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Should Natives have the right to block Canadian railways ?

Should Natives or anyone else get away with this?

  • No

    Votes: 157 81.8%
  • Yes

    Votes: 35 18.2%

  • Total voters
    192

Conil

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Apr 12, 2013
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OPP move in to clear Tyendinaga Mohawk rail blockade

Ontario Provincial Police moved Monday morning to clear a rail blockade on Tyendinaga Mohawk Territory.

The blockade near Belleville has crippled both freight and passenger rail traffic in most of eastern Canada for nearly three weeks.

Ontario Provincial Police and CN Rail had reportedly given protesters until midnight Sunday to clear the blockade or face an investigation and possible criminal charges.
The barricades were a response to a move by the RCMP to clear protesters who had been blocking access to a Coastal GasLink natural gas pipeline worksite on Wet’suwet’en territory in northern British Columbia.

The OPP said in a statement, to date, there had been no arrests made and no injuries.

“The OPP has a legal responsibility to enforce the injunction and began doing so this morning,” reads the statement. “The OPP has called upon all those involved to abide by the injunction and leave the area and to not put public peace or anyone’s safety in jeopardy.”
It says enforcement of the injunction may include those who choose not to comply, “however, use of force remains a last resort.”

Hereditary chiefs of the Wet’suwet’en Nation oppose the work on their traditional territory, despite support from elected band councils along the pipeline route.

On Friday, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said the barricades had to come down and injunctions ordering the tracks cleared needed to be enforced.
Trudeau spoke by phone Sunday with Ontario Premier Doug Ford, Quebec Premier Francois Legault, and B.C.’s John Horgan “to discuss the railway blockades and the impacts they are having across the country on Canadians and the economy.”

According to a statement from the PMO, Trudeau informed the premiers of measures being taken to ensure that critical needs are addressed, including propane, chemicals to treat drinking water, and essential agricultural products.

“We will remain in close contact with all provinces to address urgent needs as required, and we will continue to support co-ordinated efforts to find a resolution,” the statement said.
Trudeau and the premiers also reiterated their commitment to resolving the situation peacefully.

Wet’suwet’en Heredity Chief Na’moks, also known as John Ridsdale, said Sunday that Trudeau’s “antagonistic” speech had just the opposite effect.

“If the prime minister had not made that speech the Mohawks would have taken down everything,” he said. “They were ready. We were on the phone.”

Na’moks said all five hereditary chiefs were expected to meet in northern B.C. Monday to plan their next steps and talks with the RCMP could resume on Thursday at the earliest.

He said the chiefs will not budge from their demands for the Mounties to remove every component of a mobile unit from their territory before meeting with them.

Dawn Roberts, a spokeswoman for the RCMP, said the mobile unit had been temporarily closed and discussions were underway with the deputy commissioner about its future.

The chiefs visited supporters this week in Tyendinaga and Kahnawake south of Montreal, and repeated that their conditions for talks to begin had not been met.

https://torontosun.com/news/provinc...a-mohawks-midnight-deadline-to-clear-blockade
 

rhuarc29

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Apr 15, 2009
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I'm sure the media will rake them over the coals for it, but I'm glad some action is finally being taken.
 

lomotil

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Mar 14, 2004
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Oblivion
I believe that this tactic will be tried again as required by First Nations groups. The government is loath to use force against this unique type of civil-disobedience / criminal activity.
 

nottyboi

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May 14, 2008
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I'm sure the media will rake them over the coals for it, but I'm glad some action is finally being taken.
there is already a new blockade on the go trains. As I said before you cannot really enforce this sort of thing. With the pipeline company given a 30day stop work, there is NO REASON for the RCMP to be there. They need to get their heads out of their asses and get the FUCK off these peoples land.
 

SchlongConery

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Jan 28, 2013
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there is already a new blockade on the go trains. As I said before you cannot really enforce this sort of thing. With the pipeline company given a 30day stop work, there is NO REASON for the RCMP to be there. They need to get their heads out of their asses and get the FUCK off these peoples land.

Unfortunately, the RCMP did leave yesterday and today the Pipeline company rolled 40 trucks right back down the road and started back to work. Despite the BC government's request to speak with the hereditary chiefs before moving forward.

Just shows bad faith on behalf of the pipeline company. Suggests they have no intention of entering into good faith discussions with the natives. Can't say that I am not surprised the Natives resort to these protests.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/coastal-gaslink-work-camp-expansion-continues-1.5474587


Despite a recent directive from B.C.'s Environmental Assessment Office for Coastal GasLink to consult further with First Nations along a stretch of its pipeline route at the heart of the Wet'suwet'en conflict, the company's work continues along the Morice West Forest Service Road in northern B.C.
The company and its contractors are expanding a worker accommodation camp located about 18 kilometres past the Unist'ot'en healing village.
"I don't know why they wouldn't stand down while discussions are being planned here but thus far they're still out there," said Na'moks, hereditary chief for the Tsayu clan.
Coastal GasLink remains fully permitted under its B.C. environmental assessment certificate to continue camp construction work in the area.
The company was told recently by the environmental assessment office that it does need to do further consultation work before full construction in the area can be approved.

[FONT=&quot]With Coastal GasLink contractors continuing to move through the area subject to the B.C. Supreme Court injunction, RCMP say police will continue to do patrols to ensure the road remains open, despite calls from the hereditary chiefs to get off the territory. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The situation on the territory has calmed since the RCMP concluded its "major enforcement operations" two weeks ago, but a resolution to the conflict overall remains in limbo.

According to traffic logs from people at the Unist'ot'en checkpoint at the 66-kilometre mark of the forest service road, an average of 40 pickup trucks have been passing every day, along with heavy machinery. Those figures do not include regular patrols by members of the RCMP. [/FONT]
 

surferboy

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Jan 7, 2014
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I get the protest out in BC it's a legitimate claim...but don't be facking over the poor commuters on via passenger trains out this way. These people want to go to & from work & are contributing to our economy give'm a break!
 

james t kirk

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Aug 17, 2001
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Unfortunately, the RCMP did leave yesterday and today the Pipeline company rolled 40 trucks right back down the road and started back to work. Despite the BC government's request to speak with the hereditary chiefs before moving forward.

Just shows bad faith on behalf of the pipeline company. Suggests they have no intention of entering into good faith discussions with the natives. Can't say that I am not surprised the Natives resort to these protests.



https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/coastal-gaslink-work-camp-expansion-continues-1.5474587


[FONT=&]Despite a recent directive from B.C.'s Environmental Assessment Office for Coastal GasLink to consult further with First Nations along a stretch of its pipeline route at the heart of the Wet'suwet'en conflict, the company's work continues along the Morice West Forest Service Road in northern B.C. [/FONT]
[FONT=&]The company and its contractors are expanding a worker accommodation camp located about 18 kilometres past the Unist'ot'en healing village. [/FONT]
[FONT=&]"I don't know why they wouldn't stand down while discussions are being planned here but thus far they're still out there," said Na'moks, hereditary chief for the Tsayu clan.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]Coastal GasLink remains fully permitted under its B.C. environmental assessment certificate to continue camp construction work in the area.[/FONT]
[FONT=&]The company was told recently by the environmental assessment office that it does need to do further consultation work before full construction in the area can be approved.

[/FONT][FONT="]With Coastal GasLink contractors continuing to move through the area subject to the B.C. Supreme Court injunction, RCMP say police will continue to do patrols to ensure the road remains open, despite calls from the hereditary chiefs to get off the territory. [/FONT]
[FONT="]The situation on the territory has calmed since the RCMP concluded its "major enforcement operations" two weeks ago, but a resolution to the conflict overall remains in limbo.

According to traffic logs from people at the Unist'ot'en checkpoint at the 66-kilometre mark of the forest service road, an average of 40 pickup trucks have been passing every day, along with heavy machinery. Those figures do not include regular patrols by members of the RCMP. [/FONT]

It was a request, not an Order to Comply.

Since the company building the pipelines has all of its required permits in place and in order, why would they stop?

Because the BC Government asked them to do so? Did the BC government commit to covering the company's delay costs? (I doubt it.) So why stop? Legally, the BC government does not have the authority to compel them to stop. (I wouldn't either if I were them.)

It sucks if a small minority of people think that their voices trump the majority's voice, however, it's called democracy. It's what we've got and it's fair.

There is no reason in the world for the pipeline company to stop.

If the BC government wanted to, it could pay the cost to reroute the pipeline to the south. But you don't see that happening, nor will you. (Imagine that.)
 

spankingman

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Dec 7, 2008
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they have set up in Caledonia and Monday night set up along the GO line from Hamilton to Aldershot which will be a MAJOR rail disruption from Hamilton to Toronto!!
 

james t kirk

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they have set up in Caledonia and Monday night set up along the GO line from Hamilton to Aldershot which will be a MAJOR rail disruption from Hamilton to Toronto!!
There's tens of thousands of miles of railway track in Canada. It is impossible to guard them all.

But nothing would compare to blocking the lines in and out of Union Station. Or the subways in Toronto. Even better. Part of me would love to see how the NDP crowd in Toronto would like it if suddenly they were inconvenienced . Not to mention getting them out of the subways would be beyond difficult.

The only solution I see is financial penalties to those bands who support this kind of bullshit. Just turn off the free money pipeline.

The will be an interesting test of Mr. Dressup's spine. (I'm betting he fails miserably.) He'd be best to jump on a plane to go on vacation.
 

Ceiling Cat

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Feb 25, 2009
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Just turn off the free money pipeline.
That would be the way to discourage them from participating in this sort of civil disobedience. The Canadian government has stood back and let the natives show how disruptive and costly their actions are to the Canadian economy. The best way is to immediately serve them with a court injunction and arrest them and fine them to deprive them of money that will come out of their Freeby checks.
 

farquhar

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Jan 25, 2019
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they have set up in Caledonia and Monday night set up along the GO line from Hamilton to Aldershot which will be a MAJOR rail disruption from Hamilton to Toronto!!
Not really; the tracks West of Aldershot have a very high volume of freight traffic; CP and CN can only provide enough time to GO to run 8 trains into and out of Hamilton on weekdays, during morning and evening rush hours.

Outside of that time, the Lakeshore West GO Trains normally terminate at Aldershot, and passengers wanting to travel into Hamilton must transfer to a GO bus (or vice-versa if going in the other direction).

Normally, however, if one wants to travel directly between Downtown Hamilton and Toronto Union Station, one does so by GO bus; an Express bus service operates several times an hour, 365 days a year.

The Natives aren't stupid....they know if they occupy any other point on the rail line and cause a major disruption to GO service, the OPP will be there in a flash to throw their assess off.

At the point on the rail line where the Natives are currently blockading, there is a minor inconvenience to GO passengers coming and going to Hamilton....but GO can simply replace the (limited) Train service between Hamilton and Aldershot with buses.

It's CN and CP who get majorly fucked over, as the blockade impedes their freight operations.
 

blueray

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Apr 15, 2008
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This is what happens when you get all wishy washy passive with these people, blockades popping up everywhere. Every blockade should have been taken down immediately after receiving the court injunctions. People who refuse to leave should be arrested and charged.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Dec 27, 2010
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This is what happens when you get all wishy washy passive with these people, blockades popping up everywhere. Every blockade should have been taken down immediately after receiving the court injunctions. People who refuse to leave should be arrested and charged
This ^^
 

farquhar

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Jan 25, 2019
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Well, now protesters are blocking tracks on the Milton and Lakeshore East GO Train Lines:


I don't see any Natives in this video; what I do see is a bunch of young, clueless, people who clearly don't have enough to do with their lives.
 

whitewaterguy

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Well, now protesters are blocking tracks on the Milton and Lakeshore East Lines:


I don't see any Natives in this video; what I do see is a bunch of young, clueless, people who clearly don't have enough to do with their lives.
That’s some awesome talent you have there ,...distinguishing natives from non natives based on appearance Lol
 

Knuckle Ball

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Oct 15, 2017
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This is just going to keep escalating. I think the government should just cancel the project.
 

farquhar

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That’s some awesome talent you have there ,...distinguishing natives from non natives based on appearance Lol
Well, at least I'm good at something. I wonder what talents these people in the video have, other than loitering on private property
 

kbiii2

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This is just going to keep escalating. I think the government should just cancel the project.
That's probably not a good idea. Once you do that you are inviting a similar response to virtually any project a small minority doesn't agree with. Anarchy could become a common occurrence with all the associated bad results. Then you might have to call on the army, not just the police.
 
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