Skilled Tradespeople

[Rockslinger]

Not sure if I heard right but, apparently, there are currently 130,000 unfilled jobs because we don't have enough tradespeople. This number will grow to 200,000 as current tradespeople retire. Maybe, advise your kids to take a welding course instead of going to study fine arts in university.

BTW: Some of these unfilled jobs are being done by imported labour but the unions are crying unfair competition because we are not paying the foreigners Canadian pay scale.

 

[JackBurton]

No one wants those jobs because they don't pay enough. Sure the electrical guys and plumbers do well, but in the end they have to work in dirty, cold (4months a year) conditions. Raise the pay and native born Canadians will fill the jobs. Simple economics

 

[LKD]

No one wants those jobs because they don't pay enough. Sure the electrical guys and plumbers do well, but in the end they have to work in dirty, cold (4months a year) conditions. Raise the pay and native born Canadians will fill the jobs. Simple economics

yeah.. they talk like the jobs are easy money and plenty of work available.. on the contrary, I hear all this union b.s, how you don't get enough work until you've been working in the industry for a decade or so, need to pass all these licensing exams or keep upgrading or renewing which are mainly there so the institutions/associations can make money off you, plus all the tough working conditions.

 

[Plan B]

The kids in fine arts programs could not handle the physical work of the trades..they are just not built for it. The guy who is in the trades conversely could not handle day in, day out office work, office politics, computer work, and so forth. So many guys in the trades can't even work on Microsoft Word. People are not built to do all jobs.

 

[oil&gas]

Not sure if I heard right but, apparently, there are currently 130,000 unfilled jobs because we don't have enough tradespeople. This number will grow to 200,000 as current tradespeople retire. Maybe, advise your kids to take a welding course instead of going to study fine arts in university.

To be fair fine art isn't the undergraduate program that is most wasteful of
resources we invest in training younger generation of workforce. If I have
to single out one such program it is Psychology that is most useless IMO.
A 50% downsizing of York University's psychology program and a corresponding
increase in enrolment in Sheridan, George Brown, Humber, Seneca and so
forth should resolve the shortfall.

Fine art is actually quite a tough program, a lot tougher than psychology.
How many of you can do a nude painting to a professional standard? That
is required of any decent undergraduate fine art program. Other than painting
intensive study of art history is another challenge. I bet 90% of psychology
students would not survive in fine art.

 

[trtinajax]

I believe the report on the tv stated that some of these "under" paying jobs are paying a rate of $ 32.00 per hour plus benefits. How much higher do we need to increase the wages to make the jobs attractive to Canadians collecting welfare? Just asking!

 

[fuji]

I believe the report on the tv stated that some of these "under" paying jobs are paying a rate of $ 32.00 per hour plus benefits. How much higher do we need to increase the wages to make the jobs attractive to Canadians collecting welfare? Just asking!

See, the problem is that a trade is ACTUAL WORK. Nobody wants to do actual work. We want immigrants to do actual work. The bums on welfare want a job where they can surf the internet all day long, yap with their friends, have a 2 hour lunch, and head home early because they worked really hard for 15 minutes at some point the afternoon.

 

[dogman]

I believe this is a bunch of BS. Check out the local trades union halls and see the number of local tradesman that can't get a job. Hundreds if not thousands in the Hamilton area alone. Not sure where those numbers came from, but they don't seem right in Southern Ontario. Perhaps in Saskatchewan or Alberta they are short handed. But no where near those numbers.

Not sure if I heard right but, apparently, there are currently 130,000 unfilled jobs because we don't have enough tradespeople. This number will grow to 200,000 as current tradespeople retire. Maybe, advise your kids to take a welding course instead of going to study fine arts in university.

BTW: Some of these unfilled jobs are being done by imported labour but the unions are crying unfair competition because we are not paying the foreigners Canadian pay scale.

 

[rhuarc29]

To be fair fine art isn't the undergraduate program that is most wasteful of
resources we invest in training younger generation of workforce. If I have
to single out one such program it is Psychology that is most useless IMO.

That's an interesting argument considering the light starting to be shed on mental illness, especially in children. Some would say the future of psychology is very important to a healthy society.

 

[vulcan99]

See, the problem is that a trade is ACTUAL WORK. Nobody wants to do actual work. We want immigrants to do actual work. The bums on welfare want a job where they can surf the internet all day long, yap with their friends, have a 2 hour lunch, and head home early because they worked really hard for 15 minutes at some point the afternoon.

absolutely correct, Sir.

 

[peter4025]

See, the problem is that a trade is ACTUAL WORK. Nobody wants to do actual work. We want immigrants to do actual work. The bums on welfare want a job where they can surf the internet all day long, yap with their friends, have a 2 hour lunch, and head home early because they worked really hard for 15 minutes at some point the afternoon.

There is a shortage of good tradesman. There are lot of tradesmen without work also. Construction is like any other industry, you have good workers, mediocre and bad ones. Good tradesmen are always working. We go go to work rain, snow or shine, when is +40 or -20 we are at work. On bad days we put 4 hrs on good ones 14, but as an old Jewish mentor of mine said if you go to work 3-4 hrs you can have a $100 in your pocket if you stay home you have nothing. This what the young generation does not understand, is called work ethics.

A tradesman can make anywhere between $30 to $50 an hour. However it takes time to become one, like in any other profession (4-5 years minimum of work). Younge people want to get paid tradesmen rate from day one, this will never happen. You have to pay your dues. The starting rate is between $12 and $16 an hour. The work is hard, you work in all climates. Either you are cold or you are hot, you are dirty the whole day. You have to be able to lift heavy weight for 8 hrs steady (50 to 150 pounds or more). People don't want to do this they rather collect welfare. This is why there are so many immigrants in construction. They came here to realize the American dream and they know that the only way to obtain it is by working hard

 

[FAST]

Beneath them

See, the problem is that a trade is ACTUAL WORK. Nobody wants to do actual work. We want immigrants to do actual work. The bums on welfare want a job where they can surf the internet all day long, yap with their friends, have a 2 hour lunch, and head home early because they worked really hard for 15 minutes at some point the afternoon.

+1

"WORK,...you don't actually expect me to work,...even if the income is VERY good."

"I want to get paid to walk through the forest and count birds."

FAST

 

[canada-man]

There is a shortage of good tradesman. There are lot of tradesmen without work also. Construction is like any other industry, you have good workers, mediocre and bad ones. Good tradesmen are always working. We go go to work rain, snow or shine, when is +40 or -20 we are at work. On bad days we put 4 hrs on good ones 14, but as an old Jewish mentor of mine said if you go to work 3-4 hrs you can have a $100 in your pocket if you stay home you have nothing. This what the young generation does not understand, is called work ethics.

A tradesman can make anywhere between $30 to $50 an hour. However it takes time to become one, like in any other profession (4-5 years minimum of work). Younge people want to get paid tradesmen rate from day one, this will never happen. You have to pay your dues. The starting rate is between $12 and $16 an hour. The work is hard, you work in all climates. Either you are cold or you are hot, you are dirty the whole day. You have to be able to lift heavy weight for 8 hrs steady (50 to 150 pounds or more). People don't want to do this they rather collect welfare. This is why there are so many immigrants in construction. They came here to realize the American dream and they know that the only way to obtain it is by working hard

welfare only pay $600 a month you can't live on that

 

[Rockslinger]

Some interesting comments and observations. I was watching the TV NEWS where they were discussing the federal budget tabled yesterday and was shocked to learn that 130,000 (hopefully I am quoting the correct number) high paying trades jobs are unfilled due to lack of qualified candidates and yet we complain about youth unemployment. Also, this number will grow as current tradespersons start retiring.

I do think that many native born Canadians lack the work ethics of immigrants. I see Russians in the construction trade. I see Black people driving cabs. I heard that many fruit pickers are from Latin America. Of course, we know that Koreans, E.I. and Chinese work 24/7 in their stores and restaurants.

 

[canada-man]

they can't complain about lack of qualified candidates when these same whiners won't employ them in the first place. just look at the ads all asking for experience and when they have no choice but the go on social services they are labeled as lazy bum. create jobs they are sitting on stashes due to right wing tax cuts they can afford to hire and train people.

 

[peter4025]

they can't complain about lack of qualified candidates when these same whiners won't employ them in the first place. just look at the ads all asking for experience and when they have no choice but the go on social services they are labeled as lazy bum. create jobs they are sitting on stashes due to right wing tax cuts they can afford to hire and train people.

You are so far off on this one. Talk to any business owner and ask them. Most of them are willing to hire apprentices, however the people work a week and they don't come back or they call in sick after a couple of days or are always late. The turn around for apprentices in my company is 90%.

 

[canada-man]

You are so far off on this one. Talk to any business owner and ask them. Most of them are willing to hire apprentices, however the people work a week and they don't come back or they call in sick after a couple of days or are always late. The turn around for apprentices in my company is 90%.

do they pay the apprentices or asked them to work for free in a "trial" period?

 

[peter4025]

do they pay the apprentices or asked them to work for free in a "trial" period?

Read post # 13. Starting rate is 12 to 16 an hour paid weekly or biweekly

 

[HEYHEY]

You are so far off on this one. Talk to any business owner and ask them. Most of them are willing to hire apprentices, however the people work a week and they don't come back or they call in sick after a couple of days or are always late. The turn around for apprentices in my company is 90%.

Exactly, the jobs are out there, however the people that show up to these jobs are a joke 9 out of 10 times.

People in this country are lazy, there is no sugar coating it. This is the playstation generation that wants above average wages with no actual work.

 

[red]

i had all my kids (yes the girls as well) learn a trade as well as go to university- its good to have a back up and it teaches you the value of working hard and being able to do things with your hands. i find it odd that some of the younger guys working for me can't do simple repairs around their house.