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gryfin

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Gyaos said:
I agree. Hamas, however, are NOT innocent human beings. They militarily took over Gaza, using their "election" in Palestine as an excuse they are legit to do that, throwing Fatah government officials off the roofs of buildings (how quickly we forget why Hamas are there). Well, if they were legit, why militarily take over Gaza and run away, fully, from the rest of Palestine? Also the are listed as a terrorist organization. Al Qaeda is also a terrorist organization. Iran's government is listed as a terrorist organization.

The innocents killed in Gaza, unfortunately, are the responsibility of Hamas refusing to negotiate after lobbing thousands of missiles on Israel, and the fact, Hamas militarily took over Gaza, running away from the rest of Palestine like cowards.

Rather than Hamas saying stop, they are saying to continue the Israeli assault. Not good negotiators, if you ask me. If the truth is admitted by Hamas of what they actually are, they'd all be killed and hanged faster than one of Israel's bombs hitting them. Who's going to do that? The innocents in Gaza at Hamas' gunpoint?

Gyaos Baltar.
After reading that and trying to make sense of your sentence structure, I have to wonder whether you are currently having a stroke.
 

gryfin

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Gyaos said:
Hamas leaders have gone into hiding, according to the BBC. Does that make more sense, idiot?

Gyaos.
At least it's a coherent sentence for once.

But, as for your statement - that's what any leader would do. Bush has his bunker. So does Harper. I don't see Olmert walking around without his coterie of bodyguards.

Start living in the real world.
 

landscaper

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Let me see if I understand the orignal argument in this thread, there were no threads about the current bombing and if there were they should condemn ISreal for retaliating following weeks of notice that they would?

Aside from the usual Isreal is the devil incarnate posters what part of retaliate for the random rocket attacks are you not aware of?

The Isreali govt has for at least 7 weeks now said if the rocket attacks did not stop they would do something.

Surprise they did.

The attacks came after long warnings and targetted terrorist stockpiles and meeting places, reports state that the bulk of the casualties that were killed were HAmas suporters. The Palistinian civilians who were injured or killed are a direct result of the Hamas leadership not stopping the rocket attacks.

The riseing tumult about the civilian casualties being the fault of the Isrealies is another one of the tricks from the terrorists handbook. Look at what you ahve done/ or made me do. If you had not retaliated these people would not be dead. Sorry sparky when you indescriminatly fire rockets into another country specifically to provoke a reaction why are you surprised when there is one?

As far as Isreal and the USA controlling the world it might be christmas but you don't get that big a present
 

The Houdini

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gryfin said:
They are starving. Have you picked up a newspaper in the past six months?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle5338014.ece
You don't need to enlighten me at all. I know the full history.

Yes they are destitute. But they can only blame The Hamas leadership for their predicament.

FYI, without Israel's and the world's humanitarian efforts they'd all be dead by now.

It's a very sad situation indeed. I feel bad for both sides. In Sderot's case they are helpless victims. In Gaza, their own leadeship is letting them down. Look at The West Bank, ever since Abbas has taken over, it's quite peaceful there, and it's people are a lot better off than their brothers in the south.
 

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bbking said:
...and you fail to mention that if Iran's aid was more humanitarian in nature instead of sending military equipment .... like those rockets ... then maybe the Palestinians might have a chance to form a stable country.



nnk
Those rockets are homemade you idiot ...everybody knows that
They are unguided short range with very min impact... they are nothing but fireworks for show …

As for you Mr, you are making this false statement to deliberately deceive people and for that you are a liar and cheat…

Finally, if Iran would have sent Pal's any weapon or rocket... we would not have been sitting here complaining for Israeli excessive use of force...so people please take a note of this guy’s lies now and whatever he says in the future with a grain of salt as he is a liar and a total fraud and he does that deliberately!
 

landscaper

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The short range missles are infact home made they have a range of a less than ten KM . Anything longer ranged was supplied by either Iran or Syria. Some of them have ranges of 100km , in any case the accuraqcy of them is questionable at best , at least by western standards.
 

Gyaos

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gryfin said:
At least it's a coherent sentence for once. But, as for your statement - that's what any leader would do. Bush has his bunker. So does Harper. I don't see Olmert walking around without his coterie of bodyguards.
Start living in the real world.
The real world is, the pig Hamas leaders are hiding so the people of Gaza won't kill them. If they are killed, that will end the Israeli onslaught.
What are they hiding from, F-16s? Saddam was out and about with the US all over the place.

You're a stupid twit and don't even know the word "coherent". Where did you learn philosophy, at the Gaza Islamic University? Oops, destroyed. So sorry.

Gyaos Baltar.
 

Gyaos

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persis said:
Those rockets are homemade you idiot ...everybody knows that
They are unguided short range with very min impact... they are nothing but fireworks for show …
They are smuggled weapons grade munitions and are used as terror weapons on a sovereign nation with the endorsement of Hamas' government murdering leaders. The result over many years leads to the destruction of Gaza and that bogus religion they distort at Gaza Islamic University. Is that university finally destroyed? YES!!! BOOM!!! BOOM!!! BOOM!!!

Gyaos Baltar.
 

landscaper

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I unfortunately have to disagree with BBKING on one point, the terroists are the ones stiring things up they have the least to loose. If there is a reaction they go to ground and wait it out if they get caught oh well more martyrs, the Iranians are in fact enabling the escalation with the use of more modern /effective weapon types but if the Iranians did not do it someone else would.( Large numbers of Saudi interests are suspects here as well)
 

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Cinema Face said:
Israel has the right to defend itself and not have to endure living under constant terror from rockets being fired from Gaza. Firing rockets onto civilians is an act of war..

ROLFT - If Israel have right than what about the right of Phalestenians whom land they occupied. Read history and that will be enough to open your eyes.

Bottom line is if the world have peace, then who will buy these arms?

Now these leftovers man and kids in Israel's bombing, who lost everything (homes and beloved ones), can easy be used for suidcide bombing as reveange by terrorists.

I don't think this bombing will help to Israel.
 

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4funonly said:
ROLFT - If Israel have right than what about the right of Phalestenians whom land they occupied. Read history and that will be enough to open your eyes.

Bottom line is if the world have peace, then who will buy these arms?

Now these leftovers man and kids in Israel's bombing, who lost everything (homes and beloved ones), can easy be used for suidcide bombing as reveange by terrorists.

I don't think this bombing will help to Israel.

We have been over the whos land is it anyway debate before, the Isrealis have it now and apparantly don't plan on giving it up, there are only a couple of powers on the planet that could make them anyway. The Arab nations have had several tries with limited sucsess.

Are the homes destroyed by the palistinian rocket and mortar attacks any different from the homes desroyed by the aircraft? Change the flags on the roof and who would know

The question is when will the terrorists realize they are not going to win and start planning on a future? There is no future the way they are going. The Isrealis won one of these wars 60 years ago and they no all the tricks. And keep in mind that the British forces at the time did not have a 24 hour news service to keep them honest.

Realistically the best hope for peace is talks that is not going to happen as long as the terrorists keep forcing reactions by offencive acts.
 

Earl1

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Surprised

I am surprised that americans still don't know why september 11 celebrations occured.

Earl1
 

Mia.Colpa

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gryfin said:
Then learn some history. Fast.

Also, for a person who claims they don't know enough to take sides, you seem to forget that claim pretty quickly. Try to remember what you wrote only one sentence before.
I think you know what I mean but you're just trying to be smart. I gave my opinion on the latest round of volleys from what I read, I don't know who started this damn war years ago and it always seems to go back and forth and each country always point fingers, the defense is always they started it, so I hit them back.....

Why don't you enlighten us in a Coles Notes version of your take of this ever running dispute instead of attacking and criticizing so many Terb members, not only on this thread but on many other threads on this topic in this forum.
 

The Houdini

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The latest rockets being fired into Israel are Med. range Grad missiles. I'm sure Hamas has some other weapons that are more lethal hidden away. All being smuggled through tunnels in the Rafah crossing on the border with Egypt.

The time has come for Hamas to learn "where the fish piss from"
 
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SandStorM

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Let me get a few points straight :

A lot of you guys here are actually brainwashed...

The Houdini : Receiving constant missile or rockets from the Hamas into Israel is also non acceptable for sure. The killing of innocent humans, is like i said, not acceptable. Whether Israeli, Arab, African or whatever as i've said.

You say, innocent Israelis have died by rocket fire by the Hamas. Im not supporting Hamas, however , i am supporting those innocent kids, women and men that have been severely injured, been thrown around, treated like garbage, and starved to death by no water or food or medicines lately. Israel has done that. Look at the news. Dont watch FOX News or some american media , as they all are against Palestine and dont show you the slightest crap that needs to be shown.

Hamas is indeed firing rockets, and only HAMAS should be dealt with.

"Israel does have the right to defend itself against HAMAS" , but i dont think killing and injuring over 1500 innocent people in less than 24 hours is unacceptable.

You guys should put yourself in their shoes.

Imagine living in a country, and having an extremist group living amongst you (like HAMAS) firing rockets into the US.

The US then "defends" itself and sends F-16's bombing and ripping down buildings around you, killing your loved ones, your children, and your babies.

Is that "self defense" ?

Im not supporting the HAMAS one bit, but im not supporting or falling for this Israeli self defence crap either.

The International Law and the UN have urged Israel to STOP but they are not listening. If Israel was actually right, i dont think the UN would've urged it to stop what its doing..

ITs 10000 % clear what Israel is doing is absolutely wrong..

Also, how many people have died from those so called Hamas Rockets fired into Israel ? Any figure? Its MUCH smaller than what Israel has killed in just 24 hours, not counting what Israel has done in the past.

Finally, many of you should know, where Israel came from in the first place.

Israel, has occupied Palestinian land and taken over the Palestinans land anyways.

Im not too much into History, but i do know quite a few main things..

God Bless us all .
 

SandStorM

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This is not the way

A country like Israel, having the latest technology can take care of the HAMAS in many other ways. Ways in which the innocent would not die.

Instead, Israel doesnt really give a rats ass if it kills innocent people. Thats all im saying.

Throwing bombs at the Mosque, the University, the Police station, is that the way ? Starving them of medicine, food, water, electricity ? Is that the way ?

Common, if someone still supports Israel, may God really help you.
 

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SandStorM said:
Well correct. Israel does control the US , which controls the whole world.. Its like all the nations world wide are controlled by strings that the Americans and the Israelis play with.

The only four countries i can think of that are not controlled by Israel are, Iran, Libya & North Korea & Palestine.
Great - another moron that buys the conspiracy that Israel controls the world. :cool:
 
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