The New York Post story was the first one to break this, its worth reading that one again and noting the multiple links to the Saudi government.Sorry but your article from Qatari news is rather short of details. It clearly states two Saudis who happened to be be low level government employees attempted to storm a cockpit but far from shows it was a Saudi government plot. And yes, some in Saudi were no doubt involved in terror attacks including 9/11 but that doesn't mean it was a government plot.
The people who planned the attack were Saudi and were funded by the Saudis, not by the Taliban.As for Afghanistan, the actual people who planned the attack were based in Afghanistan with the backing of the Taliban government. It makes sense as a target.
Living in Afghanistan backed by the Taliban government. If they were living in Saudi Arabia then you would have a point....
The people who planned the attack were Saudi and were funded by the Saudis, not by the Taliban.
You mean like the two Saudis who ran the dry run, off Saudi money and Saudi gov't jobs?Living in Afghanistan backed by the Taliban government. If they were living in Saudi Arabia then you would have a point.
AndCiting FBI documents, the complaint alleges that the Saudi students — Mohammed al-Qudhaeein and Hamdan al-Shalawi — were in fact members of “the Kingdom’s network of agents in the US,” and participated in the terrorist conspiracy.
More, investigators learned that the two Saudis traveled to Washington to attend a symposium hosted by the Saudi Embassy in collaboration with the Institute for Islamic and Arabic Sciences in America, which was chaired by the Saudi ambassador. Before being shut down for terrorist ties, IIASA employed the late al Qaeda cleric Anwar al-Awlaki as a lecturer. Awlaki ministered to some of the hijackers and helped them obtain housing and IDs.
The FBI also confirmed that Qudhaeein’s and Shalawi’s airline tickets for the pre-9/11 dry run were paid for by the Saudi Embassy.
“The dry run reveals more of the fingerprints of the Saudi government,” said Kristen Breitweiser, one of the New York plaintiffs, whose husband perished at the World Trade Center.
“These guys were Saudi government employees for years and were paid by the Saudi government,” she added. “In fact, the Saudi Embassy paid for their plane tickets for the dry run.”
There are many questions that remain unanswered. Why did the US ignore Pakistan? Or Qatar?http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/09/saudi-embassy-funded-911-dry-run-report-170909223532351.html
So why has the US continued to ignore Saudi involvement, instead attacking Afghanistan and Iraq?
Who knew what?
The original story came from the New York Post, see links above.Certainly not trying to 'defend' Saudi Arabia because after all the majority of the hijackers were born and educated there. Saudi Arabia breeds radical Islamic thought. It's the birthplace of Wahabism.
All these countries are complicit in the attacks.
I don't trust much coming from Al Jazeera since it is a state controlled media network of an undemocratic terrorist supporting regime.
Saudi doesn't trust Iran's word any more than Israel does. At any time, Iran can ignore the inspectors, start up their massive number of centrifuges and break out before the UN or anyone else could act.Yet Iran has signed a nuclear treaty and is presently abiding fully to that treaty.
Meanwhile the Saudi's appear to buying or have bought themselves the bomb.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/lat...abia-nuclear-weapon-pakistan-world-war-3-iran
I'm sure it fit's your "reality" and you like the assumption but as has been said many times, some low level employee of a random government agency does not mean it's a government action. If the courts determine it is true (and it would have to be based on far more evidence than the news reports) then it will be more than alleged but we'll have to see. But either way, the actual guys who planned the attack were in Afghanistan backed by Afghanistan's government.You mean like the two Saudis who ran the dry run, off Saudi money and Saudi gov't jobs?..
At present Iran's word is much better then Israel's, who continues to refuse to abide by UN resolutions.Saudi doesn't trust Iran's word any more than Israel does. At any time, Iran can ignore the inspectors, start up their massive number of centrifuges and break out before the UN or anyone else could act.
Again, from the New York Post article.I'm sure it fit's your "reality" and you like the assumption but as has been said many times, some low level employee of a random government agency does not mean it's a government action. .
These weren't two Saudis who happened to have gov't jobs, their trip was apparently funded and arranged by the Saudi Embassy.Two years before the airliner attacks, the Saudi Embassy paid for two Saudi nationals, living undercover in the US as students, to fly from Phoenix to Washington “in a dry run for the 9/11 attacks,” alleges the amended complaint filed on behalf of the families of some 1,400 victims who died in the terrorist attacks 16 years ago.
Allegedly, not apparently. As I said, it is before a court who would need far more evidence than the news story has.Again, from the New York Post article.
These weren't two Saudis who happened to have gov't jobs, their trip was apparently funded and arranged by the Saudi Embassy.
Full of extremists and poor human rights record is true. Meanwhile they are business partners with the West. Pragmatism rules there over idealism....
So far there is more evidence coming for support from Saudi then anywhere else, yet they continue to be listed as 'allies', despite being religious extremists with very poor human rights records.
Israel's human rights record is worse then either Saudi or Iran, based on their 70 year occupation and poor treatment of half of their population.Full of extremists and poor human rights record is true. Meanwhile they are business partners with the West. Pragmatism rules there over idealism.
But it is interesting that you bash Saudi for it's human rights record and religious extremism while giving Iran a pass for the same thing. And yes Israel has it's flaws but on any standard they rank far above both Iran and Saudi Arabia despite your bias.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougba...east-peace-with-attack-on-qatar/#2d7ac3156f60State Department officials complained in a long cable dated December 30, 2009: “it has been an ongoing challenge to persuade Saudi officials to treat terrorist financing emanating from Saudi Arabia as a strategic priority.” This matters because “donors in Saudi Arabia constitute the most significant source of funding to Sunni terrorist groups worldwide.” The Kingdom “remains a critical financial support base for al-Qaeda, the Taliban, LeT [Lashkar-e-Tayyiba], and other terrorist groups, including Hamas.”
State went on to observe that Emirati citizens “have provided financial support to a variety of terrorist groups.” Moreover, “UAE’s role as a growing global financial center, coupled with weak regulatory oversight, makes it vulnerable to abuse by terrorist financiers and facilitation networks.” The recent hacking of UAE ambassador to America Yousef al-Otaiba’s emails led to circulation of an online report compiling evidence of his government’s support for the Haqqani Network in Afghanistan, Islamist radicals in Libya, and similar violent groups elsewhere.
Three years ago former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton advocated bringing “pressure on the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistical support for ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region.” Last year Donald Trump complained that the Saudis were “the world’s biggest funders of terrorism.” Recently Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker observed that “The amount of support for terrorism by Saudi Arabia dwarfs what Qatar is doing.”
Your usual bullshit. On every standard, Israel ranks higher. Treatment of women, lgbt, religious minorities, press freedom, greedom of speech, independent courts, free elections, and on and on. Hell, Israel treats Palestinians better than Saudi Arabia who has been using them as essentially slave labour for decades.Israel's human rights record is worse then either Saudi or Iran, ...
You brought Israel into this discussion, don't get pissed at me when it carries on.Your usual bullshit. On every standard, Israel ranks higher.
So I see you refuse to discuss the actual human rights indicators that place Israel light years ahead of Iran and Saudi Arabia. For example you can look at the Freedom House report. Israel scores 80% free, Iran 17% free and Saudi Arabia 10% free.You brought Israel into this discussion, don't get pissed at me when it carries on.
Great, freedomhouse considers the occupied territories separately, look here.So I see you refuse to discuss the actual human rights indicators that place Israel light years ahead of Iran and Saudi Arabia. For example you can look at the Freedom House report. Israel scores 80% free, Iran 17% free and Saudi Arabia 10% free.
https://freedomhouse.org/sites/default/files/FH_FIW_2017_Report_Final.pdf
.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/...orsen-10-year-gaza-siege-170712045047448.htmlGaza conditions 'unlivable' 10 years into siege: UN
Report says threshold of 'unlivability' passed with decreasing electricity supply and 60 percent youth unemployment.
And they should be since they have their own corrupt, rights abusing governments.Great, freedomhouse considers the occupied territories separately, look here.....
They have prison wardens, not governments. They aren't called the 'Occupied Territories of Palestine' for nothing.And they should be since they have their own corrupt, rights abusing governments.
Only an obsessive zealot would try to ignore the fact that half of the population, divided by race, and ruled by Israel is living under even worse lack of freedoms then Iran and Saudi Arabia.I also notice you don't want to comment on Iran rating at 17% free and Saudi Arabia only 10% free. Only an obsessive zealot like you (and your counterpart gal) would think that 80% free is worse than 10% free.
Over the last few years there has been very little Palestinian 'terrorism', instead what we've seen is massive amounts of state 'terrorism' committed by Israel.You also still avoid your critical flaw in this thread. You are complaining about Saudi Arabia funding terrorism while whitewashing the Palestinian terror groups they fund. You are criticizing the US for not attacking Saudi Arabia in response to terror attacks but you shit all over Israel for responding to Palestinian terror. You my friend are a massive hypocrite.
Saudi Arabia - 10% freeThey have ....
