principal Secretary to the Premier and Associate Secretary of the Cabinet. In 1985, Davis retired as Premier. Tory joined the Office of the Canadian Special Envoy on Acid Rain, as Special Advisor to the Special Envoy. The Special Envoy had been appointed by the federal government of Brian Mulroney to review matters of air quality with a United States counterpart. Tory supported Dianne Cunningham's bid to lead the provincial Progressive Conservative Party in 1990 (Toronto Star, 3 May 1990).

Tory later served as Tour Director and Campaign Chairman to then Prime Minister Brian Mulroney, and managed the 1993 federal election campaign of Mulroney's successor, Kim Campbell. Tory was criticized for approving a 1993 election ad that mocked Liberal Party leader Jean Chrétien's facial deformity (although the Conservatives denied that was the ad's intention). The Conservatives suffered the most lopsided defeat for a governing party at the federal level in Canadian history, losing half their vote from 1988 and all but two of their 151 seats.

From 1995 to 1999, he returned to Rogers Communications Inc., but this time as president and CEO of Rogers Media[5] which had become one of Canada's largest publishing and broadcasting companies. Rogers has interests in radio and television stations, specialty television channels, consumer magazines, trade magazines and, at the time, the Toronto Sun and the Sun newspaper chain. In 1999, he became president and CEO of Rogers subsidiary Rogers Cable,[5] Canada's largest cable television company and a leading video rental chain and cable Internet provider. He led it through a period of transition from a monopoly environment to an open marketplace, overseeing a significant increase in operating income. Tory stepped down after Ted Rogers announced that he would stay on as President and CEO of parent company Rogers Communications.

Tory also served as commissioner of the Canadian Football League from 1996 to 2000.[5]

Tory continued to have an interest in being a broadcaster throughout his life and, as a Rogers executive, hosted a public affairs program on Rogers Cable's community access channel for many years.

Hmmmm, so a man born with a platinum spoon wants to be Mayor?

 

[Questor]

Are U insane? He would be a disaster. Worse than Miller.

The nice thing is that after hitting bottom with Lastman, we'll never have a mayor that bad again.

teh energy ministry and the Premier just announce to great fanfair over the weekend, the openingh of teh first solar farm in canada, In Napanee to be exact.

They announced to great fanfair and trumpets that they were paying the vendor the amount of


42 cents per kilowatt hour, my current billing amount is 5.6 cents per kilowatt hour.

These folks assume everybody will be fine paying 800% more for power because it is green solar power.

That does seem to be an excessively high price. I have a feeling there is more to this story.

Solar power does not infact peak when demand peaks, demand in Ontarion peaks between about 4PM and 7PM . Have you looked out the window during that period lately? Oh you can't because its dark out there.

Seems to me the peak time for power consumption would be summer time with all those air conditioners going. Also peak time for solar power generation.

There is also the snow issue, how do you clear the panels so that they can operate? We are talking about 100+ acres of solar panels, a herd of labourers with brooms?

What's the problem with this? Any power generating plant requires a maintenance crew. But I dont think they would hire a herd.

 

[Cycleguy007]

Actually it's three times:

Lost 2003 Toronto Mayor's race to David Miller;

Lost 2007 Provincial Election (Don Valley West) to Kathleen Wynne;

Lost 2009 By-election (Haliburton-Kawartha Lakes-Brock) to Rick Johnson.

So, he's either due for a WIN, or he's always a bridesmaid, never a bride?

 

[spankingman]

Just curious.
Can someone list/link some of John Tory's accomplishments?
(All I know is he's lost twice in major races)

He ran the CFL for a while.Is that a good thing or an ACOMPLISHMENT?

 

[landscaper]

The nice thing is that after hitting bottom with Lastman, we'll never have a mayor that bad again.
That does seem to be an excessively high price. I have a feeling there is more to this story.


Seems to me the peak time for power consumption would be summer time with all those air conditioners going. Also peak time for solar power generation.



What's the problem with this? Any power generating plant requires a maintenance crew. But I dont think they would hire a herd.

There is the Premier and the energy minister have a dream and unfortunatly we get to pay for it, same as full day kindergarten


Peak to generally is when people get home from work summer or winter and the highst usage occurs at that time . In the summer it can be higher but the sun time available is minimal, the point being the bulk of the solar power generation occurs during the full daylight hours.

Most power plants would not have to have people out with brooms in winter weather sweeping off in excess of a hundred acres of delicate solar panels. In no way economical and freezing rain has not been talked about.

The whole point here is the technology is not anywhere near usable in our climate at our latitude. If you want to develop it fine find sombody who could use the extra power such as a manufacturer and subsidize it through them, donèt foist an imature technology on the province with the costs being paid by the taxpayer.

 

[Questor]

There is the Premier and the energy minister have a dream and unfortunatly we get to pay for it, same as full day kindergarten

Full day kindergarten? Let me guess. You don't have any kids. I am sorry that the government cannot limit its programs to those that you have a use for, but the reality is that most in our society do have kids, do work during the day, and do need to put their kids somewhere while they are at work. This is an important public service.

Peak to generally is when people get home from work summer or winter and the highst usage occurs at that time . In the summer it can be higher but the sun time available is minimal, the point being the bulk of the solar power generation occurs during the full daylight hours.

Most power plants would not have to have people out with brooms in winter weather sweeping off in excess of a hundred acres of delicate solar panels. In no way economical and freezing rain has not been talked about.


The whole point here is the technology is not anywhere near usable in our climate at our latitude. If you want to develop it fine find sombody who could use the extra power such as a manufacturer and subsidize it through them, donèt foist an imature technology on the province with the costs being paid by the taxpayer.

Yes, I know that the daily peak is after work when people cook dinner. And I pointed out to you that the peak season is summer when there is lots of sunshine, even after work during peak hours.

Germany is way ahead of us in advancing solar energy. They are farther north than southern Ontario and yet they manage to make it work.

Green energy can create jobs instead of costing tax payers money.

I suppose you support nuclear energy? All those nuclear plants that don't work and have put the province how many billions of dollars in debt? And its not really tax payers that are paying for the solar energy. User pays. Maybe you could try to cut down on your electricity use and save your money that way.

 

[OddSox]

Full day kindergarten? Let me guess. You don't have any kids. I am sorry that the government cannot limit its programs to those that you have a use for, but the reality is that most in our society do have kids, do work during the day, and do need to put their kids somewhere while they are at work. This is an important public service.

So it's not for their education? Funny, that's what the government says. If it's just daycare why are we paying university educated teachers to take care of the little tykes?

 

[Questor]

So it's not for their education? Funny, that's what the government says. If it's just daycare why are we paying university educated teachers to take care of the little tykes?

Of course its a baby sitting service...that also has educational value. Just like grades 1-12. Is that such a difficult concept to grasp. LOL

I could be wrong, but I thought I heard that there would be day care workers as well as teachers in the class.

 

[Cycleguy007]

Lost 2007 Provincial Election (Don Valley West) to Kathleen Wynne;

He may just have squeaked out a win in 2007 if he didn't go off half cocked about faith based schools. If I recall, he was leading in the polls until news of his idea on this policy hit the media...

 

[landscaper]

Full day kindergarten? Let me guess. You don't have any kids. I am sorry that the government cannot limit its programs to those that you have a use for, but the reality is that most in our society do have kids, do work during the day, and do need to put their kids somewhere while they are at work. This is an important public service.
Yes, I know that the daily peak is after work when people cook dinner. And I pointed out to you that the peak season is summer when there is lots of sunshine, even after work during peak hours.

Germany is way ahead of us in advancing solar energy. They are farther north than southern Ontario and yet they manage to make it work.

Green energy can create jobs instead of costing tax payers money.

I suppose you support nuclear energy? All those nuclear plants that don't work and have put the province how many billions of dollars in debt? And its not really tax payers that are paying for the solar energy. User pays. Maybe you could try to cut down on your electricity use and save your money that way.

I really don't know where to start with this.

Germany, for the most part Germany has a climate that is warmer than Ontario. The location of the Solar farm is not in Southern Ontario it is in Northern Ontario hense the problems with the weather and sunlight availability.

The fact of the matter is that Solar, Wind and other forms of Green Energy will never in their present incarnation be able to take over any part of the base load electrical production. Wind power at presentr is at most 30% efficient and thats when the wind is blowing, solar power is a fraction of that. Why should the general population pay for experiments on this scale. 800% of teh price we now pay for electrical power is a premium that in my opinion is far to high for the privilidge of saying WE ARE Green.

Now onto full day kindergarten. It is glorified daycare nothing more . And to quote YOU from this post user pay. Why should people who as you say don't have children be forced to pay for other peoples day care?

AS far as the choice of power generation for base load usage I support what ever is the most reliable and the most economical. Nuclear from a cost per kilowatt hour point of view is the most economical way to produce electricty. The fact that the people who coordinated the engineering of the plants caused massive cxonstruction overruns should be taken out of their pay it would have brought them in on budget at any rate.

As far as green energy creating jobs and not costing money a couple of things.

A university in Madrid did a study on the permanence and cost effectiveness of the Green Energy job industry. Their conclusions were the jobs cost more and were not permanent. I will try to find the study its around here somewhere.

The other thing is I think there is an echo in here, an echo from way back into the 60's ( yep I was actually there). The mantra about green jobs and green energy is pretty much the exact same thing that was being said about the nuclear industry by a group of zealots who justy KNEW that nothing could go wrong with their plan for the world.....