Read any of the links I provided which have been written by those who have studied this in depth? Or still giving your opinion?
Shooting at Eaton Centre
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1 and 2: I addressed why I read it as CM. You can't read. So sad. I have no idea what DM [I assume our local Dane, or is it someone else?] does in terms of quoting. Unlike you I am not some 14 year old girl who keeps a terb journal. DM CM, it could easily been seen as a typo espcially as C and D are next to each other on the keyboard and considering what you normally whine about wrt cut and paste. I said I didn't pull a Canada-man, I never said anything about not cut and pasting. Remember when I said I actually read what I quoted. Talk about needing to work on reading comprehension. I've made this clear, yet you accuse me of perpetuating a con. Liar or retarded, not that anyone else is reading this or give a shit... fuck it it doesn't matter, clown shoes either way.
I love your third point.
"You're right, it isn't a paper, but you tried to pull a fast one and got caught. I'll admit you're quick on the spot, but not quick enough. "
You got me. I tried to pull a fast one. I tried to present Bill Cosby's opinions as his Bill Cosby's. I am a monster, won't somebody PLEASE think of the children! I might as well change my name Paul Bernardo and buy a van with Free Candy painted on the side. You really are a silly joke.
I present Blackrock13.
The only way you could make that claim is if you'v expanded the field to dilute street crime out of the results. For example, you might be including domestic violence, or you might be including minor assaults. If you do that you'll dilute street crime out of the picture.
But if you look at shootings that do not have a domestic violence element, you will find out that almost all of them are carried out by blacks against other blacks.
Again, this is not a poverty thing. Blacks are only a small minority of Toronto's poor, but they dominate gun crime in this city. If this surprises you go have a look at black culture--it's all about guns, violence, gangs, and glamorizing those things. Then go look at asian culture, and listen to the music there--it's all love songs, nothing violent. It's a fact that black culture glamorizes violence and that this leads to more gun crime by blacks--primarily against each other.
fugi your a friggin goof....you think only the "black community" glorifies violence....the whole human race does...violence on tv, movies..MMA. Ultimate Fighter, what would the Indy 500 be without a car crash....should i go on......the human race is a violent race, not exclusive to those of a certain skin colour.....Frankcastle and Toke make good solid valid points....you however are in the Rockslinger zone, that of a moron...
Woo (lol)! This must be a typo or else its rich black kids joining gangs. What channel did you learn that from? :thumb:
FC said that he lives in a ghetto (and then deleted it). How is that a good zone?
There are 600k people in Toronto in the low income category, and the TOTAL black population is only 200k. Even if every single black were poor (and they are not all poor) there simply aren't enough blacks in Toronto for them to be a majority of the poor. In reality blacks represent less than a quarter of Toronto's poor, so if poverty were the only predictor of gun crime you would expect blacks to be responsible for at most 1/4 of the non-domestic shootings, but they are responsible for almost all of them.
I await your apology for your offside comment a couple of posts above.
And yes, I think there is some reason to believe that there are black kids who join gangs even when they come from middle income families.
There is an article in the Saturday Star about Mr. Husbands being tortured by, among others, the man he killed in the Eaton Centre.
Okay Fuji,
Black population by province or territory by % of the provincial population in 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Canadians
Ont 3.9%
Que 2.5%
NS 2.1%
Alb 1.4%
Man 1.4
NWT 0.9%
BC 0.7%
NB 0.6%
Sask 0.5%
PEI 0.5%
Yukon 0.4%
Nun 0.3%
NFLD 0.2%
Crimes in Canada per 100 K by province and type of crime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada
HOMOCIDES
Nun 6.5/100K
Sask 4.1/100K
Man 3.3/100K
Alb 2.8/100K
BC 2.5/100K
ON 1.5/100 K
Nationwide avg = 1.9/100K
As you can see if FUJI was right in saying that blacks commit more gun violence then why is it that homocides and black populations don't correlate at all?
If you expand crime to crimes of violence so assault, murder, sexual assault ontario and quebec the two provincese with by far the most blacks comes in tied at 11th place!
Now to review
Only 6% of canadian prisoners are black
Blacks made up 2% of the population
By way of comparison aboriginals were about 12% prisoners and 3% of the pop (from memory could be wrong but what is correct is that it is far more dramatic than blacks see earlier post and link for actual numbers)
number of black prisoners to black people works out to about 1.8/1000
Number of white.euro/latin prisoners to white/euro/latin people is about 1/1000
Very close and perhaps the difference is that whites can afford better lawyers or are treated better by jurys. BUT EVEN IF THIS DOESN'T happen the black community is not far off which suggests that the socalled toxic effect of the black community is not dramatic.
Black population by province or territory by % of the provincial population in 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Canadians
Ont 3.9%
Que 2.5%
NS 2.1%
Alb 1.4%
Man 1.4
NWT 0.9%
BC 0.7%
NB 0.6%
Sask 0.5%
PEI 0.5%
Yukon 0.4%
Nun 0.3%
NFLD 0.2%
Crimes in Canada per 100 K by province and type of crime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada
HOMOCIDES
Nun 6.5/100K
Sask 4.1/100K
Man 3.3/100K
Alb 2.8/100K
BC 2.5/100K
ON 1.5/100 K
Nationwide avg = 1.9/100K
As you can see if FUJI was right in saying that blacks commit more gun violence then why is it that homocides and black populations don't correlate at all?
If you expand crime to crimes of violence so assault, murder, sexual assault ontario and quebec the two provincese with by far the most blacks comes in tied at 11th place!
Now to review
Only 6% of canadian prisoners are black
Blacks made up 2% of the population
By way of comparison aboriginals were about 12% prisoners and 3% of the pop (from memory could be wrong but what is correct is that it is far more dramatic than blacks see earlier post and link for actual numbers)
number of black prisoners to black people works out to about 1.8/1000
Number of white.euro/latin prisoners to white/euro/latin people is about 1/1000
Very close and perhaps the difference is that whites can afford better lawyers or are treated better by jurys. BUT EVEN IF THIS DOESN'T happen the black community is not far off which suggests that the socalled toxic effect of the black community is not dramatic.
Yes because I didn't want this to get personal.
A debate shouldn't be won by someone due to their cred. So if you have black friends, live in a black neighbourhood, or work with blacks that doesn't make you any more well equipped to talk about this subject.
This is called a false appeal to authority.
And at least quote me right. I answered yes to living in a black community..... not a ghetto your words not mine.
People who actually live in Regent Park can provide better insights on the happenings in that area. According to the Star, the revitalization of Regent Park has screwed up the gang boundaries and that explains the increase in shootings this year. Turf war that spilled over into the Eaton Centre.
Okay then people should qualify their statements by saying based on what they see in Regent park or whatever.
The problem I have is that people take those so called observations and expand them to blacks in general.
IF they mean regent park they should have said so or have the balls to ammend their comments.
Without stats it is just an opinion.
But people treat their opinions like facts.
Hopefully with the stats that I provided people can see that more blacks does not mean more crime.
Also, hopefully they can see that the black community as a nation are not far off from whites in terms of number of prisoners /1000 people of that specific ethnicity.
I wonder if the stats changed anyones minds or surprised anyone. I'll be honest I was. My opinion was that blacks = more crime but that was an opinion and I took the time to do the research and now I feel stupid for thinking that.
I assumed that ON having more people would be one of the more violent provinces but in fact it is far from it.
I assumed more than 6% prisoners were black.
Also, hopefully they can see that the black community as a nation are not far off from whites in terms of number of prisoners /1000 people of that specific ethnicity.
I wonder if the stats changed anyones minds or surprised anyone. I'll be honest I was. My opinion was that blacks = more crime but that was an opinion and I took the time to do the research and now I feel stupid for thinking that.
I assumed that ON having more people would be one of the more violent provinces but in fact it is far from it.
I assumed more than 6% prisoners were black.
While I presently do not agree with your contention, I do appreciate you bringing in the statistics.
I will give them a second look.
Please by all means look at those stats it would be great for a fresh set of eyes.
Here's more interesting stats
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada
Que is 6th for drug offenses
Ont is 7th for drug offenses
On and Que are 9th and 8th for sexual assaults
On and Que are 6th and 8th for homicides
Yet Ont is 1 and Quebec is 2 for black population.
In fact I couldn't find any type of crime where On or Que were 1 or 2.
In other words the raping, killing, drug dealing black is a bit of a myth. Sure they exist but it would seem there are plenty of other guys getting into the act.
Unless..............blacks are so prolific that they are commiting multiple crimes to make up for their low population.
So you know what. I'd rather no one is getting shot. But when you look at crime in On and Que vs the other provinces and Territories we are doing quite well in making it a safer place to live. In a number of cases crimes of certain types were double, triiple or even more!
Edit: Another intersting stat..... 1/3 of murders were with a gun. So the top 5 provinces in the lead for murders must have a lot of white shooting people. Seeing as there isn't a connection between black population and crime rates.
Que and On have the lowest crime rates but by far the highest populations of blacks.
In 2005 here's the shooting deaths
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/pubs/fire-feu-eval/t2a-eng.htm
used these stats and compared it to poplation for 2005
ONT 6.7 deaths/1000000 people
Maritimes 6.9/1000000
BC 8.6/1000000
Praries 11.3/1000000
Que 4.8/1000000
NWT etc 19.4/1000000
In other words ON and Que are not the most dangeroues provinces to get shot in despite having the highest black population,
http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/pubs/fire-feu-eval/t2a-eng.htm
used these stats and compared it to poplation for 2005
ONT 6.7 deaths/1000000 people
Maritimes 6.9/1000000
BC 8.6/1000000
Praries 11.3/1000000
Que 4.8/1000000
NWT etc 19.4/1000000
In other words ON and Que are not the most dangeroues provinces to get shot in despite having the highest black population,
Because you're not using the right statistics, you're broadening the field to include many crimes and homicides unrelated to street crime, diluting the effect so that it becomes insignificant. Street killings are only a small percentage of total homicides so when you look at total homicides other effects dominates. In short, it's false to assume that total homicides correlates to street homicides, so of course total homicides won't correlate to black populations. You ought to be looking at non-domestic shootings. Instead you're looking at all homicides. That muddies the water with spousal homicides and similar, which are a big problem, but one unrelated to the black problem. Moreover, gang violence, which is where blacks commit the shootings, only really occur in major cities for a variety of reasons--it requires a certain concentration of people in a particular place to create a gang and have gang violence. Isolated blacks in small communities aren't going to form into gangs, therefore, you can only really look at major cities.
When you look at total crime stats you dilute away the effect even more. There's lots of crime out there, most of which has nothing to do with the cultural problem in the black community. Shoplifting, minor drug crimes, fraud, petty theft, domestic assaults. You wind up reducing the crimes that we're interested in to a small percentage of the total so that the effects get washed away. It's dishonest. Well, if you did it intentionally it's dishonest, and you ought to know better.
You still are evading the fact that in Toronto blacks are only 8% of the population, only a third of the poor, yet commit almost all the street shootings.
You can keep obfuscating and throwing up irrelevant statistics but you won't escape that one. You're just losing credibility by denying what everyone can see is the case. You'd do better to try and point at the historic reasons why blacks have a cultural problem, rather than denying that there is a cultural problem.
fuji, it is you who has made the mistake of using the terms "violent crimes" interchangeably with "gun violence". Violent crimes do include murders, sexual assault, rape, and domestic abuse - not just gun violence. frankcastle's stats address your assertion that Blacks commit the majority of violent crimes in Canada, or even a higher proportion compared to all ethnic groups in Canada. They do not. The majority of gun violence, perhaps. It's an important distinction that needs to remain clear if the discussion is going to go anywhere from here.
GG2, I have been clear about what crimes are most often committed by blacks, namely non domestic shootings, gang violence. Pulling one phrase out of a post and pretending there is any ambiguity in my statement when my full posts make it quite clear, is a little lame.
The other major source of homicides is domestic violence which is an important problem in its own right but not too relevant to this thread.
The other major source of homicides is domestic violence which is an important problem in its own right but not too relevant to this thread.
