As should we all. I don't see any evidence that George ever did. You bring up the future, and then try to rehash the history of the Weather Underground. You don't get it. It has no relevancy with voters today. As long as the GOP continues to distract voters with meaningless attacks, the more they will push them away.Aardvark154 said:
'Serious Damage' to McCain if Palin Probe Report Out Before Election
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OK! Thanks for answering. I didn't research it myself, but heard conflicting stories on CNN. One thing for sure Vark, although disagree with you occasionally I always respect you do your homework and then some.Aardvark154 said:
Agree with you on the second point, it was poor judgment to launch a political career with that association. Hind sight is 20/20. Every once in awhile i read Lyndon LaRouche (for entertainment mostly, but he does once in a blue moon get a good argument shining thru his madness ) he had a full smear page on the association of Michael Obama tying her with someone connected to Ayers while she was at her first Law Firm. I can't find the URL now, and it was probably just madness anyway. They might have met at the water cooler once. Anyway this thing with Ayres is not getting any traction where it counts, and its taken McCain into the weeds again, off the track. He has 20 days to reinvent his Campaign for the 5th time, for one last kick at the can. The odds are 6 to 1 against.
What is truly comical about our conservative law and order type Aardi, is how he is sooooo concerned about possible illegal connections with Ayers going back some 30 years but ignores any illegal connections that happened only a couple years ago with his Ditz in this Troopergate scandal in Alaska. I mean this is CURRENT history showing abuse of power and unethical behavior. So Aardi ignores this and prefers to obfuscate with ancient history in his attempt to deflect blame away from Ditzy Sarah.
Funny how the mind of a 'loyal bushie' apologist mindlessly meanders away ....
Funny how the mind of a 'loyal bushie' apologist mindlessly meanders away ....
I believe (without double checking) that Ayers' wife Bernadine Dohrn (who if anything was even more of a bomber than he was) was a Lawyer* (she graduated from Law School but due to her criminal record is to the best of my knowledge not admitted to the Bar) at the same firm in Chicago as Michelle Obama.Mcluhan said:
If people don't want to care that's fine off the cliff we go. Just don't then come back after Senator Obama proves to have feet of clay and say "but how were we supposed to know."
Yes, I was pretty sure it was the wife of Ayres as I recalled, but I didn't want to say unless sure. This is all very interesting. Maybe O'Bama has read up on Pierre Elliot Trudeau (oops ..dawning the bullet proof screen, this mere mention of HIS name should be good for a drive-by by Lancs ).Aardvark154 said:
You seriously don't believe that 'off the cliff' stuff do you? I would prefer to think that O'Bama will pull the country away from this dangerous brand of corporate fascism that the Cabal headed the US into. Anyway, given what O'Bama inherits, the country is already over the cliff and hanging on a ledge. The next administration wakes up in the middle of a nightmare.
I believe that Senator Obama has very little experience in government. He served in the Illinois State Senate for six years and has been a United States Senator for three years, much of which time he has spent campaigning for President. His current campaign statements seem to stand in contrast to his voting record in both the U.S. and the Illinois State Senate. Based on that voting record I don’t believe that he has a particularly good grasp of ether business nor foreign policy. Much of the support of the Senator receives seems to be more like a revival meeting than politics as traditionally practiced in the U.S. I am very leery of this “oh he is the one to save us.” Therefore in the sense that he may well prove to be another James Earl Carter, Jr. am am concerned about "jumping off the cliff."Mcluhan said:
Yet YOU voted for and continue to apologize for Dubya for 8 long dreadful disastrous years, who appears to be an idiot when contrasted next to Obama!.....Aardvark154 said:
Ok, i think those are legitimate concerns. I will offer some thoughts back, I think its very hard to gain worthwhile experience in business and in politics both over say a 25 year career span. It takes decades to get really good at the art of business in my opinion. An MBA alone certainly doesn't do it. Romney is someone that counters that position - but he is a rare bird. If you mean experience as a Governor, executive experience, you have a point. However, Obama has shown that he has good organizational abilities - look at the campaign he is running - its a phenomenal success.Aardvark154 said:
As for his ability at foreign policy, he will need to learn the stage and surround himself with good teachers. Bush had never traveled anywhere before assuming the office, and yet you supported him. US foreign policy has to be just about the most complex subject on earth. I think the guy is a quick learner and he listens. He has a good brain and he is a thinker. He also seems to have an open mind, a grounded personality, and exceptional leadership qualities. My guess is he will make some mistakes like anyone, but i have confidence the guy will land on his feet. I think he's got what it takes to lead and to inspire. My 2 cents.
If he becomes President we can only hope so. With perhaps some exceptions, I don't believe anyone hopes for a political leader to fail their country.Mcluhan said:
"appears" to be an idiot.. sorry, don't mean to pick, but I think that there is conclusive evidence dubya is an idiot...WoodPeckr said:Yet YOU voted for and continue to apologize for Dubya for 8 long dreadful disastrous years, who appears to be an idiot when contrasted next to Obama!.....
History may prove you correct. Then again most people thought that Harry Truman was a walking, talking disaster in 1953.slowandeasy said:
NOPE!Aardvark154 said:
Just the 'out of touch' myopic GOPers!
Funny how history repeats. eh......
McCain Knows He Put Country At Risk With Palin Pick
Bush Strategist: McCain Knows He Put Country At Risk With Palin Pick
Matthew Dowd | October 14, 2008 01:18 PM
Matthew Dowd, a prominent political consultant and chief strategist for George W. Bush's reelection campaign eviscerated John McCain on Tuesday for his choice of Sarah Palin as vice president.
Dowd proclaimed that, in his heart of hearts, McCain knew he put the country at risk with his VP choice and that he would "have to live" with that fact for the rest of his career.
"They didn't let John McCain pick the person he wanted to pick as VP," Dowd declared during the Time Warner Summit panel. "When Sarah Palin got picked instead of Joe Lieberman, which I fundamentally believed would have given John McCain the best opportunity in this race... as soon as he picked Palin, that whole ready versus not ready argument was not credible."
Saying that Palin was a "net negative" on the ticket, he went on: "[McCain] knows, in his gut, that he put somebody unqualified on the ballot. He knows that in his gut, and when this race is over that is something he will have to live with... He put somebody unqualified on that ballot and he put the country at risk, he knows that."
The other panelists were surprised, a bit, by Dowd's bluntness. Not least because McCain's well-known campaign motto is "country first."
"No, I don't agree," said Mark McKinnon, a former McCain aide, after chiding Dowd for claiming particular insight into McCain's soul.
"Well," responded Dowd, "that's even more disturbing than my thought" -- the implication being that it would be truly frightening if McCain didn't know how bad Palin truly was.
Time columnist Joe Klein summed up what seemed to be the panel's Palin consensus.
"It was a gimmick," he said of the pick. "It was one of the most disastrous decisions I have seen in a presidential campaign since I've begun covering them."
Later in the session, Hilary Rosen, the Huffington Post's Washington editor at large, noted that the Palin pick had been successful in energizing the Republican base -- and McCain himself. But Dowd wasn't biting.
"To me it is like Halloween," he said. "You get energized by eating all that candy at night but then you feel sick the next day."
Bush Strategist: McCain Knows He Put Country At Risk With Palin Pick
Matthew Dowd | October 14, 2008 01:18 PM
Matthew Dowd, a prominent political consultant and chief strategist for George W. Bush's reelection campaign eviscerated John McCain on Tuesday for his choice of Sarah Palin as vice president.
Dowd proclaimed that, in his heart of hearts, McCain knew he put the country at risk with his VP choice and that he would "have to live" with that fact for the rest of his career.
"They didn't let John McCain pick the person he wanted to pick as VP," Dowd declared during the Time Warner Summit panel. "When Sarah Palin got picked instead of Joe Lieberman, which I fundamentally believed would have given John McCain the best opportunity in this race... as soon as he picked Palin, that whole ready versus not ready argument was not credible."
Saying that Palin was a "net negative" on the ticket, he went on: "[McCain] knows, in his gut, that he put somebody unqualified on the ballot. He knows that in his gut, and when this race is over that is something he will have to live with... He put somebody unqualified on that ballot and he put the country at risk, he knows that."
The other panelists were surprised, a bit, by Dowd's bluntness. Not least because McCain's well-known campaign motto is "country first."
"No, I don't agree," said Mark McKinnon, a former McCain aide, after chiding Dowd for claiming particular insight into McCain's soul.
"Well," responded Dowd, "that's even more disturbing than my thought" -- the implication being that it would be truly frightening if McCain didn't know how bad Palin truly was.
Time columnist Joe Klein summed up what seemed to be the panel's Palin consensus.
"It was a gimmick," he said of the pick. "It was one of the most disastrous decisions I have seen in a presidential campaign since I've begun covering them."
Later in the session, Hilary Rosen, the Huffington Post's Washington editor at large, noted that the Palin pick had been successful in energizing the Republican base -- and McCain himself. But Dowd wasn't biting.
"To me it is like Halloween," he said. "You get energized by eating all that candy at night but then you feel sick the next day."
