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Shut it down. Now.

shack

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Yeah measures would be taken but they wouldn't be shutting down entire highways for months on end you moron lol
Different situations call for different measures. Measures to deal with cars, would affect all cars.

The virus potentially affects all people, so all people are affected.

I agree that the impact of dealing with all cars is not as much of a hardship as dealing with all people, but the principle is the same.
 

shack

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Yeah measures would be taken but they wouldn't be shutting down entire highways for months on end you moron lol


Nice strawman pal. You also quote mined. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I"m pretty sure he's smarter then you.

Then again that really isn't saying much after what you just typed which just reeks of intellectual dishonesty.

"Shut it down" Shut it down" I keep hearing that, until when? The next disaster hits? and the one after that?

These aren't sustainable solutions, I don't understand why that's so hard for idiots like you to understand. They are just emotional knee jerks. The same dumbass mentality that leads to all this stupid panic buying, and hoarding.

Sounds like you need a diaper change to.
Not going to respond and not because you made any valid points. Let me know when you calm down and want to have an actual discussion.
 

Jubee

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If sps want to continue operating that's their choice. They know the risks, and take the necessary precautions. Maybe limit the amount of clients they see, only see regulars, etc. Refuse to see ANYONE who has traveled outside the country, or showing ANY symptoms. You want everyone to stay locked up for the next 6-12 months? We do that, and NO ONE will have a job to go back to once this is all over.
Limit the amount a provider sees or a mp attendant sees?
Okay, roll the dice on that and let's say she sees 10 guys in a day and one of them doesn't show any symptoms but is a carrier. Now you go see her a few days later, congratulations, you have been exposed.

Does that explain the risk a bit better? The quarantine isn't forever, it's to "plank the curve", flatten it out to mitigate a potential for disaster and at some point if/when they do come out with a vaccine, things can get back to normal. So if any of these girls sees a bunch of guys over the course of the month, you don't think there's a risk factor at all???
Then for her to continue seeing guys only to have someone exposed?

You watch too many movies, relax, get out more (just not anytime soon).
 

Jubee

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Jesus fucking christ there are a lot of dumb fucks in this thread, I can't comprehend how you even have enough money to hobby with how fucking stupid you are.

For the moron who says that other countries contained the outbreak without shutting everything down. First off, that's false, at least some aspects of society were shut down even for those few East Asian countries like Taiwan, Singapore and Korea that seem to have a handle on things so far and haven't required as heavy social distancing measures. To be clear, they are still social distancing. They were able to do this because they were FAR more proactive in every single aspect of mitigating the problem when it was a smaller problem (testing, stock piling resources, tracking, the list goes on). We are far far far past the point of mitigation. The growth of new cases is increasing exponentially, the only way to get that down is through heavy suppression, that is, locking things down. What morons are failing to understand is that the longer we ignore heavy suppression, the longer this will go on. If you want to read more on the strategy we NEED to take to get this situation under control take a look at this: https://medium.com/@tomaspueyo/coronavirus-the-hammer-and-the-dance-be9337092b56

Note that we don't have to be doing this for a year, once we get the numbers down to something manageable we can implement strategies to keep them down while resuming, mostly, normal life.

Let's put some things into perspective, the mortality rate for this virus is thought to be roughly 3%, newer studies basing figures off of Korea suggest its closer to 1%. You may think, eh, what's 1%, 1% is HUGE! That makes this virus 10x more deadly than the flu. Not only is it more deadly, it's also much more contagious.

Canada has roughly 38 million people, 1% is 380,000 people, meaning 380,000 people will die. That's not spread over a year either, with how contagious this virus is that would be over a matter of months. Let's say its 3 months, roughly 90 days. That mean 4222 people will die per day! Numbers that high will completely overwhelm and lead the health care system to collapse. This leads to even more deaths because people who need medical attention won't be able to get it because we won't have a health care system at that point. Think about the number of bodies that is, where the fuck would you even put all those people? You just going to line the streets with bodies? You going to fill the Skydome with bodies? People who are crying about the economy should realize that letting things just take their course would devastate the economy far more.

Do the right thing, take this shit seriously and stay the fuck home. We can totally get a handle on this but for that to happen everyone needs do their share.
Thanks for this, will share this with a friend who isn't taking it too seriously either.
 

2big2frail

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The width of your brush is too broad about 380,000 deaths. A much more detailed study is required to determine the true percentage. Age, sex, pre-existing medical conditions etc. need to be taken into account to calc the mortality rate.

To that end, we do need to give a complete shut down a try, too bad a large percentage of people are not going to play along so it defeats the purpose. The virus will spread. Best we can do is flatten the curve so the pandemic lasts longer, with less people dead.
1% is on the conservative side of estimates, but even still, whatever the true mortality rate is just seeing what's happening in Italy is enough to cause concern. Italy as of today has roughly 7000 deaths, the deaths didn't start coming until roughly a month ago: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/italy/

The situation leading to those 7000 deaths in roughly a month has almost completely crippled their healthcare infrastructure, they are barely hanging on. If we were to reach even half of the 1% that's still 2111 deaths per day. If 7000 deaths in a month brings a country's healthcare system to near collapse imagine what 2111 PER DAY would do to ours. We would be completely fucked.

We'll see where our social distancing measures take us, it's only really been about a little over a week so we won't have a good idea until some point next week. If by the end of next week the trend isn't going down we will probably have to go full shut down.
 

2big2frail

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Thanks for this, will share this with a friend who isn't taking it too seriously either.
No problem. I would definitely encourage them to read the article I linked, people think we need to be locked away until we find a vaccine, this isn't true IF the necessary steps are taken once we a better handle on the situation.

China will be an interesting case study because after 2 months of lockdown they have gotten the numbers down significantly, so much so that they are starting to loosen things up now. Not sure what their mitigation plan is at this time to keep the numbers steady but I'd assume it will be similar to what places like Korea and Taiwan are doing. If things start to uptick again there they'd probably do another shut down, but a shorter one if they respond fast enough. This is what we are aiming to get to here but it doesn't happen without you me and everyone else chipping in.
 
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