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Reports from Trumps call with Putin were what was expected. Russia will engage with Ukraine directly but I think it’s unlikely Putin will be willing to give much and move to a cease fire without more pressure from the US or Europe (currently almost none). It’s my opinion that Putin thinks he can capture the 4 regions he’s focused on and that he has the upper hand.
 

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Reports from Trumps call with Putin were what was expected. Russia will engage with Ukraine directly but I think it’s unlikely Putin will be willing to give much and move to a cease fire without more pressure from the US or Europe (currently almost none). It’s my opinion that Putin thinks he can capture the 4 regions he’s focused on and that he has the upper hand.
It's pretty clear to sane observers of this mess that the Russians not only have the upper hand but has effectively won the war. Ukraine lacks the munitions and manpower to carry on, the EU is incapable of filling the gaps and the US is simply going to wash their hands of this. So it's not so much that Putin thinks he can completely capture the four annexed oblasts, that's already a done deal. What I believe he thinks is that he can take four more
 

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It's pretty clear to sane observers of this mess that the Russians not only have the upper hand but has effectively won the war. Ukraine lacks the munitions and manpower to carry on, the EU is incapable of filling the gaps and the US is simply going to wash their hands of this. So it's not so much that Putin thinks he can completely capture the four annexed oblasts, that's already a done deal. What I believe he thinks is that he can take four more
If he takes four more he should draft Ukrainians into the Russian army and continue at least to Moldova if not baltics and Poland
 

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If he takes four more he should draft Ukrainians into the Russian army and continue at least to Moldova if not baltics and Poland
You assume two things. First that there are Ukrainians left to draft into any army. Second that Putin wants anything to do with Poland and the Baltics.
 

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If he takes four more he should draft Ukrainians into the Russian army and continue at least to Moldova if not baltics and Poland
It is not unthinkable for Ukraine to ally with Russia to counter
NATO-Europe in the near future. They (Russian and Ukrainian)
hate each other but they also fought together against Hitler and Napoleon.
Some day Ukraine will figure out they had been used by the west.

You assume two things. First that there are Ukrainians left to draft into any army. Second that Putin wants anything to do with Poland and the Baltics.
 
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You assume two things. First that there are Ukrainians left to draft into any army. Second that Putin wants anything to do with Poland and the Baltics.
I’m assuming a dog will eat as much as he possibly can, then will throw up and eat the vomit.

baltics and Poland used to belong to Russia and Putin loves his history
 

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It's pretty clear to sane observers of this mess that the Russians not only have the upper hand but has effectively won the war. Ukraine lacks the munitions and manpower to carry on, the EU is incapable of filling the gaps and the US is simply going to wash their hands of this. So it's not so much that Putin thinks he can completely capture the four annexed oblasts, that's already a done deal. What I believe he thinks is that he can take four more
He can take more, but why would he want them I can see hm taking Odessa, that would take away potential NATO port as well as leave Ukraine landlocked and having to rely on rail to export its grain. Russia will not allow Ukraine to raise a powerful army again let alone receive foreign troops or be a member of NATO. At most border guard and search and rescue. Ukraine should see the positive in this, after all they can never build an army that can defeat Russia anyway, so they may as weil spend the money on rebuilding and social benefits.
 

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It's pretty clear to sane observers of this mess that the Russians not only have the upper hand but has effectively won the war. Ukraine lacks the munitions and manpower to carry on, the EU is incapable of filling the gaps and the US is simply going to wash their hands of this. So it's not so much that Putin thinks he can completely capture the four annexed oblasts, that's already a done deal. What I believe he thinks is that he can take four more
Seems like its still a stale mate.
Not much has changed lately.
 

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Seems like its still a stale mate.
Not much has changed lately.
Thats what the west would like you to believe. Ukraine has been booted out of Kursk leaving 60K dead from that attack. Recent exchanges of corpses between the 2 armies are about 17:1 in favor of Russia. Russia has also ended its very generous financial incentives for recruiting, which was attracting 50-60K recruits per month. They have built 2 additional armies that will hopefully end it this summer if there is no deal
 

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Seems like its still a stale mate.
Not much has changed lately.
Nothing is happening overnight, but that said, all movement is in one direction, that being Russia taking over more and more Ukrainian territory. You obviously aren't following things very closely if you are thinking it is still a stalemate.
 

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Will any of this cause Europe to pull its head out of the sand and arm itself? All I’ve seen are words and group photos.

The US has announced a draw down of US troops in Europe will begin end of the year. They better get moving or learn Russian.
 

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Don't forget Finland!!!



And the Putin and Trumputin sycophants will cheer them on.
It is not a stalemate, Russia has taken on average about 20 square kilometres per day. Here is an article that has up to end of March 25. which shows the gains. Winter is slower, I would expect to see numbers back up to the last couple of quarters of 2024 to resume starting about April this year, but believe what you want, that is not a stalemate.

Why Russia’s military moves in 2025 show it is not ready to stop - New Eastern Europe
 
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It is not a stalemate, Russia is taken on average about 20 square kilometres per day. Here is an article that has up to end of March 25. which shows the gains. Winter is slower, I would expect to see numbers back up to the last couple of quarters of 2024 to resume starting about April this year, but believe what you want, that is not a stalemate.

Why Russia’s military moves in 2025 show it is not ready to stop - New Eastern Europe
Putin's right-hand puppet Trumputin has hampered Zelensky and Ukraine. If the Dems had one, more powerful weapons would have been sent to Ukraine, it's a shame. We will see when Putin crosses into one of the other countries if Trumputin will once again be his general.
 

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Putin's right-hand puppet Trumputin has hampered Zelensky and Ukraine. If the Dems had one, more powerful weapons would have been sent to Ukraine, it's a shame. We will see when Putin crosses into one of the other countries if Trumputin will once again be his general.
So what stopped the Dems from sending those weapons over the last 3 years? You're delusional, just like your friend frankfooter. And no Russia has no interest beyond the eastern portions of Ukraine, those that are primarily occupied by Russian speaking people, who were being bombing by the Nazis Ukrainians. Oh by the way, it is "won" not "one". So much for your higher education.
 
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So what stopped the Dems from sending those weapons over the last 3 years? You're delusional, just like your friend frankfooter. And no Russia has no interest beyond the eastern portions of Ukraine, those that are primarily occupied by Russian speaking people, who were being bombing by the Nazis Ukrainians. Oh by the way, it is "won" not "one". So much for your higher education.

OOOOOOHHHH, you caught a spell-check slip! Wow, what a victory! You must be feeling very accomplished. LMAO.

As for Franky and me, we’re not lockstep thinkers. We actually differ significantly on issues like Hamas and Israel. Just to be crystal clear: I’m firmly in Israel’s corner. I’d like to see Hamas dismantled, leader by leader, until there’s nothing left but dust.

Now, about Ukraine, the Democrats didn’t exactly rush to arm them with what they actually needed. Sure, they sent some outdated stockpiles, but what Ukraine really needed was cutting-edge weaponry and a clear green light to hit back hard. Biden should’ve delivered real firepower and told Zelenskyy: “Hit them where it hurts. Put the fear of God on Putin’s doorstep.”

That’s how deterrence works. Half-measures don’t cut it.
 
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...Russia has no interest beyond the eastern portions of Ukraine...
please don't place artificial limits on Russia's plans to return to their legitimate pre 1991 borders! Moldova, Ukraine and Baltics belong to the great Russia, even if they haven't realized it yet!
 
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It is not a stalemate, Russia is taken on average about 20 square kilometres per day. Here is an article that has up to end of March 25. which shows the gains. Winter is slower, I would expect to see numbers back up to the last couple of quarters of 2024 to resume starting about April this year, but believe what you want, that is not a stalemate.

Why Russia’s military moves in 2025 show it is not ready to stop - New Eastern Europe
So they should take all of Ukraine in what, another 100 years?
Its still less land then Russia held in 2022
 
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