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You're not wrong, it is just really frustrating. Apparently google is his source so that just speaks volumes and makes me think about that saying of arguing with an idiot. Given that this is a topic I've written several papers on it is just mildly infuriating because his definitions are not even ones that are advanced in the standard literature on the subject. But it is what it is and there is no reasoning with certain types.
Lmao! Look sweetheart, nobody cares what papers you wrote as an undergrad. Undergrads are kids who don't know jack shit, I know, I was one once. Your understanding of these concepts is shallow at best. Try reading an actual book. I suggest Critical Theory and Demagogic Populism by Paul K. Jones. He does a good job of distinguishing populism as a general concept from demagoguery. He is an actual academic with a PhD who has written papers worth reading, unlike yours.
 
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I don’t know what all these big political words mean but all I know is that the mainstream media told me that unless I unquestioningly support centrist corporate neoliberalism then I’m either a fascist, a socialist, or some abhorrent combination thereof.
 
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I mean, what happens in the political space and what happens in political science often do not align, that doesn't mean that one definition doesn't have more value or accuracy simply because of the source. Google can call ketchup spicy, it does not make it so.

Populist and Demagogue are labels very few people give themselves, because neither are usually a good thing. Demagogue and populist are not to be conflated, they aren't even in the same category of definitions. Populism is an ideology, demagoguery is a rhetorical style. The type of rhetoric most populists use incorporates some demagoguery. Demagoguery does not require an appeal to us the people vs whoever, demagoguery can be used it regards to climate issues, or anything else that rattles peoples emotions without pointing to elites or some other specific "other" as the cause. Demagoguery is only verbal, it is rhetorical, populism being an ideology can be written. These are obvious very surface issues, but a whole thesis could be written on this.
Wow, you're so wrong it's a wonder you study political science at all. Populism is NOT an ideology. It is an APPROACH. It can be used by anyone of any political ideology, Socialist, Libertarian etc. Demagoguery is a subset of that approach defined by a particular rhetoric, you're correct about that. Demagoguery ABSOLUTELY requires an appeal to us vs them mentality, that is a KEY component of it. It's entire purpose is to play on people's prejudices by creating an "other" to rally against while presenting the demagogue as the sole person who can save the masses. A demagogue misattributes the causes of the problems they claim to be fighting on behalf of the people for, and they attempt to create a cult of personality around themselves. A regular populist will not misattribute the causes of a problem, and they advocate the movement rather than attempting to cultivate a cult of personality.

You have no clue what you're talking about. I have to question which University you attend, is it York? I shudder to think UofT's standards could fall so low since I attended.
 
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Wow, you're so wrong it's a wonder you study political science at all. Populism is NOT an ideology. It is an APPROACH. It can be used by anyone of any political ideology, Socialist, Libertarian etc. Demagoguery is a subset of that approach defined by a particular rhetoric, you're correct about that. Demagoguery ABSOLUTELY requires an appeal to us vs them mentality, that is a KEY component of it. It's entire purpose is to play on people's prejudices by creating an "other" to rally against while presenting the demagogue as the sole person who can save the masses.

You have no clue what you're talking about. I need to question what institution you even attend. Is it York University? I hope to god it isn't UofT because I shudder to think their standards would fall so low since I attended.
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I don't make an "hourly rate" I earn a salary. Just another basic concept you need explained to you because you're not very bright.
Salaries are based on a presumed hourly rate, I've had salary jobs, they usually harass you if you don't fulfill your hourly obligations so it really is an hourly job, except free overtime is usually expected, diminishing your hourly income. Salary only benefits the employer, and I don't know about in Ontario, but in BC you can often go after an employer for unpaid over time if you are "salary". There are obviously a few exceptions to this, but in most cases it holds. So, by definition, most salary employees are actually hourly employees, legally speaking.
 

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Salaries are based on a presumed hourly rate, I've had salary jobs, they usually harass you if you don't fulfill your hourly obligations so it really is an hourly job, except free overtime is usually expected, diminishing your hourly income. Salary only benefits the employer, and I don't know about in Ontario, but in BC you can often go after an employer for unpaid over time if you are "salary". There are obviously a few exceptions to this, but in most cases it holds. So, by definition, most salary employees are actually hourly employees, legally speaking.
By definition, a salary is NOT an hourly rate. I understand that definitions are difficult for you, but try to keep up. I get paid sick days and time off, better benefits package, better bonuses and much higher overall pay than most hourly jobs - so no, it's not a "presumed hourly rate." I have all the freedom I want at work, especially while working from home during Covid. My employer doesn't give a shit what I do so long as I meet my deadlines.

Just like with everything else so far, you're wrong about basic stuff.
 
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By definition, a salary is NOT an hourly rate. I understand that definitions are difficult for you, but try to keep up. I get paid sick days and time off, better benefits package, better bonuses and much higher overall pay than most hourly jobs - so no, it's not a "presumed hourly rate." I have all the freedom I want at work, especially while working from home during Covid. My employer doesn't give a shit what I do so long as I meet my deadlines.

Just like with everything else so far, you're wrong about basic stuff.
Oh anecdotal evidence, touche! I've been hourly and had sick days, bonuses, great benefits etc etc. It is presumed hourly unless you fall in the exceptions. Unless you are one of exceptions, if you can document that you worked over 40hrs a week and did not get paid overtime, the labor tribunal will likely force the employer to give you retroactive overtime. I had a salary job with deadlines, one of the owners didn't give a single shit what I did as long as I met them, the other wanted to make sure he was getting maximum productivity for my wages and was always up my ass. I know you like to pretend you know what definitions are, but it is getting old.
 
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