Ever think of contacting Chow? Nah, forget it. They don`t like it when reality collides with their fairy tales. Prime Minister maxipad is a peak example.
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That "hunk of junk" is a testament to years of Toronto council incompetence and failure to make decisions. It's also a lifeline for transportation in/out of the city. Finally the adults in the province can take it over rather than letting the commie council waffle and do nothing while it decays.
The province believes in roads and highways,
The city believes in bicycles.
This is one the best things that could happen.
You ask that as if facts actually matter to you more than your emotionally-fueled hatred of anything that doesn't fit your commie narrative.
Toronto doesn't even make the top 10 list of best subway systems in the world. We used to be #1 decades ago.
Paris has 14 subway lines and 380 stations. LRT is in addition to that.
Seoul
London
Stockholm
Tokyo
New York
Buenos Aires
Barcelona
Hong Kong
Madrid
...and more...most were on-existent in the 70's when Toronto's subway system was one of the best...all have surpassed us because of people like you who think 1920's technology is good enough for everyone else outside of the downtown core. Add to that city councils who couldn't agree on lunch and it explains where we are now.
DoFO is paying for LRT's that were approved and construction started long before he became premier. He wants subways...he inherited LRTs unfortunately.
ps does Chow even know what transit it? I mean she used to live in subsidized housing while making a great salary and milking the system so I assume she would be out of touch with people's needs to commute in/out of the city.
Says the guy who reuses the same cartoons over and over to make his point about "reality".
Skoob is right that the streetcars are terrible at best. The city deliberatey hamstrung the system and that's let to terrible service even in dedicated lanes.
- There's no signal priority over cars at intersections so streetcars stop twice at every intersection.
- There are too many stops especially along Queen. The worst is near the Eaton Centre, where the streetcar stops at University, York, Bay, in front of the Eaton Centre, Yonge and then Victoria. They should remove the cross walk in front of the Eaton Centre. For one, there's a pedestrian bridge right above the crosswalk and Bay and Yonge are very close together. They could remove many other stops to increase the service speed
- Streetcars still crawl through most intersections because the driver has to watch for the switch position. The driver has to exit the vehicle if the position is in the wrong position. There are automatic switches, but the TTC hasn't changed many of them because they cost more.
- We should stop closing the streetcar lines along King for TIFF or Queen for other events. There has to be a way to run those events while keeping the streetcars running.
They have to resolve these issues to increase efficiency and reliabiltiy to the system. The Queen route should improve once the subway is running. On the other hand, I don't know what will happen on the surface.
If LRT is "1920's technology" then why are these cities and more investing in them? With Bombardier vehicles no doubt. You're obviously unaware, but many Chinese cities are investing heavily in LRT https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tram_and_light_rail_transit_systems
Funny you mention Hong Kong because it built a light rail system in the mid-80's in one of the newer communities and I've ridden it many times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Rail_(MTR). The government set aside land for the tracks while the neighborhoods were going up. The vehicles do look dated, but they work quite well. The system moved almost 500K people in 2015.
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You are wrong. The Akans had gold, which they exchanged for arms from the whites. They then used the weapons to conquer their neighbours and sell them to the whites for more weapons, tobacco, textiles, etc.
I defer to you. You know better than Wikipedia, is that why they call Accra the Gold Coast?
Do we have to rehash the density vs transit argument again?
Only the downtown core in Toronto has the density to support subways, the rest are better served by LRT.
Those cities already have a great subway system and LRTs are used to augment that. Then add that the climate in Toronto is different. Surface tracks will need much more maintenance and have a shorter lifespan.
Do we have to rehash the fact that the city has and continues to grow and there's actually life outside of the downtown core?
Its growing in a form that is hard to support public transit, but the form DoFo likes.
Why do right wingers want to spend too much money on the wrong forms of transit, aren't you supposed to be a penny pincher?
Why back way more expensive subways when LRT's will do the job for the population density?
Not to mention the impact of surface rail on all other traffic. LRTS don't work unless: a) they are on elevated rail (in which case, their cost rivals subways (construction + operational), so you might as well build subways, or b) the route is a wide corridor where tracks can be isolated from other traffic (too late for Toronto to have been built that way). LRTs are NOT a solution for Toronto gridlock in the short or long run.Those cities already have a great subway system and LRTs are used to augment that. Then add that the climate in Toronto is different. Surface tracks will need much more maintenance and have a shorter lifespan.
Which proves that being a career complainer is an insufficient background for actual decision making and sound management.
P.s. Why is Chow's English still so bad? She's been in Canada since 1970, and grew up in Hong Kong during British rule. Maybe she has a learning disability? She did flunk Grade 3 and was a slow learner. Good choice, Toronto! Apparently, she can paint. Maybe she can save the City some money by painting all the new signage!
Yes, they do have great subway systems and also investing in LRTs even though its supposedly 1920s technology in your words.
You've also deliberately misrepresented the whole TTC network as the there are bus and streetcar routes almost everywhere. Just about any area of the city including the suburbs is about a 10 minute walk from a bus stop. You can easily prove that to yourself using Google Maps. Again, I agree with you that the sreetcar and bus experience leaves much to be desired.
What's exactly different about the climate in Toronto? Here we are a few days before Christmas and the grass is still green. Generally, the Toronto winters have been getting milder and less severe. When we've had heavy snowfall, it usually melts within in a few days. If the climate is such a big problem in Toronto, then why are there no calls to bury the above ground sections of the subway or the whole GO train network? Snow and ice is not some insurmountable problem unique to Toronto.
Since Rob Ford supposedly saved the most in history, then why weren't those savings used to improve the speed and reliability of the streetcar system? Why also weren't those savings used to cover 100% of the cost of the Scarborough subway? Instead we find ourselves with a tax increase to pay for it.
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That's not the point he's been trying to make and you know better. We did extend the subway to a Walmart parking lot in Vaughn and to Fairview Mall. The ridership numbers are still very low but at least the area is starting filling in with offices and condos.
If LRTs replaced the existing subway system, you and your downtown friends would start burning cars in the streets.
It's that typical liberal arrogance shining through. i.e. as long as we get good stuff everyone else can and should settle for 2nd best.
But remember, Toronto has lots of money to throw at things so it's not a money issue remember?
The only people opposed to building subways are the downtowners who already have them. They could care less about anything outside the core. They feel that everyone should just settle for 2nd best. Total arrogance.
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