Again, vigilante justice is a horrible idea. Now, obviously there are exceptions, like if the robbers if violent...then all bets are off. But most jewelry stores have insurance, so why kill someone? Are you that hungry for blood you want to see people blown away at the local mall?
Smash and grab: Canada sees a spike in jewelry store robberies
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If those robbers were properly prosecuted and punished I would not want them dead. But I don't want to see groups of robbers getting away with it, getting drunk on a feeling of impunity and planning their new robberies in which a victim can be you or me. That I perceive as a problem. A dead robber - not really a problem.
because theft and robbery without hurting people doesn't really affect citizens...yes? When these robbers and thieves know there's a lot of risk involved for a bad deed...they might rethink their lives and actually look for jobs instead of looting...GTFO with your holier than thou mantra...these robbers don't care who they hurt...and most of them don't have mental problems...it's as simple as entitled to take someone's property...because the punishment doesn't fit the crime...it's always the liberals cities that has problems...
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The sad part is the 3rd world has enough sense to execute or jail these people for life.
Over here we catch them, then release them back into the public.
Underlying problem? Simple, they are criminals that want to cheat the system.
These people are not drug addict or suffering from mental health. They just want fast and easy cash.
Nothing is stopping them getting a job at No Frills or learning a Trade to earn cash.
Laws are clearly lax. If you let them get away with it, nothing changes, hopefully owners fighting back will make them think twice and stop this spike.
Of course organized crime is a part of this. How much, it could be hard to say. And, I'm not trying to say only addicts steal, obviously that isn't the case. But, we've seen where some stats about shoplifting are massively exaggerated, like that tale about organized shoplifters cleaning out a Walgreens in San Fran. Does it happen? Of course. But, I think some people have become brazen, knowing that in a retail store staff either doesn't give a fuck (because of crappy wages) or, and more commonly, told not to do anything (due to liability and insurance). Most of these smash and grab stores are in malls that don't have that airlock type door to get in/out of the store, so it is easy to do and try to run to the nearest exit and leave before security or the police show up.
But, all that being said, I still do not think shop lifting warrants a vigilante death sentence.
And, as for our legal system....it is complicated. We see issues where property crime has stiffer penalties than beating the fuck out of somebody or killing someone while drunk driving. Look at what a bank robber gets compared to Marco Muzzio, who killed four people (three kids) - Sentenced to 10 years, got parole after something like 3.5-4 years. Bank robbers get minimum of 4-5 years and could get life. Now, retail theft is much less, and the suspects are more likely to get bail because they usually are not violent (or brandishing weapons) when they commit their crimes.
Please, tell me what is a "conservative" city in Canada?
Again, your lack of critical thinking skills is painfully obvious. What do you think happens if robbers know that they could face violence from a shopkeeper are going to do? You think they're going to stop their evil ways and get a real job? Or, do you think they might go into these situations significantly more aggressively and hurt the shopkeeper before he can do anything? Do you think it could increase the use of weapons and an increased threat of people getting killed (both robbers and innocent victims)?
Honestly, can you think of one instance where a Canadian shopkeeper was killed by a robber in the last decade??? I cannot.
I don't disagree. Vast majority of thieve are looking for the quick buck. Is our legal system handling this as well as it could? Probably not. But, I don't know if we want to fill up our jails and prisons with non-violent offenders, or vigilante justice where people are killed over property...
Gangs need money...to get things like guns, pay people to do stuff, etc. Theft & selling drugs typically provide that income to keep things going and growing.
These crimes filter down to other common street crimes and the money goes upstream.
ie it may look like petty crime but there's a bigger picture.
I would tend to agree about penalties.
For example, there is no reason why someone should get a mere slap on the wrist for stealing a car. It should be 3-5 years period. No parole after a few months etc.
but how do you calculate what a group of youngsters that is allowed to rob stores with impunity because insurance, will do tomorrow? Are they going to become productive members of society or will they continue costing us, and if so, how much in money and how much in violence?
The guy who says...smash and grabe are caused by addiction telling me about "critical thinking skills" lol... these crimes are well thought out, planned...addicts don't do smash and grab on a high scale...their smash and grab are car windows or unattended belongings... there's no conservative city right now...we are a liberal country...
Allowing this is normalizing it. These robberies have a deep effect on the peace, safety and civility of communities, these criminals don`t give a shit about anyone. I`d like to see some " rooftop Koreans ", from the L.A. riots, blow those fuckers away, with AK`s and shotguns. All of them, they are criminal scum with absolute zero value to society.
How about a 3 strike law too, off to prison you go, mandatory life, no bail, no appeals, nothing. Bye bye for keeps assholes.
These are good and fair questions. I knew kids in my youth who were assholes who stole and did shitty things. Most cleaned up and are productive members of society. Can't say all of them outgrew that bullshit, some might be in jail or dead. There is a ton that we could try to do differently, from improving education and helping people get their needs met (NOTE: the kids I knew who were shitheels were lower to mid-middle class, so the majority of their needs were met), which can help lower crime.
I will conced that most smash-and-grab theft is probably gang related. But that doesn't mean addicts don't do shit like this, they just might not be successful.
You don't think that's relevant?
Smash and grab: Canada sees a spike in jewelry store robberies
Many cities across Canada are seeing a spike in jewelry store robberies in recent months.www.ctvnews.ca
My favourite part.
Of course, Invest in mental health, social and addiction services. It's the true culprit in this.
NYC crime rate dropped significantly when the economy picked up in the 2000's.
Criminals might be assholes. But even assholes are human beings who react to positive support and stimuli.
Not much.
NYC crime rate drop significantly when they strengthen laws in the 90's.
We already funds these programs. Throwing more money at the problem is not a solution. Go ask a California resident.
