And they somehow are so disgruntled the day they start! No matter how much they get paid, it is the idea that someone else is making more than them.
Skilled Tradespeople
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And they somehow are so disgruntled the day they start! No matter how much they get paid, it is the idea that someone else is making more than them.
its a great job. work hard and you rise to the top (seriously it a good trade)
I actually have two neighbours whose adult sons live in the basement and play computer games all day. Then on Fridays and Saturdays, they borrow their dad's car to go to clubs to try and pick up girls who also don't work.
you are comparing apples and oranges.. both are different. I'm sure those with a psychology degree has the mindset for deeper thinking than any trades people would ever be able to. Also most who finish their fine arts degree are no where near to painting a nude to professional standard. heck .. its more like learning how to mix paint properly and do abstract shit no one would ever understand so long as they have words to back up their 'concept'.
true.. heck that happens in most job industry. Some people who can't do jack shit get offered the job because they have the looks and can talk.
I achieved the dream for awhile. I was involved in setting up a business process and transferring some assets from one company to another and got hired on as an expert to make sure it went smoothly, on contract for two years. For the first year or so it was really a lot of work, but by the second year it was basically done, and I still had a year to go in my contract. There was about a six month period where I had literally nothing to do, and I mean, nothing, other than go out for lunches and dinners, socialize. I would have quit, but I was charging them contract rates at a pretty steep rate and when I pointed out that there wasn't really much that I was doing they tried to create make work--they wanted to keep me around just in case, they perceived they might need me if something came up. So I just played video games and chatted on the phone.
Even still after a few months of that I was just going nuts. I wanted to work on something, anything. It really does get pretty boring after awhile not to have challenging work.
You are a fool
You complain about others not taking a risk on young people with no experience.
How much of your capital have you put at risk on an unknown 20 year old who may or may not work out?
Did you start him / her out at $40 / hour and spend the money to train him/her as well.
This is just one of the many things you complain about
Is this your contribution to society or do you employ and help develop people ?
I agree with you that they are apples and oranges. The same can pretty much be said
of any pair of different programs in humanities. I singled out psychology mostly because it
is a lot bigger than fine arts in terms of enrolment. I suspect it is the one major that
account for the largest proportion of university students. Psychology graduates may be
more capable of deep thinking than students in fine arts and those learning a trade.
But it is not an area in great demand. The program attracts the hottest chicks though.
hardly the relevant point
stop complaining about what you think business should do to support your ideal nanny state
A skilled trade shortage BS was not to long ago that the government push people to schools for professional careers and now the tide has turned back as a skilled trade shortage NO some people don’t want to get the hands dirty fine by me. I spend 4 years in the trades to learn and it pays off down the road, it was told before that people want it all RIGHT NOW well welcome to reality it’s earned! I have notice in time the amount of false trade papers, one person I know left Ontario to return 3 days later with a red seal trade license! And didn’t know his a** from a hole in the ground! the other person offer me 1500 dollars to make him up one .There I blame the HR departments and Unions, a simple phone call to Skills or school to verify his papers and the union who protect them after “ can’t fire him he passed his probation” HE LIE ABOUT IT. I took last year off my choice only to be offer a deal I couldn’t refuse as for a 6 figure income there is a price to be paid long hours, travel and yes KNOW your stuff.
Another thing is these agencies and a few companies which gives tests PLEASE don’t give then the answer! I witness on for the government which states’ calculators are a must so when the testing began out came the smartphone only to be texting someone outside for the answers! When I went for my lic there was always someone walking around so there was no chance of cheating.
My shop teacher once said “the choice is your veg or grow”:thumb:
Another thing is these agencies and a few companies which gives tests PLEASE don’t give then the answer! I witness on for the government which states’ calculators are a must so when the testing began out came the smartphone only to be texting someone outside for the answers! When I went for my lic there was always someone walking around so there was no chance of cheating.
My shop teacher once said “the choice is your veg or grow”:thumb:
There is a well known trades shortage, at least to those who have any connection at all to the construction industry. The bottom line is that roughly 50% of the skilled trades are eligible for retirement in the next 5 years and there's no ready supply to pick up the slack. The government, unions, and employers have all finally started to get their act in gear and promote the skilled trades in a way they haven't done for the past 20 years but the uptake still won't meet the demand.
Part of the problem is the perception of the construction industry as the younger generation (and I'm generalizing here) doesn't find slugging it out in all weather and having to travel around as very attractive propositions. It's not the pay because you can easily make $100K+ a year once you've passed your apprenticeship (usually 4 years). There's not to many other jobs out there where you can make that kind of money so quickly without having an advanced university degree. It's the effort required and the negative image that still persists about being a "lowly tradesperson." Remember, the flashy stuff in our world today is technology and high end service industries, not working with your hands and carrying a toolbox to work.
IMO, the only real solution that will be able to fill the demand is to bring in foreigners. There's simply not enough of a home-grown Canadian work force to meet the demand (just because you're looking for work doesn't mean you're willing to work in construction) so we're going to have to start bringing people in, which IMO is a good thing to grow the country (I'd rather bring in skilled trades than refugees).
I know the International Boilermakers Union is already teaming up with employers to bring in foreign welders to meet the demands of the construction industry. Even the government is doing its part (albeit slowly) to reduce the paperwork and bureaucracy that restricts such workers.
The bottom line is that our entire society is going to face a shortage of workers as the baby boomers retire. It will dramatically change the nature of work in Canada as certain types of jobs will either disappear or be restructured to face the simple reality that we don't have enough people to fill the positions we have today. So the next time you see a bag your own groceries line, remember that one effect of this is that we won't need as many cashiers, which is part of the reason grocery stores are trying to find alternative means to getting work done.
p.s., to the comments about union out of work lists being full in certain cities, that's more to do with regional variations and industrial cycles than with the overall picture. Hamilton and Windsor may be in economic downturns but other parts of the province (especially Toronto) are not. By its nature construction is cyclical and part of being a construction worker is saving during the good times so you can weather the bad. If you're willing to move around, you can easily find work in Ontario (or in Alberta or out east). But if you're only willing to work in Hamilton, well yeah, at times you may be sitting on the out of work list for a while.
Part of the problem is the perception of the construction industry as the younger generation (and I'm generalizing here) doesn't find slugging it out in all weather and having to travel around as very attractive propositions. It's not the pay because you can easily make $100K+ a year once you've passed your apprenticeship (usually 4 years). There's not to many other jobs out there where you can make that kind of money so quickly without having an advanced university degree. It's the effort required and the negative image that still persists about being a "lowly tradesperson." Remember, the flashy stuff in our world today is technology and high end service industries, not working with your hands and carrying a toolbox to work.
IMO, the only real solution that will be able to fill the demand is to bring in foreigners. There's simply not enough of a home-grown Canadian work force to meet the demand (just because you're looking for work doesn't mean you're willing to work in construction) so we're going to have to start bringing people in, which IMO is a good thing to grow the country (I'd rather bring in skilled trades than refugees).
I know the International Boilermakers Union is already teaming up with employers to bring in foreign welders to meet the demands of the construction industry. Even the government is doing its part (albeit slowly) to reduce the paperwork and bureaucracy that restricts such workers.
The bottom line is that our entire society is going to face a shortage of workers as the baby boomers retire. It will dramatically change the nature of work in Canada as certain types of jobs will either disappear or be restructured to face the simple reality that we don't have enough people to fill the positions we have today. So the next time you see a bag your own groceries line, remember that one effect of this is that we won't need as many cashiers, which is part of the reason grocery stores are trying to find alternative means to getting work done.
p.s., to the comments about union out of work lists being full in certain cities, that's more to do with regional variations and industrial cycles than with the overall picture. Hamilton and Windsor may be in economic downturns but other parts of the province (especially Toronto) are not. By its nature construction is cyclical and part of being a construction worker is saving during the good times so you can weather the bad. If you're willing to move around, you can easily find work in Ontario (or in Alberta or out east). But if you're only willing to work in Hamilton, well yeah, at times you may be sitting on the out of work list for a while.
I have no doubt that the quality has declined in the past 10-15 years. The quality of a new condo or house is inferior to the ones built 10-15 years ago. Ever noticed that when a storm rips off the roof of a house, it is almost always the newer houses? Same with appliances. My 32 year old GE refridgerator is still ticking while my neighbour is on his 3rd during the same time period.
That has a lot more to do with developers wanting to save a buck than with the training/skill of the trades. Some/many developers want to bang out a project as fast as humanly possible and quality suffers as a result. Not to mention the savings that can be had by using lesser quality materials.
If the workers had their way everything would be built slowly and well because every hour of work is an hour of pay for them. For most in the construction industry, when the job's done so is their employment.
