Should we halt Immigration until we can get it under control.

[Frankfooter]

I disagree. But thats a whole nother topic. My point is, Ford is a progressive and not a true conservative.

Even something like the landlord and tenant board where it is universally agreed that the law doesnt protect landlords - this is provincial jurisdiction and a reflection of just some of the problems here provincially. But make no mistake - many movements and policies trickle down from the feds. And Ford bends over for JT the moment our dictator does not approve of Fords messaging. Ford says he loves Freeland - one of the prominent clowns in JT’s cabinet.

Ford is a conservative.
He cut rent control and killed minimum wage hikes.

The landlord and tenant board he's acting like a typical conservative, he's putting corporate landlords to the front of the line while forcing family owned landlords and tenants to wait years for hearings.

 

[Dutch Oven]

Trudeau needs to step down and let Chrystia Freeland take the reins. She infuriated The King of Kings during the USMCA negotiations, she may not be the diplomat Justin is, that's fine Canada needs technocrats presently. Premiere Ford is also unsuitable for the current landscape but if someone takes his place, they may be worse.

She is possibly the worst trade negotiator I have ever seen. I am almost inclined to agree with your suggestion to put her in the PM seat if only to prevent her from negotiating anything else.

 

[drewstar]

Well if we are to define a conservative they do it in the States, then even Pierre cannot be considered a true conservative because he supports abortion, same sex marriage and legalization of marijuana. Canada in general does not have the kind of conservatives the US has. Thank God for that. (The right wing extremist MAGA movement is really a fringe in Canada, in my opinion).

I wont dispute most of that - but it is imo still better than the status quo (low bar of course).

 

[drewstar]

Ford is a conservative.
He cut rent control and killed minimum wage hikes.

The landlord and tenant board he's acting like a typical conservative, he's putting corporate landlords to the front of the line while forcing family owned landlords and tenants to wait years for hearings.

You mean small time landlords having to wait years - tenants can get away with rent theft easily especially professional tenants. The system is broken.

 

[lomotil]

IF voters were actually politically astute, they’d understand we need them for continued growth in GDP,….and….for the tax revenue so we can deliver various services, etc and so on.

We are getting “older”. We live longer, and birth rates are going down. It’s as simple as that.

You have given a very realistic synopsis . After the next election, whomever wins will necessarily have to continue to do more of the same with respect to immigration, even increase immigration quotas for macroeconomic reasons, namely sustained GDP growth as you mentioned and for a strong credit rating.
Notice that the Poilievre Opposition is very vocal on Trudeau bashing and what is broken yet very very silent on ideas as to how to fix anything.
I spent two days at Sunnybrook Hospital with a sick relative recently and remarked that the hospital would collapse if all the foreign born staff were to take even a single day off!
It is not possible to ignore the thousands of newcomers, primarily from Indian visible in the GTA workforce backstopping industries needs.

Immigration can be halted or dramatically slowed down in Canada one day if :

1. The birth rate goes up past the death rate.
2. The numbers of able bodied Canadians on social assistance and formerly able bodied Canadians who are too drugged out and
mentally and physical incapable of working goes down.
3. More Canadians graduate from skilled trades programs and or decided to do unskilled labour to satisfy industrial requirements.
4. Voter turn out increase substantially.

As an aside, most likely the asylum seekers sleeping outside had help and paid their handlers to jump the immigration queue with their travel to Toronto timed to take advantage of the summer weather.

The long train wreck that we are seeing was brought on by many succesive governments, poor government planning and worldwide geopolitical factors.

 

[Frankfooter]

You mean small time landlords having to wait years - tenants can get away with rent theft easily especially professional tenants. The system is broken.

I mean Ford is breaking the system

 

[Not getting younger]

You have given a very realistic synopsis . After the next election, whomever wins will necessarily have to continue to do more of the same with respect to immigration, even increase immigration quotas for macroeconomic reasons, namely sustained GDP growth as you mentioned and for a strong credit rating.
Notice that the Poilievre Opposition is very vocal on Trudeau bashing and what is broken yet very very silent on ideas as to how to fix anything.
I spent two days at Sunnybrook Hospital with a sick relative recently and remarked that the hospital would collapse if all the foreign born staff were to take even a single day off!
It is not possible to ignore the thousands of newcomers, primarily from Indian visible in the GTA workforce backstopping industries needs.

Immigration can be halted or dramatically slowed down in Canada one day if :

1. The birth rate goes up past the death rate.
2. The numbers of able bodied Canadians on social assistance and formerly able bodied Canadians who are too drugged out and
mentally and physical incapable of working goes down.
3. More Canadians graduate from skilled trades programs and or decided to do unskilled labour to satisfy industrial requirements.
4. Voter turn out increase substantially.

As an aside, most likely the asylum seekers sleeping outside had help and paid their handlers to jump the immigration queue with their travel to Toronto timed to take advantage of the summer weather.

The long train wreck that we are seeing was brought on by many succesive governments, poor government planning and worldwide geopolitical factors.

I’ll say this. On my own political bias, and on PP.

Some don’t agree that First Past is badly broken and needs to go like the dinosaurs did. One reason, aside from regional representation I think the polarization in both Canada and the US is so bad presently. Pendulums always swing. If we look at our own past 30 years. We elect X. They typically stay in power until things get sooooo bad. They are finally kicked to the curb. When a con is in, those on the right dig their heels in….eventually the pendulum swings hard. Enter a Liberal, those on the left dig their heels in,…eventually the pendulum swings hard….

Me, for the most part I’m left of center. Some topics very left. But I also spent a lot of time in finance/economics. On those topics I’m pretty right of center. Guess we could say I understand if we want the gold standard of social niceties. We need to watch the Pennys.

PP
I had high hopes for him prior to announcing his bid for leadership. I still think we need him yesterday. But, he’s shown his colours. No different than JT, no different than most. Same cats, different stripes.

 

[richaceg]

I mean Ford is breaking the system

The system was broken long before Dougie was in office...did he try to fix it? no he didn't do shit all....

 

[toguy5252]

I disagree. But thats a whole nother topic. My point is, Ford is a progressive and not a true conservative.

Even something like the landlord and tenant board where it is universally agreed that the law doesnt protect landlords - this is provincial jurisdiction and a reflection of just some of the problems here provincially. But make no mistake - many movements and policies trickle down from the feds. And Ford bends over for JT the moment our dictator does not approve of Fords messaging. Ford says he loves Freeland - one of the prominent clowns in JT’s cabinet.

I suppose it is in the eye of the beholder. I think most liberals would consider him too conservative.

 

[explorerzip]

Theres no perfect solution for immigration, but we do need to make international qualifications matter - I had family members who were doing well financially at a high ranking visible position internationally only to be considered unqualified here and initially work a low paying entry level accounting job - just terrible.

The mandates I speak of are the covid ones in health care that remain in some jurisdictions. The covid hysteria led to so much excessive spending that is part of the reason we have reached historic debt levels now, and our currency devalued which ultimately leads to a lower standard of living.

On one hand, we should recognize some international qualifications. On the other hand, it depends on how those quals compare to Canadian or at least Western standards. I'm not sure I'd want a doctor operating on me that could not meet Canadian standards. I do understand that there may be some protecionist measures in place preventing qualified immigrants from finding work in their chosen field though.

What do covid mandates have to do with hiring practices in the health system or trades and immigration? Perhaps you'd like to share an article that shows the link between the two issues? You seem to be talking about a mish mash of different issues. Maybe try to list each of them as seperate points.

 

[Not getting younger]

The system was broken long before Dougie was in office...did he try to fix it? no he didn't do shit all....

He caved to needing votes…like they all do…He discovered that if you want the crown, or to keep it….better keep them happy, screw the rest.

 

[explorerzip]

There are too many refugees brought it and dumped in Toronto. I think immigration reform is needed and people need to be placed in other areas of the country. I think recourses are needed to be set up. Better housing. So before you call me ignorant - maybe take the time to find out my actual stance.

How are immigrants going to be placed in other areas of the country? The federal government can't force people to move to less populated areas. That would violate the fundamental freedom of mobility.

IMO, the feds are playing the numbers game by accepting so many refugees and immigrants. They are counting on at least some of those immigrants will find work and become productive. At the same time, they know full well that many will fall through the cracks. In business terms, it's an acceptable loss.

 

[drewstar]

On one hand, we should recognize some international qualifications. On the other hand, it depends on how those quals compare to Canadian or at least Western standards. I'm not sure I'd want a doctor operating on me that could not meet Canadian standards. I do understand that there may be some protecionist measures in place preventing qualified immigrants from finding work in their chosen field though.

What do covid mandates have to do with hiring practices in the health system or trades and immigration? Perhaps you'd like to share an article that shows the link between the two issues? You seem to be talking about a mish mash of different issues. Maybe try to list each of them as seperate points.

As a general concept, there are imo too many hoops internationally qualified individuals have to jump through - many cases dont involve a doctor for example. And Im not sure I trust many doctors in Canada now fwiw - many are afraid to tow anything but the mainstream narrative for fear of losing their license. Is it their fault? Not entirely, but my confidence in most institutions has never been lower.

Youre right about mandates not having an impact in trades and immigration if im not mistaken. Il comparmentalize my arguments better you can disregard this particular point.

 

[DinkleMouse]

I am going to paraphrase Winston Churchill for you: "First past is badly broken. Except for all the others." Check proportional representation in Israel where parties with very few seats have outsize power because they tip the balance.

That's an interesting way to paraphrase him. He said, "Many forms of Government have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.…" He was speaking in support of democracy, and proportional representation is a far more accurate implementation of democracy than first past the post. You literally paraphrased and changed his entire meaning.

He was also a rampant racist and is therefore hardly all-knowing anyway though. But I do agree with him about democracy.

If fringe parties have a toe-hold in the Israeli Knesset, it tells you that fringe views have a toe-hold in Israel. I also fail to see where parties with very few seats are tipping anything. Noam has 1 seat, for example, and is officially part of the Government, but even without that seat the Government still have a majority over the Opposition. In fact the swing is 8 seats, and only the two biggest parties in Government can cover that. The same is true in the Opposition. So the Government could want to pass a bill that Yahadut HaTora doesn't like, but make up those votes if Yisrael Beiteinu is in favour.

The only real reason to not want proportional representation is if you really like majority government. Almost certainly, in Canada, it would be a while before those who like the Conservatives today ever had the reigns again if we moved away from FPTP. But other conservative parties, who might be more progressive or moderate, might have a bigger say. Or rather the far right nutjobs might leave the Conservative party and it might stop catering to the fringe and become a rational party again finding itself come to favour. We'd also see new more left-leaning options, or even the Liberals shed some of the more aggressively left views. A centrist bloc might form out of these new Conservative and Liberal parties to dominate the landscape.

I wouldn't want the Sharia Law Party, or the Communist Party, or the Fascist Party running the show. But I'm perfectly happy letting them run in elections and draw votes away so that parties stop catering to them. If 1 seats worth of voters are fascist, then let the fascists win 1 seat. And then we'll know we need to focus on better education to get that down. Instead we have no idea how popular ideas are or where we most need work.

A lot of our government waste comes from elections that swing the party on power who then undo the stuff the last party has started at immense cost. Proportional Representation would likely give us more stability and eliminate that. It would also reduce the power of any one party meaning little pet projects that don't benefit anyone wouldn't really go ahead.

 

[Frankfooter]

The system was broken long before Dougie was in office...did he try to fix it? no he didn't do shit all....

He actively made it worse by allowing better access to donors/corporate landlords.

 

[explorerzip]

As a general concept, there are imo too many hoops internationally qualified individuals have to jump through - many cases dont involve a doctor for example. And Im not sure I trust many doctors in Canada now fwiw - many are afraid to tow anything but the mainstream narrative for fear of losing their license. Is it their fault? Not entirely, but my confidence in most institutions has never been lower.

Youre right about mandates not having an impact in trades and immigration if im not mistaken. Il comparmentalize my arguments better you can disregard this particular point.

I generally agree with what you're saying, but I think most people are in favor (even just a little) of protectionist measures if it helps them keep their jobs and wages high. The same goes for towing the party line. People have bills to pay and familes to feed so they don't like rocking the boat.

 

[drewstar]

I generally agree with what you're saying, but I think most people are in favor (even just a little) of protectionist measures if it helps them keep their jobs and wages high. The same goes for towing the party line. People have bills to pay and familes to feed so they don't like rocking the boat.

I get that part too. Damned if you do, damned if you dont. If our collective resolve was unified we wouldnt be picked off one by one. But alas, people will bend over at the first sign of adversity, and many will do so willingly.

Either way, good luck to us as a society. The current trajectory shows no signs of veering off course for the better.

 

[lomotil]

Too ignorant to acknowledge them???? Really? Anyone who doesn’t get involved in discussion with you on those off topic point is ignorant????

Why would anyone want to discuss anything with you if that is your attitude???? You are already insulting before we can get to the actual topic at hand.

You are just acting like a bully. A narcissistic one at that. “Pay attention to me or your are ignorant” Did you stomp your little feet while you said it too????

oh and for the record - I have not even stated my stance. Which is I agree. There are too many refugees brought it and dumped in Toronto. I think immigration reform is needed and people need to be placed in other areas of the country. I think recourses are needed to be set up. Better housing. So before you call me ignorant - maybe take the time to find out my actual stance.

Generally, the social services, language translators, medical and legal and community services that Toronto has are not available in the smaller town are they? Also small town folk would in many cases be much more xenophobic.
Maybe the asylum seekers know that too eh ?

 

[explorerzip]

If our collective resolve was unified we wouldnt be picked off one by one.

Except if you take a collective mindset too far, it's called Communism.

 

[drewstar]

Except if you take a collective mindset too far, it's called Communism.

One could argue we’re more than halfway there considering from the past 3.5+ years with how bank accounts can be frozen without due process unless its a govt sanctioned protest, and were taxed into oblivion with not much to show for it.

Property tax
Carbon tax
Sales tax
Income tax