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Single-Use Plastics Ban

yomero5

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Its about replacability and supply chain. There are alternatives to plastic cutley. But to go back to glass bottles would be a whole other animal.
We can all bring our own cutlery to the food court. They can use glass bottles to deliver fluids. It will just cost a lot more to produced and transport, because of the increased weight. Plastic bottles, and food and product containers will be here FOREVER.
 

Butler1000

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It's takes decades to replace a tree cut down to make single-use paper straws and bags. Aren't we supposed to be growing more trees to help the environment?
Both are consumables.

I use cloth bags at stores(not just grocery) and carry a nice wood set of cutlery and straw. We make sure to tell delivery orders no cutlery with the food. We use cloth napkins. Its really not difficilt to reduce things. A few thoughts and planning ahead.
 

yomero5

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Let's not forget about the thousands of people who will be out of business or work because of these bans.
 

TeeJay

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If they ban plastic cutlery, how do eat at food courts? If they ban plastic grocery bags, what do we use as garbage bin liners? We buy single-use bin liners from Home Depot, I guess? So, they ban plastic straws, we are given more expensive paper straws, killing thousands of trees in this transition. Does the plastics ban make any sense?
Wooden cutlery already exists as do paper straws

I am more puzzled at why its ok to kill trees than recycle plastic cutlery
Its not hard to melt plastic down and recycle it; its easier than recycling paper/wood products
 

Insidious Von

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It's takes decades to replace a tree cut down to make single-use paper straws and bags. Aren't we supposed to be growing more trees to help the environment?
There's nothing wrong with the reusable felt grocery bags, Longo's sent me three for being a loyal customer. I sent a promotional to Ali Chiasson to do a special feature on them, you can persuade better with honey than with vinegar.

 

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Wooden cutlery already exists as do paper straws

I am more puzzled at why its ok to kill trees than recycle plastic cutlery
Its not hard to melt plastic down and recycle it; its easier than recycling paper/wood products
No plastic is not recycle - at least not single use. At best they are produce unusable waste products and are mostly recycled. Assuming this is the case, are food is now having posionious plastic in their stomaches - it takes 100,000 of years for plastics to be broken down, and weeks months or a few years for paper and wood products.

At the present rate, meat will be a toxic food source within a generation, or many sources of it (all fish for example). We could int heory change the way we farm herbivores (stop feeding them meat for one) but this would cause the price to massively incresse - similar to Japan where steaks are in the hundreds of dollars.

Sure if your a vegterian I suppose plastic is not so bad as long as you hate animals.

 

escortsxxx

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It may be inconvenient for you, but this is a democracy. Enough people voted for him that you are SOL.
Well part of democracy is speaking up. The vote is not the only part of the democratic process. That being said, baring a large group opposing the move, it is the will of the people.
Even if the move is mostly good, I am sure it could be improved.
 

GameBoy27

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It takes 100,000 of years for plastics to be broken down, and weeks months or a few years for paper and wood products.
"When paper does breakdown in a landfill, it is usually due to an anaerobic instead of an aerobic process of decomposition. ... In the case of paper, anaerobic decomposition is detrimental since it produces methane gas. Methane is combustible and highly dangerous, making landfills a greater environmental hazard."

In fact, it just so happens paper takes up the most space in landfills.
 

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If they ban plastic cutlery, how do eat at food courts? If they ban plastic grocery bags, what do we use as garbage bin liners? We buy single-use bin liners from Home Depot, I guess? So, they ban plastic straws, we are given more expensive paper straws, killing thousands of trees in this transition. Does the plastics ban make any sense?
I think some company is gonna make a fortune coming up with a substitute product.
 

shack

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Well part of democracy is speaking up. The vote is not the only part of the democratic process.
I never told him that he couldn't.

But the vote sure goes a looong way toward determining who governs. He was whining about Trudeau being in office and I basically said, deal with it.
 

TeeJay

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No plastic is not recycle - at least not single use. At best they are produce unusable waste products and are mostly recycled. Assuming this is the case, are food is now having posionious plastic in their stomaches - it takes 100,000 of years for plastics to be broken down, and weeks months or a few years for paper and wood products.
Plastic cutlery #6 *IS* recyclable
The issue is some cities (eg Toronto) do not bother recycling it because they feel it is not cost effective

Same with grocery store plastic bags
Can be recycled but we do not do it

I feel the main issue is that these municipalities are trying to claim they recycle when vast majority of them do not actually recycle
There was an entire documentary about how these scam artists throw out like 80% of what we recycle into the trash

They also CAN recycle styrofoam containers, but again, cost
We would rather spend less and throw stuff away than actually invest in a recycling program
 

escortsxxx

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Plastic cutlery #6 *IS* recyclable
The issue is some cities (eg Toronto) do not bother recycling it because they feel it is not cost effective

Same with grocery store plastic bags
Can be recycled but we do not do it

I feel the main issue is that these municipalities are trying to claim they recycle when vast majority of them do not actually recycle
There was an entire documentary about how these scam artists throw out like 80% of what we recycle into the trash

They also CAN recycle styrofoam containers, but again, cost
We would rather spend less and throw stuff away than actually invest in a recycling program
Why would i subsdize a product with my taxes? Sure, if each paper cup had alike a buck or ten cents or whatever tax to the manimlatlies to pay for this program - sure- but even then, I as a user have to worry about where I throw my coffee cup away so it can be recycled. The ban is more efficient solution since it follows a capalistic model - that is asuming human lazyness and greed vs. fantasy fantasy meliorism (first occasion to use that word ya!)
 

TeeJay

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Why would i subsdize a product with my taxes? Sure, if each paper cup had alike a buck or ten cents or whatever tax to the manimlatlies to pay for this program - sure- but even then, I as a user have to worry about where I throw my coffee cup away so it can be recycled. The ban is more efficient solution since it follows a capalistic model - that is asuming human lazyness and greed vs. fantasy fantasy meliorism (first occasion to use that word ya!)
You do understand you PAY for garbage collection / recycling already right? Banning single use plastic simply means they change material to something else (eg you have seen wooden utensils at fast food joints, or how McD got rid of styrofoam (which is recyclable) and replaced it with cardboard (which is also recyclable). Irony is NEITHER styro nor food waste cardboard are recycled lol

None of the profits those privately owned companies make EVER comes back to you via tax refunds

So right now you pay $1 for the company to make $5
If they invested in proper equipment and procedures you would pay $1 for the company to make $2
Hence the companies moral outrage

Recycling is in itself a scam
Private business raking in millions and not actually recycling the vast majority of materials (only cherry picking the most lucrative ones)
 

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About paper straws: I hate them. They are not smooth and make a strange feeling in your mouth. And I like drink with the straw especially because I like lots of ice in my drink. In fact, since Subway switched to paper straws almost two year ago, I started to go their less often than before. And with paper bags vs plastic bags: try to put carry 20 paper bags in one hand in once much harder than with plastic bags. And, as many had mentioned, the environmental costs of transporting much heavier paper bags is not that insignificant. If the government wanted to really have ecological effect, they should have looked at unnecessary packaging for many products. Far more ways to cut back at production/packaging.
 
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