Russian nuclear sub and warships in Cuba's port

[Vinson]

Seems a challenge to me, I doubt Biden will do anything. But J. Kennedy...he's not around.

The Russian submarine that just showed up off of Cuba is one of a new class of subs that has worried the US and NATO for years




One of Russia's most concerning new submarines has pulled up off the coast of Cuba ahead of planned military exercises in the area.

The Kazan, a nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine, is one of a relatively new class of subs that has worried the US and Western militaries for years due to its stealth and strike capabilities.

Three Russian ships, as well as the Kazan, arrived in Cuba on Wednesday for a five-day official visit before a large, simultaneous air and maritime exercise in the Caribbean. The deployment includes the Admiral Gorshkov frigate, which is armed with Zircon hypersonic missiles, another challenge for Western militaries.

While US officials have said they're monitoring the vessels and don't anticipate any imminent danger in the region, the Kazan's arrival is notable. US and NATO officials have long expressed anxiety over the capabilities of the Kazan and other subs like it.


Russia's Yasen-class submarines, like the Kazan, are formidable threats within Russia's navy, which has long boasted a rather capable submarine fleet. The Russians began work on the class during the Cold War, and the first sub in the class, the Severodvinsk, was commissioned late in 2013.

Around the time the Severodvinsk came about, Naval Sea Systems Command's program executive officer for submarines said at a naval symposium that going forward, the US would "be facing tough potential opponents," adding that "one only has to look at the Severodvinsk."

After the Severodvinsk was commissioned into the Russian navy, later submarines featured updated designs, designated as part of the Yasen-M class. The Kazan was the second sub of the class but the first of the new upgraded subs. It is noticeably smaller and features a quieter nuclear reactor.



The shift in capability with the emergence of the Yasen-M class submarines suggested a change in use. Per a 2021 Royal United Services Institute analysis, the Kazan's "capacity to launch a range of anti-ship and land attack missiles" suggests that "long-range strike missions appear to be superseding sea lines of communication (SLOC) interdiction as a primary task."

In 2021, US Air Force Gen. Glen VanHerck, head of US Northern Command and North American Aerospace Defense Command, said that the subs "are designed to deploy undetected within cruise-missile range of our coastlines to threaten critical infrastructure during an escalating crisis."

VanHerck, along with other US officials, have said the Yasen-class subs are "on par with ours" and repeatedly warned about the increasing presence of these vessels off of the US coast.

Russia plans to build at least nine Yasen submarines in total, but there are indications that more could be on the way in the future.

The Russian submarine that just showed up off of Cuba is one of a new class of subs that has worried the US and NATO for years

The Yasen-class Kazan is a highly capable submarine, and its strike and stealth capabilities missiles have raised concerns in the West.

www.businessinsider.com

 

[southpaw]

The US is providing billions in military aid to a country that Russia is at war with, thereby prolonging the war and increasing the costs to Russia, in terms of money and lives.

Russia sends one sub to Cuba and everyone is surprised? If you don't want others entering your backyard, stay out of theirs.

 

[Vinson]

The US is providing billions in military aid to a country that Russia is at war with, thereby prolonging the war and increasing the costs to Russia, in terms of money and lives.

Russia sends one sub to Cuba and everyone is surprised? If you don't want others entering your backyard, stay out of theirs.

I'm surprised, because I don't remember seeing this before. They're clearly making a statement.

 

[SchlongConery]

The US is providing billions in military aid to a country that Russia is at war with, thereby prolonging the war and increasing the costs to Russia, in terms of money and lives.

Russia sends one sub to Cuba and everyone is surprised? If you don't want others entering your backyard, stay out of theirs.

Everyone?

How about no one is surprised. And no one is worried about it.

Aside from these being routine, regular military exercises like Russia, the US and every other country's navy conducts...nobody is seriously scared of Russia. They are looked at as an crazed orangutan jumping around with a straight razor. There are a hundred snipers whistling Dixie, picking their teeth ready to take him out. They are just letting the crazy ape slash itself again and again and bleed itself out. As it has done before.

Sure, Cuba will suck Putin's dick for a tanker of fuel or two. I used to go to Cuba when Russia was heavily subsidizing everything in Cuba. Meh . Castro knows there are a dozen assassins in Cuba, one of which could take him out with a phone call. So he'll let Russia play but not stay.

Rissia's power comes from creating fear, uncertainty and doubt. Have been since Soviet times. It's just that suckers like you gobble it up Hook, line, sinker, boat, motor and trailer!

 

[SchlongConery]

I'm surprised, because I don't remember seeing this before. They're clearly making a statement.

Oh stop with the false outrage. Or expressing your naivety. I've personally seen Russian ships and submarines in the port of Havana back in the 90's. and even as recently as 2005. Then they stpped sending as much oil and money to prop up Fidel and when they did, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela took up the slack.

Russia continued to visit Havana ever since anyways.

As the Newfies say..."Are ya new, b'y?"

 

[Vinson]

Oh stop with the false outrage. Or expressing your naivety. I've personally seen Russian ships and submarines in the port of Havana back in the 90's. and even as recently as 2005. Then they stpped sending as much oil and money to prop up Fidel and when they did, Hugo Chavez of Venezuela took up the slack.

Russia continued to visit Havana ever since anyways.

As the Newfies say..."Are ya new, b'y?"

No outrage, I'm just surprised. I don't remember seeing this in the past years. Especially a nuclear sub like the Red October.

 

[SchlongConery]

With six warships from the US, Canada and France keeping an eye on them, the Russians are all too aware how easy pickings they are. I understand that Biden's has communicated iin no uncertain terms that the US' response to any use of tactical nukes by Russia will be to sink Russia's ENTIRE navy. And they can do it. Maybe not the subs out at sea they they aren't always actively tracking. But enough to actually keep Putin's little finger away from any buttons. And for any senior Kremlin, military, siloviki etc to not carry out the order... and to take out Putin.




Pentagon downplays Russian warships arriving in Cuba
U.S. Navy ships shadowed the Russian ships as they headed to Havana.

According to the Pentagon, Russia has sailed warships into the Western Hemisphere yearly from 2013 to 2020 with regular port visits into Havana.

The most recent docking of a warship was in June 2023 though the most recent military exercise in the region was in 2008 with Venezuela.

A U.S. official said that the port visit to Havana will last a few days and that sometime next week the Russian flotilla is expected to make a port of call in Venezuela.

The Russian ships' transit towards Cuba was monitored by six warships from the United States Navy, Canada, and France. They included the U.S. Navy destroyers USS Donald Cook, USS Delbert Black, USS Truxton, U.S. Coast Guard Cutter Stone, the Canadian frigate HMCS Ville de Quebec, and a French Lafayette class frigate.

"This is not a surprise we've seen them do this these type of port calls before and these are routine naval visits that we've seen under different administrations," Singh said.

"We're always constantly going to monitor any foreign vessels operating near U.S. territorial waters," she added. U.S. territorial waters stretch out 12 nautical miles from the coastline.

A U.S. official said the Russian ships never came close to the American coastline as they transited the Atlantic Ocean.

Russia's Defense Ministry has been very open about the port of call in Havana being made by the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov," the nuclear-powered submarine "Kazan," the sea supply tanker "Akademik Pashin" and the ocean rescue tug "Nikolai Chiker."

Cuba's defense ministry has described the visit as "keeping with the historical friendly ties between Cuba and the Russian Federation and is fully consistent with international rules." In a statement, the ministry said "none of the ships carry nuclear weapons, due to which our country does not pose any threat to the region."

Pentagon downplays Russian warships arriving in Cuba

The Pentagon is downplaying the arrival of four Russian Navy ships in Cuba although U.S. Navy ships shadowed them as they made their way to Havana.

abcnews.go.com

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[SchlongConery]

No outrage, I'm just surprised. I don't remember seeing this in the past years. Especially a nuclear sub like the Red October.

Well I just assumed that since you presented yourself with such authority on what JFK would do, and what Biden would not do, that you were well informed on the matter.

Sorry.

This has benn happeniing since Soviet tmes. Just not as much since the last time Russia/Soviet Union failed and stopped bring presents of food, petroleum and cash because they couldn't afford it. Cuz they spent all their money on trying to win an arms race against the US. Reagan, like Biden told Russia to "go ahead, make my day".

Unlike Trump who plays the Russian National Anthem on Putin's Rusty Trombone. I can't keep all these handles you guys have... so excuse me for asking are you part of Trump's chorus or backing orchestra?

 

[Vinson]

Well I just assumed that since you presented yourself with such authority on what JFK would do, and what Biden would not do, that you were well informed on the matter.

Sorry.

This has benn happeniing since Soviet tmes. Just not as much since the last time Russia/Soviet Union failed and stopped bring presents of food, petroleum and cash because they couldn't afford it. Cuz they spent all their money on trying to win an arms race against the US. Reagan, like Biden told Russia to "go ahead, make my day".

Unlike Trump who plays the Russian National Anthem on Putin's Rusty Trombone. I can't keep all these handles you guys have... so excuse me for asking are you part of Trump's chorus or backing orchestra?

The Kennedy thing I studied, when the Russians tried to send missiles to Cuba, Kennedy made a navale blockade but you probably already know this. I don't think the Russians would do anything, this just looks like a warning/challenge.

 

[SchlongConery]

No outrage, I'm just surprised. I don't remember seeing this in the past years. Especially a nuclear sub like the Red October.

I've seen Russian subs (2) in the Port of Cuba. One docked and another one underway as it left the port. Pretty cool. I've also seen a

What was REALLY impressive though was seeing an Ohio-class USN submarine underway(on the surface) leaving the base just north of Jacksonville Florida from 1,000' in a small Cessna. Fucking thing was enormous!! And it was MOVING! Must have been going 20 knots! Throwing a frothy wake like the froth at the bottom of Niagara falls. Fucking POWER to displace that much water was astonishing.

The Russians did have the largest sub at one time but they were scrapped years ago. Still formidable and able to fuck us all up real bad though...

 

[SchlongConery]

The Kennedy thing I studied, when the Russians tried to send missiles to Cuba, Kennedy made a navale blockade but you probably already know this. I don't think the Russians would do anything, this just looks like a warning/challenge.

I do know something about the whole (failed) Bay of Pigs response to the Russian installation of nukes. And I reckon Raul remembers it too. And realizes that the Americans have likely sharpened up and won't make the same mistakes a second time. And neither will Cuba.

But this is a routine calling at the Port of Cuba. The news just sensationalizes it, as they do everything. "Can you believe it's JUNE already?" incredulously exclaims every network morning TV host and Fox and Friends talking heads on every June first! And every other month of the year!

 

[Vinson]

I've seen Russian subs (2) in the Port of Cuba. One docked and another one underway as it left the port. Pretty cool. I've also seen a

What was REALLY impressive though was seeing an Ohio-class USN submarine underway(on the surface) leaving the base just north of Jacksonville Florida from 1,000' in a small Cessna. Fucking thing was enormous!! And it was MOVING! Must have been going 20 knots! Throwing a frothy wake like the froth at the bottom of Niagara falls. Fucking POWER to displace that much water was astonishing.

The Russians did have the largest sub at one time but they were scrapped years ago. Still formidable and able to fuck us all up real bad though...

Amazing ships and technology. Do they have washrooms that filter and refresh the air when someone takes a dump?

 

[SchlongConery]

Amazing ships and technology. Do they have washrooms that filter and refresh the air when someone takes a dump?

And more! They split as much oxygen out of seawater by electrolysis as they want too. Unlimited fresh water by condensing seawater through the steam generators etc. Scrub and clean carbon dioxide etc. Consider that a buclear powered sub has effectively unlimited electrical generating capacity they can stay submerged indefinitely, except for food supply.

Never been on one but I had a buddy *dead now) who was the XO (Executive Officer/second in command) of a USN nuclear attack sub. He knows I'm a gear head and would tell me random shit about the systems that just fascinated me.

There is a cold war era Canadian sub in Port Burwell on Lake Erie if you want to actually see what it's like. I went a few years ago. Not sure if the museum is still open or they ran out of money. It's a diesel-electric sub though. Much different than a nuclear sub but still interesting!

 

[Vinson]

And more! They split as much oxygen out of seawater by electrolysis as they want too. Unlimited fresh water by condensing seawater through the steam generators etc. Scrub and clean carbon dioxide etc. Consider that a buclear powered sub has effectively unlimited electrical generating capacity they can stay submerged indefinitely, except for food supply.

Never been on one but I had a buddy *dead now) who was the XO (Executive Officer/second in command) of a USN nuclear attack sub. He knows I'm a gear head and would tell me random shit about the systems that just fascinated me.

There is a cold war era Canadian sub in Port Burwell on Lake Erie if you want to actually see what it's like. I went a few years ago. Not sure if the museum is still open or they ran out of money. It's a diesel-electric sub though. Much different than a nuclear sub but still interesting!

Very interesting. I looked they still have the Sub tours.

HMCS OJIBWA- Experience something new

HMCS OJIBWA is a Cold War submarine that is now a fascinating museum in the town of Port Burwell, ON.

www.hmcsojibwa.ca

 

[southpaw]

Rissia's power comes from creating fear, uncertainty and doubt. Have been since Soviet times. It's just that suckers like you gobble it up Hook, line, sinker, boat, motor and trailer!

Why are you getting so riled up? It's just a common sense observation. These endless wars drain the West of blood and treasure.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Israel. It never ends. What's next, Taiwan?

 

[SchlongConery]

Why are you getting so riled up? It's just a common sense observation. These endless wars drain the West of blood and treasure.

Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine, Israel. It never ends. What's next, Taiwan?

The sad reality is that a great deal of America's wealth and prosperity arises out of the industrial military complex. It is not a zero sum game where treasure is a finite asset.

And we live in a global world. Sure, there are countries, provinces, states, cities, towns and so forth. But what happens across the sea affects us.

If yuo want to bring it down to a neighbourhood level, imagine a bunch of crack houses and home invaders take over a few houses a few houses or streets over. The crime that arises from that seeps through the neighbourhood and one day, it is going to be your neighbour's house that has crackheads coming and going etc.

Germany, Poland, Russia, Japan, Pearl Harbour... it ended when the US and Canada came to the aid of Britain and Europe.

 

[southpaw]

If yuo want to bring it down to a neighbourhood level, imagine a bunch of crack houses and home invaders take over a few houses a few houses or streets over. The crime that arises from that seeps through the neighbourhood and one day, it is going to be your neighbour's house that has crackheads coming and going etc.

Let's follow your neighborhood analogy. To be a fitting analogy, there is no government or police force in the neighborhood. Just like there is no global government or police force.

I have to spend all my time policing the neighborhood. Clear out every crack house, with only my household to help me. And our own funds to pay for it. Every time we clear one out, another one pops up a few blocks away. We'll be dead or broke soon.

Instead, we can arm ourselves to the teeth, build up our fences, install bullet proof windows, install motion-activated guns around the perimeter, get guard dogs, and stock the pantry. We can drive an armored HUM-V through the neighborhood and have a bulletproof garage door.

Wouldn't that be a more efficient use of our resources? We're also more likely to stay alive if we're not busting through every crack den.

 

[SchlongConery]

Let's follow your neighborhood analogy. To be a fitting analogy, there is no government or police force in the neighborhood. Just like there is no global government or police force.

I have to spend all my time policing the neighborhood. Clear out every crack house, with only my household to help me. And our own funds to pay for it. Every time we clear one out, another one pops up a few blocks away. We'll be dead or broke soon.

Instead, we can arm ourselves to the teeth, build up our fences, install bullet proof windows, install motion-activated guns around the perimeter, get guard dogs, and stock the pantry. We can drive an armored HUM-V through the neighborhood and have a bulletproof garage door.

Wouldn't that be a more efficient use of our resources? We're also more likely to stay alive if we're not busting through every crack den.

Or if you are a rich guy and can be respected as a community leader you can gather a group to help you. It's called community.

No sense in taking this further with you. You think zero sum and only about yourself, and for the immediate future. I get that. I fucking wish I could be more selfish a lot of the time. But I'm happy feeling that I'm part of the global community.

Good thing our neighbour to the south doesn't think like you or we might be speaking Russian ourselves as a second language as they come across the Pole with the Russki Mir! Cuz "we", Canada' simply cannot defend ourselves against many countries that would love our resources. Russia being one of them.

 

[southpaw]

Cuz "we", Canada' simply cannot defend ourselves against many countries that would love our resources. Russia being one of them.

We most certainly could, if we had nukes. I've said it before here. North Korea is a shitty little country that keeps provoking everyone with their missile tests, which Canada does not do.

And yet, no one has invaded them. And they never will. Because they know whatever Kim is in charge, he will use his nukes if attacked. That is true deterrence.

 

[NotADcotor]

Let's follow your neighborhood analogy. To be a fitting analogy, there is no government or police force in the neighborhood. Just like there is no global government or police force.

I have to spend all my time policing the neighborhood. Clear out every crack house, with only my household to help me. And our own funds to pay for it. Every time we clear one out, another one pops up a few blocks away. We'll be dead or broke soon.

Instead, we can arm ourselves to the teeth, build up our fences, install bullet proof windows, install motion-activated guns around the perimeter, get guard dogs, and stock the pantry. We can drive an armored HUM-V through the neighborhood and have a bulletproof garage door.

Wouldn't that be a more efficient use of our resources? We're also more likely to stay alive if we're not busting through every crack den.

Police the neighborhood and you don't have to arm yourself to the teeth and live in a bunker. If you want an analogy that actually applies to the situation, that's it

Yes it's never ending because people love to fuck around and find out and there are enough asshats out there that don't learn. You can just give up and let them run free like one of those blue cities and their homeless people that you bitch about, or you can actually, gasp do something about it. You can enforce rules on public intoxication and loitering, you can set up programs to help those who want to turn around their lives, some sort of Japanese style capsule hotels to keep them out of the way if they don't.
But no instead you would "Instead, we can arm ourselves to the teeth, build up our fences, install bullet proof windows, install motion-activated guns around the perimeter, get guard dogs, and stock the pantry. We can drive an armored HUM-V through the neighborhood and have a bulletproof garage door."

When there is no global police force, you need some good old fashion vigilante. Have you not seen Death Wish 3. In that scenario you would just hide behind your door in fear until they get you, or at best being a prisoner in your own apartment.