Russia - Ukraine Peace Talks

[Frankfooter]

Not really sure where the 2022 maps come from, I think they considered Russia to have been holding land where they had one tank, a jeep and half a dozen soldiers. But I have seen those maps and you aren't wrong on the statement. That said, in reality, you need to look at the maps when Russia backed up and started to solidify the land that they were holding and go from there, that is much more realistic. And btw, another 35 sq km yesterday and 400 sq km this month taken by Russia. Yes, that is truly a stalemate.

Yup, should be over any day now at that rate.

Russia Has Started Losing the War in Ukraine

The military tide may have turned against Putin.

foreignpolicy.com

Putin's generals are 'lying to him' as in reality 'Russia is losing to Ukraine'

Vladimir Putin has no idea Russia is losing in Ukraine because his generals are lying to him, western intelligence sources believe.

www.the-express.com

 

[the general]

Wow, just wow. You’ve packed more misinformation into one post than a late-night infomercial. Let’s unpack.

First off, comparing CNN employment standards to this rant is an insult to journalism everywhere. But let’s move past that , grammar debates aside, if you’re suggesting sentence fragments and comma splices are "up for debate," I guess rules are optional now. Next time I drive, I’ll decide whether red lights are just a suggestion.

Now, to the Biden vs. Trump cognitive Olympics, Biden may speak less, sure. That’s called “discipline” in politics. Trump’s verbal diarrhea doesn’t mean mental sharpness; if it did, your uncle’s Facebook rants would qualify him for the Nobel Prize. Speaking more isn’t the same as making sense. And if we’re judging cognition by how many times someone repeats “many people are saying,” then yes, Trump’s a genius.

Ah yes, Jake Tapper’s book, the new litmus test for political facts. Quoting Tapper when convenient but then ignoring every other mainstream source is peak selective reasoning. Bonus points for style.

As for Carney and the budget, it’s almost like... governing is complex and timing is strategic. Shocking, I know. But please, go off about how indecisiveness over housing policy and pipelines is somehow new. Because every government ever has made decisions in perfect harmony, right?

Now, Ukraine, yes, clearly the best strategy for peace is letting a dictator carve up countries unchecked. Very stable genius logic there. And Trump “trying to end things”? By doing what, praising Putin’s “savvy” while ghosting NATO and treating diplomacy like a casino deal? Brilliant.

In summary, thanks for the stream-of-consciousness fan fiction. It was entertaining, like watching someone angrily shake a Magic 8-Ball and call it foreign policy analysis.

Cheers and salutations, and thanks for the performance. Truly, a masterclass in confident twat MAGA confusion.

Governing is complex? You can't decide whether you should produce a budget or not? Nothing complex about that at all, it never should have been up for debate, but Carney failed on his position and retrenched.

Ukraine didn't need to be carved up, but the Ukranians ignored the Minsk accords and continued to conduct war against the Russia speaking groups in the Donbas region and then threatened to no longer become neutral. Actions have consequences, Ukraine should have respected those agreements and also should have accepted the 2022 conditions. Way better outcome that what is going to happen.

As to Biden being disciplined by infrequently making public statements, are you friggin kidding? They hid him because when they let him out of his bubble, he did and said stupid things. He was okay mostly with a script, but even then, when it call for "repeat again", the fool would actually say "repeat again".

Sorry, but the amount of misinformation spewing in a few paragraphs by yourself is laughable. I get it, it is your "truth". Lol.

Thanks again, the more you spew garbage, the more I get enjoyment out of it. Keep it coming. btw - grammar lessons from someone that doesn't know the different between "one" and "won" really has no value.

 

[Leimonis]

The Mueller Report, yes right, that's it. Didn't see the picture of Trump sucking Putin's dick. Which page?

couldn't find photos of fellatios but here is the next best thing:

 

[squeezer]

Governing is complex? You can't decide whether you should produce a budget or not? Nothing complex about that at all, it never should have been up for debate, but Carney failed on his position and retrenched.

Ukraine didn't need to be carved up, but the Ukranians ignored the Minsk accords and continued to conduct war against the Russia speaking groups in the Donbas region and then threatened to no longer become neutral. Actions have consequences, Ukraine should have respected those agreements and also should have accepted the 2022 conditions. Way better outcome that what is going to happen.

As to Biden being disciplined by infrequently making public statements, are you friggin kidding? They hid him because when they let him out of his bubble, he did and said stupid things. He was okay mostly with a script, but even then, when it call for "repeat again", the fool would actually say "repeat again".

Sorry, but the amount of misinformation spewing in a few paragraphs by yourself is laughable. I get it, it is your "truth". Lol.

Thanks again, the more you spew garbage, the more I get enjoyment out of it. Keep it coming. btw - grammar lessons from someone that doesn't know the different between "one" and "won" really has no value.

Ah, we’re back, and once again, you’ve managed to pack more confidently wrong takes into a single post than a flat-earth convention.

Let’s start with your claim that budgeting isn’t complex. Right, because managing billions in taxpayer funds, forecasting economic uncertainty, aligning with policy goals, opposition pressure, and public opinion is obviously as easy as picking toppings at Subway. If only governments could govern with the same simplicity as your analysis.

Now, the Minsk accords and the Donbas fairy tale. Russia violated the very agreements you’re trying to blame Ukraine for undermining, repeatedly. The Kremlin used the Minsk agreements as a stalling tactic while arming separatists and building toward a full-scale invasion. But hey, I’m sure Putin’s state media has a cozy version that sounds more like your recap.

As for Ukraine “threatening neutrality,” Ukraine is a sovereign nation. If Russia gets to decide what its neighbors can or can’t do, then I guess Mexico better start running decisions past the White House, too? Or does sovereignty only apply when it fits your narrative?

Biden’s discipline vs. being hidden, sure. When Trump fumbled speeches, made up words (“covfefe”), or recommended injecting disinfectant, it was “refreshing honesty.” But Biden reading a teleprompter means he’s unfit. Got it. Great logic. Truly presidential standards we’re setting here.


Oh, and the “repeat again” moment? Yes, he flubbed a line. Much like Trump saying “revolutionary troops took over the airports in 1775” because, as we all know, Logan Airport played a crucial role in the American Revolution.

You should really call it a night, go have some warm milk, go to bed and stop going deep into your propaganda right-wing Russian-sponsored echo chambers.

 

[the general]

couldn't find photos of fellatios but here is the next best thing:
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Yes, looks very official. Have you had your TDS checked to see if it is curable.

 

[the general]

Ah, we’re back, and once again, you’ve managed to pack more confidently wrong takes into a single post than a flat-earth convention.

Let’s start with your claim that budgeting isn’t complex. Right, because managing billions in taxpayer funds, forecasting economic uncertainty, aligning with policy goals, opposition pressure, and public opinion is obviously as easy as picking toppings at Subway. If only governments could govern with the same simplicity as your analysis.

Now, the Minsk accords and the Donbas fairy tale. Russia violated the very agreements you’re trying to blame Ukraine for undermining, repeatedly. The Kremlin used the Minsk agreements as a stalling tactic while arming separatists and building toward a full-scale invasion. But hey, I’m sure Putin’s state media has a cozy version that sounds more like your recap.

As for Ukraine “threatening neutrality,” Ukraine is a sovereign nation. If Russia gets to decide what its neighbors can or can’t do, then I guess Mexico better start running decisions past the White House, too? Or does sovereignty only apply when it fits your narrative?

Biden’s discipline vs. being hidden, sure. When Trump fumbled speeches, made up words (“covfefe”), or recommended injecting disinfectant, it was “refreshing honesty.” But Biden reading a teleprompter means he’s unfit. Got it. Great logic. Truly presidential standards we’re setting here.


Oh, and the “repeat again” moment? Yes, he flubbed a line. Much like Trump saying “revolutionary troops took over the airports in 1775” because, as we all know, Logan Airport played a crucial role in the American Revolution.

You should really call it a night, go have some warm milk, go to bed and stop going deep into your propaganda right-wing Russian-sponsored echo chambers.

Lol, a budget is complex you couldn't expect one to be put out in a reasonable timeframe, but suddenly Carney has figured within the span of a few days that he can put one together. Guess things got clearer for him quickly. The guy's an economist, he knows how to put assumptions into models. He just doesn't want people to see the ugly numbers or be overly accountable, great start.

You can spew your Liberal talking points all you want, that doesn't make them true, the Ukranians were in breach of the accords. One of the most respected academics, Jeffrey Sachs is a wealth of information on the background of the relationship between Ukraine and Russia, go have a listen to him, doesn't seem he has any political bias, such as you. But you will probably come away thinking he is a flat earther, since everyone is that doesn't agree with your "truth".

And you lose all credibility when you try to defend Biden, even his most staunch supporters are now finally admitting what everyone else saw with their own eyes. I guess you haven't been looking too closely, or you just don't trust what you see. Kind of put you into the flat earther category.

I have plenty of time, so no need to call it a night, I might just be putting up a glass in honour of your feeble attempts here. You seem to be the warm milk type, not me. Don't make it too hot, you don't want to be burned, you are already being torched here.

 

[squeezer]

Lol, a budget is complex you couldn't expect one to be put out in a reasonable timeframe, but suddenly Carney has figured within the span of a few days that he can put one together. Guess things got clearer for him quickly. The guy's an economist, he knows how to put assumptions into models. He just doesn't want people to see the ugly numbers or be overly accountable, great start.

You can spew your Liberal talking points all you want, that doesn't make them true, the Ukranians were in breach of the accords. One of the most respected academics, Jeffrey Sachs is a wealth of information on the background of the relationship between Ukraine and Russia, go have a listen to him, doesn't seem he has any political bias, such as you. But you will probably come away thinking he is a flat earther, since everyone is that doesn't agree with your "truth".

And you lose all credibility when you try to defend Biden, even his most staunch supporters are now finally admitting what everyone else saw with their own eyes. I guess you haven't been looking too closely, or you just don't trust what you see. Kind of put you into the flat earther category.

I have plenty of time, so no need to call it a night, I might just be putting up a glass in honour of your feeble attempts here. You seem to be the warm milk type, not me. Don't make it too hot, you don't want to be burned, you are already being torched here.

Ah, I see we're now speed-running the stages of political debate: Denial, Deflection, and Delusion, and you're hitting all three like a pro.

Let’s start with the budget drama, which you seem to think is a one-man spreadsheet away from completion. Yes, Carney is an economist, which means he actually understands that budgeting for a province (with shifting revenues, federal variables, economic headwinds, and political consequences) isn’t quite as simple as you imagine him opening Excel and typing “=SUM(TAXES)-EXPENSES”. But sure, let’s pretend it’s a school project he just procrastinated.

As for Ukraine, wow, citing Jeffrey Sachs. Bold move. You do realize Sachs has made a hard pivot into the “NATO provoked this war” narrative, right? That’s not balance, that’s bending over backwards to rationalize Russian aggression. And saying he’s not politically biased while dismissing literally every Western intelligence agency’s assessments is like saying, “I only trust doctors on Facebook because Big Pharma can't be trusted.” Oh, wait, that is what the righties say on here. LMAO

And I’m sorry, but defending Russia’s invasion because of alleged breaches of the Minsk accords is like blaming the house for being robbed because the porch light was off. The agreements were always fragile, mostly because Russia kept pretending its forces in Donbas were "local volunteers" with tanks and anti-aircraft missiles that mysteriously came from nowhere.

Now, on to Biden. You're right — he stumbles sometimes. He’s 81. No one is arguing he’s sharp like a 35-year-old. But comparing his gaffes to Trump’s word salad is like comparing a typo to a keyboard being tossed out the window. Trump thought windmills cause cancer, confused Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi, and said, “They’re building a railroad in the ocean.” I mean... come on. If Biden had said that, Fox News would have gone to DEFCON 1.

And thank you for the “warm milk” jab, which you stole from me because you lack originality, man. The torching you mentioned? Pretty sure the only thing on fire here is your grasp on geopolitics and syntax.

But by all means, pour yourself that glass and warm it up. Just maybe hold off on making policy critiques until you’re done toasting the Kremlin’s greatest hits.

Cheers and no worries, I’ll keep bringing facts. You just keep bringing the entertainment.

 

[the general]

Ah, I see we're now speed-running the stages of political debate: Denial, Deflection, and Delusion, and you're hitting all three like a pro.

Let’s start with the budget drama, which you seem to think is a one-man spreadsheet away from completion. Yes, Carney is an economist, which means he actually understands that budgeting for a province (with shifting revenues, federal variables, economic headwinds, and political consequences) isn’t quite as simple as you imagine him opening Excel and typing “=SUM(TAXES)-EXPENSES”. But sure, let’s pretend it’s a school project he just procrastinated.

As for Ukraine, wow, citing Jeffrey Sachs. Bold move. You do realize Sachs has made a hard pivot into the “NATO provoked this war” narrative, right? That’s not balance, that’s bending over backwards to rationalize Russian aggression. And saying he’s not politically biased while dismissing literally every Western intelligence agency’s assessments is like saying, “I only trust doctors on Facebook because Big Pharma can't be trusted.” Oh, wait, that is what the righties say on here. LMAO

And I’m sorry, but defending Russia’s invasion because of alleged breaches of the Minsk accords is like blaming the house for being robbed because the porch light was off. The agreements were always fragile, mostly because Russia kept pretending its forces in Donbas were "local volunteers" with tanks and anti-aircraft missiles that mysteriously came from nowhere.

Now, on to Biden. You're right — he stumbles sometimes. He’s 81. No one is arguing he’s sharp like a 35-year-old. But comparing his gaffes to Trump’s word salad is like comparing a typo to a keyboard being tossed out the window. Trump thought windmills cause cancer, confused Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi, and said, “They’re building a railroad in the ocean.” I mean... come on. If Biden had said that, Fox News would have gone to DEFCON 1.

And thank you for the “warm milk” jab, which you stole from me because you lack originality, man. The torching you mentioned? Pretty sure the only thing on fire here is your grasp on geopolitics and syntax.

But by all means, pour yourself that glass and warm it up. Just maybe hold off on making policy critiques until you’re done toasting the Kremlin’s greatest hits.

Cheers and no worries, I’ll keep bringing facts. You just keep bringing the entertainment.

Quit defending Carney's budget gaffe, the Liberals were in power, so they had control of the budgeting process and the only real change is Carney and a few new political nuggets, so they weren't far away from having a comprehensive budget. Trying to use the geopolitical atmosphere to avoid accountability is ridiculous. All countries need budgets and all are under many of the same stresses.

Again you can't get away from trying to defend Biden, the guy's eyes often were glossed over. His shaking hands with non-existent people, wtf. Drifting off to see the paratroopers, just wow. Thank god there were people around to drag him back. And you're still trying to defend it. I have no idea why you are, it just puts all your credibility into the trash bin. You say you rely on facts, this is just pure fiction on your part. Just admit, Biden has an advanced case of dementia, and personally I think they propped him up on drugs when they knew he had to give a strong performance such as the state of the union address.

And while I feel badly for Ukraine, they got sucked in by the west, thinking that they could hold off the Russians with the west's support. War is stupid, and Ukraine could have end things in early 2022, if not for Boris Johnson and I guess Biden's puppet master.

Hopefully you don't melt like a candle, it must be getting awfully warm on your end.

 

[squeezer]

Quit defending Carney's budget gaffe, the Liberals were in power, so they had control of the budgeting process and the only real change is Carney and a few new political nuggets, so they weren't far away from having a comprehensive budget. Trying to use the geopolitical atmosphere to avoid accountability is ridiculous. All countries need budgets and all are under many of the same stresses.

Again you can't get away from trying to defend Biden, the guy's eyes often were glossed over. His shaking hands with non-existent people, wtf. Drifting off to see the paratroopers, just wow. Thank god there were people around to drag him back. And you're still trying to defend it. I have no idea why you are, it just puts all your credibility into the trash bin. You say you rely on facts, this is just pure fiction on your part. Just admit, Biden has an advanced case of dementia, and personally I think they propped him up on drugs when they knew he had to give a strong performance such as the state of the union address.

And while I feel badly for Ukraine, they got sucked in by the west, thinking that they could hold off the Russians with the west's support. War is stupid, and Ukraine could have end things in early 2022, if not for Boris Johnson and I guess Biden's puppet master.

Hopefully you don't melt like a candle, it must be getting awfully warm on your end.

Here we go again and still swinging at reality like it owes you money. Let’s dive into this latest edition of “Facts Optional: The General’s Edition.”

On the Carney budget “gaffe,” I love how you pretend a government transition is as smooth as changing the channel. Carney walked into a mess left brought on by your cult leader and hero using his favorite word. But sure, let’s pretend Mark just hit “snooze” for fun. And while you insist “all countries are under the same stresses,” you somehow forgot that Carney is here to fix the problem with a well-thought-out plan because he will be known as Super Carney within a few years.


Now let's go to your Biden bashing... again. Yes, he’s old. We all know. But let’s talk substance over shaky video clips. Under Biden: record job creation, major infrastructure investment, the CHIPS Act to rebuild U.S. manufacturing, and NATO more unified than it’s been in decades. But yeah, let’s focus on who he may or may not have tried to shake hands with. Meanwhile, Trump confused E. Jean Carroll with his wife in a deposition — but I’m sure you think that was just “tough love cross-examination.”

And glossy eyes? Drugged-up Biden theories? Good grief, is this Fox News or fan fiction?

Now, about Ukraine: They were invaded. Full stop. No, they weren’t “sucked in by the West” they were attacked by a country that violated international law and invaded a sovereign nation. Boris Johnson and Biden didn’t start the war; Putin did. You don’t get to invade your neighbor and then blame them for resisting. That’s like punching someone and getting mad when they don’t just lie down.

And saying “Ukraine could’ve ended it in early 2022” is like saying Poland should’ve negotiated with Hitler in 1939 — yeah, great strategy if you enjoy being ruled by a dictator.

But hey, while we’re melting metaphors, you mentioned candles ironic, given how much light you’re shedding on this debate. (Spoiler: it’s not much.) The only thing burning here is your grasp of foreign policy under the heat of facts.

So by all means, keep responding even though you're starting to bore me, while at the same time, this is the most entertaining rewrite of history I’ve read since someone tried to explain how January 6 was just a spirited walking tour.

 

[Frankfooter]

Lol, a budget is complex you couldn't expect one to be put out in a reasonable timeframe, but suddenly Carney has figured within the span of a few days that he can put one together. Guess things got clearer for him quickly. The guy's an economist, he knows how to put assumptions into models. He just doesn't want people to see the ugly numbers or be overly accountable, great start.

You can spew your Liberal talking points all you want, that doesn't make them true, the Ukranians were in breach of the accords. One of the most respected academics, Jeffrey Sachs is a wealth of information on the background of the relationship between Ukraine and Russia, go have a listen to him, doesn't seem he has any political bias, such as you. But you will probably come away thinking he is a flat earther, since everyone is that doesn't agree with your "truth".

And you lose all credibility when you try to defend Biden, even his most staunch supporters are now finally admitting what everyone else saw with their own eyes. I guess you haven't been looking too closely, or you just don't trust what you see. Kind of put you into the flat earther category.

I have plenty of time, so no need to call it a night, I might just be putting up a glass in honour of your feeble attempts here. You seem to be the warm milk type, not me. Don't make it too hot, you don't want to be burned, you are already being torched here.

You lose all credibility unless you attack DoFo even more on budgets and deficits.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1924919052801024342

 

[oil&gas]

.............
Now, about Ukraine: They were invaded. Full stop. No, they weren’t “sucked in by the West” they were attacked by a country that violated international law and invaded a sovereign nation. Boris Johnson and Biden didn’t start the war; Putin did. You don’t get to invade your neighbor and then blame them for resisting. That’s like punching someone and getting mad when they don’t just lie down.
.................

A sovereign nation was invaded by another in violation of international laws.
The invaded nation has various options in its response to the invasion:

i) Defending the country from the invaders until their withdrawal.

ii) Defending the country and then fight back into the invaders' territories.

iii) Defending the country up to certain point before capitulation and negotiation.

iv) Defending the country up to certain point before unconditional surrender.

v) Defending the country and fighting the invaders to the last man or until
it (the invaded country ) can longer fight.

Which of these would you agree with?

 

[the general]

Here we go again and still swinging at reality like it owes you money. Let’s dive into this latest edition of “Facts Optional: The General’s Edition.”

On the Carney budget “gaffe,” I love how you pretend a government transition is as smooth as changing the channel. Carney walked into a mess left brought on by your cult leader and hero using his favorite word. But sure, let’s pretend Mark just hit “snooze” for fun. And while you insist “all countries are under the same stresses,” you somehow forgot that Carney is here to fix the problem with a well-thought-out plan because he will be known as Super Carney within a few years.


Now let's go to your Biden bashing... again. Yes, he’s old. We all know. But let’s talk substance over shaky video clips. Under Biden: record job creation, major infrastructure investment, the CHIPS Act to rebuild U.S. manufacturing, and NATO more unified than it’s been in decades. But yeah, let’s focus on who he may or may not have tried to shake hands with. Meanwhile, Trump confused E. Jean Carroll with his wife in a deposition — but I’m sure you think that was just “tough love cross-examination.”

And glossy eyes? Drugged-up Biden theories? Good grief, is this Fox News or fan fiction?

Now, about Ukraine: They were invaded. Full stop. No, they weren’t “sucked in by the West” they were attacked by a country that violated international law and invaded a sovereign nation. Boris Johnson and Biden didn’t start the war; Putin did. You don’t get to invade your neighbor and then blame them for resisting. That’s like punching someone and getting mad when they don’t just lie down.

And saying “Ukraine could’ve ended it in early 2022” is like saying Poland should’ve negotiated with Hitler in 1939 — yeah, great strategy if you enjoy being ruled by a dictator.

But hey, while we’re melting metaphors, you mentioned candles ironic, given how much light you’re shedding on this debate. (Spoiler: it’s not much.) The only thing burning here is your grasp of foreign policy under the heat of facts.

So by all means, keep responding even though you're starting to bore me, while at the same time, this is the most entertaining rewrite of history I’ve read since someone tried to explain how January 6 was just a spirited walking tour.

Super Carney, wow I see you are into facts not fiction. I actually know Carney, smart guy, but very egotistical and doesn't like to be challenged, which is showing in some of his interviews. I don't see him as an unifier. You're blaming the opposition for the mess, yes by all means they caused all the problems, not the fiscal irresponsibility or the policies of the Liberal party.

As to Ukraine, Jeffrey Sachs still points to the US (and others) for the continual push of NATO eastward toward Russia for provoking the situation. Does this justify Russia's decision to invade, no, but like many things, poke the bear and sometimes ugly things happen.

As to Biden, you're sounding like a MSNBC opinion journalist, trying to defend the indefensible, maybe you can take over Joe's spot, he seems to be running out of steam and is moving off "the best Biden ever" and they may need a replacement to carry the Dem' water. It isn't Biden's age, it was/is his mental acuity. Bernie Saunders is older and still plenty sharp. BTW, I much prefer listening to independents, and ones that try to have a balanced forum, such as the hill and breaking points. You can stick with your Liberal airwaves, they tend to dominate anyways and brainwash weak people.

I will wait for your reply, I do appreciate a good chuckle from time to time.

 

[Frankfooter]

Super Carney, wow I see you are into facts not fiction. I actually know Carney, smart guy, but very egotistical and doesn't like to be challenged, which is showing in some of his interviews. I don't see him as an unifier. You're blaming the opposition for the mess, yes by all means they caused all the problems, not the fiscal irresponsibility or the policies of the Liberal party.

As to Ukraine, Jeffrey Sachs still points to the US (and others) for the continual push of NATO eastward toward Russia for provoking the situation. Does this justify Russia's decision to invade, no, but like many things, poke the bear and sometimes ugly things happen.

As to Biden, you're sounding like a MSNBC opinion journalist, trying to defend the indefensible, maybe you can take over Joe's spot, he seems to be running out of steam and is moving off "the best Biden ever" and they may need a replacement to carry the Dem' water. It isn't Biden's age, it was/is his mental acuity. Bernie Saunders is older and still plenty sharp. BTW, I much prefer listening to independents, and ones that try to have a balanced forum, such as the hill and breaking points. You can stick with your Liberal airwaves, they tend to dominate anyways and brainwash weak people.

I will wait for your reply, I do appreciate a good chuckle from time to time.

Russia was up to no good long before 2014, that wasn't on Biden or NATO.
That was just Putin being Putin.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1925195086289088836

 

[the general]

Russia was up to no good long before 2014, that wasn't on Biden or NATO.
That was just Putin being Putin.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1925195086289088836

And so was the US/NATO which in 1990 or 91 agreed to not allow NATO expansion to move eastward toward Russia. Then under Clinton, I believe 1994, eastward they moved. Like I said, don't poke the bear.

 

[Frankfooter]

And so was the US/NATO which in 1990 or 91 agreed to not allow NATO expansion to move eastward toward Russia. Then under Clinton, I believe 1994, eastward they moved. Like I said, don't poke the bear.

The bear was already poking everyone.
Putin was always doing covert and not so covert shite to other countries.

It wasn't NATO.

 

[Leimonis]

And so was the US/NATO which in 1990 or 91 agreed to not allow NATO expansion to move eastward toward Russia.

agreed - schmagreed it was not documented and there is no proof
so it's like trump sucking Putin's dick, no proof, just a matter of general consensus based on circumstantial evidence

 

[Robert Mugabe]

agreed - schmagreed it was not documented and there is no proof
so it's like trump sucking Putin's dick, no proof, just a matter of general consensus based on circumstantial evidence

 

[oil&gas]

Whose cock was sucked and by whom to get the rejected
Ukraine-US minerals deal eventually signed?

Hint: The cock sucked wasn't Russian and the cocksucker
wasn't American.

 

[oil&gas]

Ukrainian voice on NATO and negotiations

Message from beyond the Ukrainian curtain. Baltic play-tigers. New EU tariffs against Ukrainian goods. Coalition of the Unwilling

EVENTS IN UKRAINE
MAY 16, 2025

Today I’ll be talking about peace talks and geopolitics. The European Coalition of the Unwilling, Brussels’ plans for renewed tariffs against Ukrainian produce, analysis of Ukraine’s negotiation delegation in Istanbul, and Ukrainian nationalist disdain at Baltic and European indifference in combating the Russian threat they claim to be so worried about.

I’ll start with something that might be a bit more interesting - answers to some questions I asked a young leftwing historian living in a major east Ukrainian city, one that has certainly not been unaffected by the war. Since it’s quite easy to be charged with various thought crimes for some of the things he says, he will remain anonymous:

How do you feel about negotiations?

To begin with, I would like to draw attention to the fact that in Ukraine a discussion about the causes of the war is practically impossible, since raising questions about the role of Ukraine's course towards NATO membership or about the NATO responsibility in this war can be regarded as "justification of Russian aggression", which led to criminal prosecution - and this actually happens to ordinary people who simply said something thoughtlessly at the everyday level.

I am in favor of negotiations, but not to resolve secondary issues or to achieve a ceasefire that the sides will simply use to prepare for further slaughter, but to resolve the fundamental causes of war, which sides, however, understand differently. Without this attempt to accept the real contradictions between states there is only talk about negotiations without actual desire for them. If it comes to the Ukrainian government - what desire to end the war we can speak about if both Zelensky and Yermak [head of the presidential administration - EIU] have repeatedly called the "red line" intransigence on the issue of NATO membership, which the enemy namely considers the fundamental reason for the war? Moreover, Zelensky is showing intransigence on the issue that has never been approved nationwide in Ukraine and by refusal from which Ukraine actually loses nothing cause NATO won’t accept Ukraine till the war continues and in turn Russia would continue the war until Ukraine doesn’t refuse from NATO membership.

As for the Russian responsibility for sabotage of peace talks, its leadership complicates the start of negotiations and the conclusion of peace by posing territorial claims, especially to newly occupied Zaporizhia and Kherson regions. Understandable as a lever of blackmail in negotiations and logistically as providing a road to Crimea, these claims in fact expose the imperialist nature of Russian invasion, which contradicts the "anti-colonialist" rhetoric which Putin addresses to the countries of Global South.

I believe that instead of driving itself into a dead-end position where every new step only worsen the conditions and passively wait for "peace through force" with external help, the Ukrainian leadership could start negotiations with a concession from which it loses nothing - with a return to neutral status of country according to the Declaration of Sovereignty of Ukraine and refusal of chauvinistic humanitarian internal policy which declares that "there are no Russians in Ukraine" and contradicts the Constitution. If after that Russia continues to insist on territorial claims and continues war, then Putin's hypocrisy would become obvious even to neutral countries, and to Ukrainians who are hesitant now about the expediency of further struggle.

It is not about capitulation or unconditional acceptance of Putin's demands, but about the ability to see the reality that we have, in particular due to Zelensky's mistakes (for example, when he stopped peace negotiations in March 2022 or in fall 2022 after the successful counteroffensive in Kharkiv region when the opportunity to negotiate “from a position of strength” really existed). It is about the ability to distinguish, without nationalistic infantilism, the real national interests of all sides – be able to separate the interests of the Russian leadership from the national interests of Russia, which NATO expansion has really contradicts with. However, discussing this now is prohibited, which does not contribute to understanding the war, while without full understanding of war causes by the ordinary Ukrainians any peace, even if it is achieved, won’t be durable.

How does Ukrainian society and media feel about negotiations?

I don't know how society feels, because I don't trust polls during war. I know that many are angry at the government for the lack of a specific plan with terms and responsible for its fulfillments, for lack of prospects and the rhetoric of self-persuasion ("strong decisions", "pressure", "victory"). I have also observed how many ordinary people stubbornly refuse to analyze actual and changing situation, simply continuing to wish for Russia to disappear - that is, turning a blind eye to the problem. The funniest thing is when people advocate continuing the war in its current form, without a plan, but avoid conscription by themselves. This is the biggest shock I discovered for myself during the war as a mass phenomenon – most of people don’t see the contradiction in their words and deeds.

I don't watch TV, but internet media that are allowed to be in opposition to the government, such as “Ukrainska Pravda” and nationalist bloggers (Yanina Sokolova, Yurii Butusov) criticize the war politics of government only in "technical" aspects - that the war is being waged "wrongly". They don’t ask whether the conditioning the war continuation by the aim to join NATO, which Zelensky sticks to, really corresponds to the goals and interests of the Ukrainian nation. And thus those journalists, in my opinion, share with the authorities the responsibility for outcomes of this war – for the spread of the mistaken idea that the NATO membership is a security guarantee, while, at least as we observed for decades, it can be considered rather as a factor of destabilization for Ukraine.

The only Ukrainian journalist whose point of view I consider realistic and logically correct in the current situation is Ostap Drozdov.

The analysis above is particularly helpful in focusing on the fact that dying for NATO is never something that most Ukrainians agreed to. This is even admitted by pro-NATO politicians in Ukraine. On May 3, MP Viktoria Hryb from the Atlanticist party ‘European Solidarity’ stated the following:

Our Constitution didn’t always mention NATO. This was added *without a referendum—no one asked the people. First, it was added, and only later did we see that we were actually making progress in negotiations... And if not for those closed iron doors [of NATO], perhaps the situation would have been slightly different. If we had been admitted to NATO in 2008... Then there would have been much higher chances of joining NATO compared to later, when it became clear... Because countries think first of their own interests; they’re very pragmatic. And we only added this to the Constitution afterward. In my view—this is my position—our priority should be advancing toward the European Union

Note that the above MP is from ex-president Petro Poroshenko’s party. The statement could be seen as a criticism of Zelensky, who never shuts up about Ukraine’s need to join NATO. Lately, European Solidarity MPs have been urging Zelensky to ‘be quiet’ a bit more often, given his constant antagonization of Trump, and the fact that his strategy of forever-war isn’t without risks.

They may be positioning themselves as more open to abandoning NATO accession, but they still believe this is simply a temporary measure - it was Poroshenko, after all, who put striving towards NATO membership in Ukraine’s constitution in 2017. His current, obviously opportunistic ‘concessions’ are probably unlikely to convince the Kremlin.

Nevertheless, Ukraine’s government is adamant that the country will join NATO. On May 8, the Ukrainian cabinet stated yet again that Ukraine’s membership is ‘is the only alternative’.

They seem to care little what NATO itself says - the alliance released its yearly report in late April, and unlike the report from 2024, this time was no mention of Ukraine’s entry to NATO.

Indeed, despite the fact that NATO neutrality is the main Russian demand, Reuters reported on May 14 that officials in Kyiv ‘say agreeing to Ukrainian neutrality is a red line they will not cross.’ So why even bother to talk with the Russians?

It’s another season of show politics, broadcast live by Zelensky’s Kvartal 95 studio. But this time, there’s a special member in the trans-Atlantic audience they are performing for.
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