Should PSE be classified into 2 categories?

[flyingwood]

orrrrr you could simply ask the Lady in question if she is willing to provide you said service.. cuz no matter what someones idea of PSE will be different than yours and mine and his and of hers

Yes. But once enter the door, it's the YMMV world.

BTW, I have a 3 step approach.
1st. At the beginning of the session, asking the SP if I could do the things I want.
2nd. Setup a signal and word the SP can use to stop me if she feels uncomfortable.
3rd. Even if the SP is ok with certain actions, I still test first. For example gagging. I do one gagging first, ask her how she feels so that I can do adjustment.
The basic idea is to give the SP the chance to say no/stop at the beginning of the session, before the rough part take place, and during the rough part. So far, sometimes I got what I want. Sometimes I didn't. Do you think if there are anything I can improve?

 

[SweetSerenity]

Yes. But once enter the door, it's the YMMV world.

BTW, I have a 3 step approach.
1st. At the beginning of the session, asking the SP if I could do the things I want.
2nd. Setup a signal and word the SP can use to stop me if she feels uncomfortable.
3rd. Even if the SP is ok with certain actions, I still test first. For example gagging. I do one gagging first, ask her how she feels so that I can do adjustment.
The basic idea is to give the SP the chance to say no/stop at the beginning of the session, before the rough part take place, and during the rough part. So far, sometimes I got what I want. Sometimes I didn't. Do you think if there are anything I can improve?

you just defined the basics of a D/s or BDSM related session. Or at least what are supposed to be the basics.
The reason a lot of women who provide these services don't refer to themselves as BDSM providers is because of the negative connotations some people put with the term. That and if you label yourself as a BDSM provider you get a lot of wannabe Doms who don't have any control and don't know when to ease up or stop. It is easier to just list BDSM services without using the term, so that you don't have to weed through the wannabe/newbie idiots who can't take direction or understand what they are being told.

 

[flyingwood]

you just defined the basics of a D/s or BDSM related session. Or at least what are supposed to be the basics.

Maybe they are the basics of a BDSM related session (I don't know much about D/s, not into the leather and chain stuff). But I think they should be applied to kinky/rough sex as well.

I have an regular who has sensitive skin. Once I noticed her breasts had some red marks. It turned out she got a client like to squeeze tits hard during sex. He would stop doing it after being told to stop. But after awhile, during the heat fo sex, he would do it again. That fucking moron was not in a BDSM session. But he did not respect the girl's boundary and certainly does not have enough self-control to engage into rough/kinky sex.

 

[SweetSerenity]

Maybe they are the basics of a BDSM related session (I don't know much about D/s, not into the leather and chain stuff). But I think they should be applied to kinky/rough sex as well.

I have an regular who has sensitive skin. Once I noticed her breasts had some red marks. It turned out she got a client like to squeeze tits hard during sex. He would stop doing it after being told to stop. But after awhile, during the heat fo sex, he would do it again. That fucking moron was not in a BDSM session. But he did not respect the girl's boundary and certainly does not have enough self-control to engage into rough/kinky sex.

Most rough sex can actually qualify as BDSM, as the term covers an incredibly wide range of things, including mild masochism/sadism(which is where most rough sex falls, as it involves an edge of pain)

P.S- D/s is not about leather and chain stuff, that is covered under general BDSM/bondage. D/s is far more complex. It is about trust, respect and control. Everything else is just personal preference decided upon after the fact.

 

[legmann]

My definition of PSE would certainly include greek.

But there are a lot of GFE and even non-GFE providers that offer it (for an extra fee). There's no exchange of bodily fluids as with the BBBJ or CIM expected of PSE; it's just a different orifice that some girls enjoy having filled - without having to engage in slew of other PSE-type activities. (I know of one SP in Vancouver who wouldn't even kiss, let alone provide BBBJ, yet she did offer Greek and quite enjoyed it.)

 

[Hiding]

your definetion of full PSE has a more BDSM feel to it.more like you want your SP to be submissive

Maybe they are the basics of a BDSM related session (I don't know much about D/s, not into the leather and chain stuff). But I think they should be applied to kinky/rough sex as well.

^What Raven and Serenity said. "Kinky/rough" sex means the same darn thing. If you're looking for a "full PSE" as defined by this thread you'll want to find an escort who is submissive (or willing to do some basic switching), these are the words for the actions you are describing - if you're not using them, you're likely to be let down in terms of services. I do NOT think the things you've listed are necessary to be a called PSE provider; its unfair to expect all of these relatively extreme menu items from someone who is NOT identifying in a BDSM way.

Find a subbie escort and most/all of the things you've listed should be available to you.

(For the record, this is a category I fit into ONLY when I am "in the mood" and as such if this is your particular niche I am not a guaranteed "good choice".)

 

[flyingwood]

Most rough sex can actually qualify as BDSM, as the term covers an incredibly wide range of things, including mild masochism/sadism(which is where most rough sex falls, as it involves an edge of pain)

P.S- D/s is not about leather and chain stuff, that is covered under general BDSM/bondage. D/s is far more complex. It is about trust, respect and control. Everything else is just personal preference decided upon after the fact.

Got it. It must be frustrated talking someone who has no idea what BDSM really is. Sorry for that. Thanks for the information.

I do NOT think the things you've listed are necessary to be a called PSE provider; its unfair to expect all of these relatively extreme menu items from someone who is NOT identifying in a BDSM way.

Find a subbie escort and most/all of the things you've listed should be available to you.

(For the record, this is a category I fit into ONLY when I am "in the mood" and as such if this is your particular niche I am not a guaranteed "good choice".)

Yes, I agreed. That's part of the reason I asked the question. My original thought is all the kinky stuffs should not belong to normal PSE. They should have their own category. So I made up a name "Full PSE." It seems they already have their place in BDSM.

lol. No, it's not my particular niche. I enjoy all kinds of sex, from vanilla to a little kinky. Sticking with one particular type is boring. IMO, there's no guaranteed good choice. Going with flow and not taking rejection personaly is the best thing a client can and should do. Afterall, YMMV roles. Btw, sorry for making you feel unease. Your advice is well taken.

 

[Hiding]

Got it. It must be frustrated talking someone who has no idea what BDSM really is. Sorry for that. Thanks for the information.
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lol. No, it's not my particular niche. I enjoy all kinds of sex, from vanilla to a little kinky. Sticking with one particular type is boring. IMO, there's no guaranteed good choice. Going with flow and not taking rejection personaly is the best thing a client can and should do. Afterall, YMMV roles. Btw, sorry for making you feel unease. Your advice is well taken.

Not at all, its really cool. I'm not uneasy at all, it is just easier for me to clarify where I stand in advance. Disappointing someone is a horrible feeling! And yes, variety makes everything more fun

I hope knowing what to ask for means you get off hard for your ears to pop and for you to see stars!

 

[SweetSerenity]

Got it. It must be frustrated talking someone who has no idea what BDSM really is. Sorry for that. Thanks for the information.

No worries, as long as you are open to reading the information without prejudice, I am happy to discuss it. It isn't frustrating, its just normal for me, I have discussions about BDSM, D/s and S&M stuff all the time, as I tend to look less frightening and I treat others nicer than some can when talking about the lifestyle.

 

[MrBingo]

true GFE SPs should provide dfk...

 

[freebee_52]

Until this thread I also thought PSE meant PLEASE STAY ERECT.

 

[euripides]

Dick shoots on face / on tits.

Who is Dick? What about guys not named Richard?