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Russian nuclear sub and warships in Cuba's port

NotADcotor

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And yet, no one has invaded them. And they never will. Because they know whatever Kim is in charge, he will use his nukes if attacked. That is true deterrence.
So why were they not invaded BEFORE they had nukes which was a rather recent development. Decades, nobody attacked.

Also I kinda wonder if they stuff would launch and if they did I'd hazard a guess they would be interceptable.

China and India were fucking around a bit on the border recently. Russia and China were starting shit along their borders during the soviet period, it never escalated... much like the Russian and Japanese battles never did, but these things can easily get out of hand.

But hey, let the US turtle up and lets get everyone nukes. Yeah, that's a swell idea, surely there will always be a Stanislav Petrov around to save the say when mistakes are made.

Your understanding of international affairs and strategy is limited at best.
 

NotADcotor

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Also if NATO is really worried they are dumber than a thing that is really dumb. [I've been up all night give me a break]

All through the cold war, the Russians would announce some new wonder weapon or we would find out about it anyways, the defense establishment would clutch their pearls and whine in unison about the new danger and plead for someone to please think of the children.
Eventually we would get a sample or see it in action and realize it wasn't all that and a bag of chips. On the plus side it usually pushed to US to produce some really good gear to counter the non existant threat.

Not sure if it's bad reporting, some government official who doesn't know shit or an attempt to gain funding.
 
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Seems a challenge to me, I doubt Biden will do anything. But J. Kennedy...he's not around.

The Russian submarine that just showed up off of Cuba is one of a new class of subs that has worried the US and NATO for years




One of Russia's most concerning new submarines has pulled up off the coast of Cuba ahead of planned military exercises in the area.

The Kazan, a nuclear-powered cruise missile submarine, is one of a relatively new class of subs that has worried the US and Western militaries for years due to its stealth and strike capabilities.

Three Russian ships, as well as the Kazan, arrived in Cuba on Wednesday for a five-day official visit before a large, simultaneous air and maritime exercise in the Caribbean. The deployment includes the Admiral Gorshkov frigate, which is armed with Zircon hypersonic missiles, another challenge for Western militaries.

While US officials have said they're monitoring the vessels and don't anticipate any imminent danger in the region, the Kazan's arrival is notable. US and NATO officials have long expressed anxiety over the capabilities of the Kazan and other subs like it.


Russia's Yasen-class submarines, like the Kazan, are formidable threats within Russia's navy, which has long boasted a rather capable submarine fleet. The Russians began work on the class during the Cold War, and the first sub in the class, the Severodvinsk, was commissioned late in 2013.

Around the time the Severodvinsk came about, Naval Sea Systems Command's program executive officer for submarines said at a naval symposium that going forward, the US would "be facing tough potential opponents," adding that "one only has to look at the Severodvinsk."

After the Severodvinsk was commissioned into the Russian navy, later submarines featured updated designs, designated as part of the Yasen-M class. The Kazan was the second sub of the class but the first of the new upgraded subs. It is noticeably smaller and features a quieter nuclear reactor.



The shift in capability with the emergence of the Yasen-M class submarines suggested a change in use. Per a 2021 Royal United Services Institute analysis, the Kazan's "capacity to launch a range of anti-ship and land attack missiles" suggests that "long-range strike missions appear to be superseding sea lines of communication (SLOC) interdiction as a primary task."

In 2021, US Air Force Gen. Glen VanHerck, head of US Northern Command and North American Aerospace Defense Command, said that the subs "are designed to deploy undetected within cruise-missile range of our coastlines to threaten critical infrastructure during an escalating crisis."

VanHerck, along with other US officials, have said the Yasen-class subs are "on par with ours" and repeatedly warned about the increasing presence of these vessels off of the US coast.

Russia plans to build at least nine Yasen submarines in total, but there are indications that more could be on the way in the future.

This guy explains it well.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/c7M9WKxwhWs?feature=share
 
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oil&gas

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For the nation's peace of mind Canada needs to replace its
old and worn out military submarines. Going nuclear should
be an option.

 

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When there is no global police force, you need some good old fashion vigilante.
And who will serve in that global police force? Or as that global vigilante? You? Are you posting from the front lines in Ukraine, or Gaza?
 

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Your understanding of international affairs and strategy is limited at best.
Yes of course! Teach me, oh wise one.

I do understand one thing; Guys like you won't do the fighting. You'll send others to do it.

Chickenhawks.
 

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Yes, it is the Russians trying to provoke the USA. The reason Cuba is allowing this in their port is that they want the USA to open up to Cuba. Obama tried to ease tensions between the two countries, but Trump shut everything down. On the part of the Russians it is merely a show of their military strength, which is quit weak at this point. They could not even send this sub anywhere near the Ukraine as an American/NATO missile might take it out. The Russian military is in tatters, the Russian economy is in bad shape. Putin has spent away the Russian economy and military budget for decades. The sub showing up in Cuba is merely a show of force. Cuba will use this opportunity to mend diplomatic relations with the USA and make things better to their own people.
 

NotADcotor

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And who will serve in that global police force? Or as that global vigilante? You? Are you posting from the front lines in Ukraine, or Gaza?
Yes of course! Teach me, oh wise one.

I do understand one thing; Guys like you won't do the fighting. You'll send others to do it.

Chickenhawks.
Thank you for proving my point. Even if I could be bothered which I am not, you are just not teachable. What you said is beyond special needs and it would be near impossible to get it through your thick skull as to why it's special needs.
 
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SchlongConery

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Yes, it is the Russians trying to provoke the USA. The reason Cuba is allowing this in their port is that they want the USA to open up to Cuba. Obama tried to ease tensions between the two countries, but Trump shut everything down. On the part of the Russians it is merely a show of their military strength, which is quit weak at this point. They could not even send this sub anywhere near the Ukraine as an American/NATO missile might take it out. The Russian military is in tatters, the Russian economy is in bad shape. Putin has spent away the Russian economy and military budget for decades. The sub showing up in Cuba is merely a show of force. Cuba will use this opportunity to mend diplomatic relations with the USA and make things better to their own people.
Yup... show of Russia's military strength! One small frigate🤡, a noisy old sub🤡, a refuelling boat (oiler) ..... and a tugboat🤡 for when one of them breaks down! :LOL:🤡

I don't think the US going to change Cuban policy over Russia! If anything... Russia will just further weaken itself by going back to assist Cuba.
 

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I've seen Russian subs (2) in the Port of Cuba. One docked and another one underway as it left the port. Pretty cool. I've also seen a

What was REALLY impressive though was seeing an Ohio-class USN submarine underway(on the surface) leaving the base just north of Jacksonville Florida from 1,000' in a small Cessna. Fucking thing was enormous!! And it was MOVING! Must have been going 20 knots! Throwing a frothy wake like the froth at the bottom of Niagara falls. Fucking POWER to displace that much water was astonishing.




The Russians did have the largest sub at one time but they were scrapped years ago. Still formidable and able to fuck us all up real bad though...
Your a pilot ?
 

NotADcotor

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Yup... show of Russia's military strength! One small frigate🤡, a noisy old sub🤡, a refuelling boat (oiler) ..... and a tugboat🤡 for when one of them breaks down! :LOL:🤡

I don't think the US going to change Cuban policy over Russia! If anything... Russia will just further weaken itself by going back to assist Cuba.
Considering they are apparently resorting to needing help from North Korea, I doubt they can ensmallen themselves anymore.
 

SchlongConery

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Considering they are apparently resorting to needing help from North Korea, I doubt they can ensmallen themselves anymore.
Never underestimate Russia's ability to destroy themselves! The faster the better!
 

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Yes of course! Teach me, oh wise one.

I do understand one thing; Guys like you won't do the fighting. You'll send others to do it.

Chickenhawks.
Cluck, cluck, clucking. Obliviously clucking like a plucked hen feverishly pecking, pecking, pecking away at his keyboard.
 
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oil&gas

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They are showing up to obtain DJT and hand him over to Putin for debt owing.
If Putin truly wants to get paid big money he should wait till
Trump win re-election first. Perhaps in Putin's mind Russian
submarines showing up in Cuba would serve as a reminder
to U.S. allies it is time to shore up defense by buying navy
submarines from the U.S. And that could help him with extorting
more money from Trump.

Not that I expect Trump to win or imminent submarine
attack from Russia but I do think money spent on Ukraine
is better funneled into our own defense. Buying nuclear
subs and more F-35 jets from the U.S. is better insurance
against future Russian aggression.
 

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They have a tug boat too, must be a large tug boat to cross the Barens sea, Norwegian sea and the Atlantic.
 

oil&gas

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Russia is backward in many things but not so backward
as to have to use tug boats for submarine patrolling. Russian
nuclear subs should have no trouble sailing around the
globe underwater.
 

Vinson

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Russia is backward in many things but not so backward
as to have to use tug boats for submarine patrolling. Russian
nuclear subs should have no trouble sailing around the
globe underwater.
I thought tug boats are for boat maneuvering, they have other ships for Sub patrolling
 
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