Sarkozy - DEFEATED!!!!
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Its a small world after all (FOR SOME)
1ST you say "glad you think so", then you say "they may have", having trouble making up your mind again are we, there is courses to help you with that.
The doctors, as do lawyers, as do teachers belong to a union, just because they don't use the term union in their "associations", does NOT make them anything less than one.
And don't worry about the doctors, Mc Wimpy will back down, always does.
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1ST you say "glad you think so", then you say "they may have", having trouble making up your mind again are we, there is courses to help you with that.
The doctors, as do lawyers, as do teachers belong to a union, just because they don't use the term union in their "associations", does NOT make them anything less than one.
And don't worry about the doctors, Mc Wimpy will back down, always does.
FAST
Congratulations for remembering the concept of diminishing marginal productivity of labour! Most people who quote those numbers are seem completely unaware of the concept.
Do you really believe in the "good old days" before socialized medicine in Canada people always got the treatment they needed because doctors dropped or waived their fees? Seriously?
I'm pretty sure most Lawyers just have a professional association-- Though it wouldn't shock me if crown prosecutors in different jurisdictions were unionized. I'm also pretty sure that most doctors also only have a professional association (and many doctors would be considered 'management'). There's a huge gap between a professional association (which teachers, and most skill labour groups have), and a union. It's quite possible to have one, the other, or both.
They got the treatment they could afford to pay. You can dream all you want, but I was there and my family and I lived through it.
The way doctors function, with a single association negotiating with a single employer (effectively) for a large blanket agreement is actually very much like a union.
Crown attorneys and government lawyers have associations and groups close to unions. This goes from provincial crowns but I don't think it does for most federal crowns who are hired by contract and are not employees.
But the vast majority of lawyers in Ontario, those in private practice, have nothing even remotely close to a union. Our wages, hours and working conditions are simply what the market provides. Neither LSUC, the CBA or the OBA function anything like a union.
Sounds better
The teachers FEDERATIONS collect union dues, negotiate with governments....... if it walks like a duck...........!
Skilled labour groups.... IBEW ...... its a duck.
If an association uses it collective, as a bargaining force, collects fees/dues, determine who is "considered" to join ....... its also a duck.
Although I don't put Doctors in the same category as teachers, (don't want to insult), they still can, as an "association" influence their working conditions.
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The teachers FEDERATIONS collect union dues, negotiate with governments....... if it walks like a duck...........!
Skilled labour groups.... IBEW ...... its a duck.
If an association uses it collective, as a bargaining force, collects fees/dues, determine who is "considered" to join ....... its also a duck.
Although I don't put Doctors in the same category as teachers, (don't want to insult), they still can, as an "association" influence their working conditions.
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Your opinion
SO WAS I !!!!!!!!!
So your saying, .............."sorry doc, I only got this much to pay"...... then the doc said,...... "OK, you only get this much treatment then".
REALLY !!!!!!!!!!
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SO WAS I !!!!!!!!!
So your saying, .............."sorry doc, I only got this much to pay"...... then the doc said,...... "OK, you only get this much treatment then".
REALLY !!!!!!!!!!
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Sometimes yes. Sometimes no. And sometimes folks suffered and died because they could not afford needed treatments and drugs.
There is a reason that every first world country, except one, has abandoned the idea of the welfare of the people being dependent on the whims, or financial desires of individual physicians....and the people that build MRI machines, and hospitals, and provide radiation therapy...
How many chickens do I trade for my functional MRI?
No they aren't the same thing. For teachers in Public Schools in Ontario:
-Ontario College of Teachers is the governing body
-The Elementary Teachers' Federation of Ontario and the Ontario Secondary School Teachers' Federation are the unions
It is exactly the same for most of the non-Doctor medical professions, and a large number of other jobs.
Unions have charter status, and one set of laws behind them, and professional governing associations have another. Both can try to influence politicians and the public, but Unions tend to be there to protect their members and negotiate wages and benefits, and professional associations are there mostly to maintain professional standards and qualifications, and to take disciplinary actions when a governed member wrong / bad/ outside of the scope of best practices even if it isn't against the law.
They are two different things, and lumping them together is wrong. (Edit: Though if you only have one or the other they *can* sometimes somewhat function like each other to a degree.)
Sounds familiar
Sorta like to-day, and DON'T tell me this doesn't happen, I know personally that it does happen, .......can't afford the drug to keep you alive, ..... get a loan.
EDIT --- Except if you are a civil servant of course !!!!!!
EDIT--- Just to clarify,... not that anybody gives a shit, but, I didn't mean to give the impression I had the medical issue, by personlly, I meant, a person known by me.
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Sorta like to-day, and DON'T tell me this doesn't happen, I know personally that it does happen, .......can't afford the drug to keep you alive, ..... get a loan.
EDIT --- Except if you are a civil servant of course !!!!!!
EDIT--- Just to clarify,... not that anybody gives a shit, but, I didn't mean to give the impression I had the medical issue, by personlly, I meant, a person known by me.
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