Rule Number 1 of Fight Club..

[The Fruity Hare]

So its easy way call it all of them shill.. It resolves the problem..

Then why is this place called Toronto Escort Review Board? Maybe Fred could rename it TESB - Toronto Escort Shill board ... that way we know what we can expect.

In that respect, I do agree with Manji's post above. The line became blurred a long time ago, and to the people involved, it has become ingrained and they see nothing wrong with it.

On the other side of the fence are the guys who still follow the original TERB mantra and are frustrated that sometimes, " A review isn't a review" but rather an attempt at entering a story to Penthouse Forums.

 

[Rockslinger]

Maybe we should adopt the restaurant reviewer model. You know, walk in wearing sunglasses and a big hat and order item 3 from the menu.

 

[The Fruity Hare]

Maybe we should adopt the restaurant reviewer model. You know, walk in wearing sunglasses and a big hat and order item 3 from the menu.

But are you going to get a free appetizer, a larger portion of item 3 and all you can eat dessert because the lovely waitress knows you are a food reviewer. With the manager giving you a foot massage and overflowing glasses of wine. Laughing, joking and treating you like an old friend.

While the othe guy who hasn't told her he is a reviewer sits in the corner by the washroom and gets the plate of food that fell on the floor in the kitchen? With a plastic smile and the only touch he gets is an accidental elbow by the busboy. And still pays the same as Mr. Popularity at the other table..

 

[beenthere123]

Maybe the point is that these days you don't know who is posting an honest review.


An objective review not tainted by familiarity.



And I thought you said five or six times you were no longer going to comment in these threads?

Damn and I thought you were one of the good guys. No need for those comments.

 

[The Fruity Hare]

Damn and I thought you were one of the good guys. No need for those comments.

I consider myself one of the good guys, just as you do, and the other guys on the other side of the discussion from you. We all think ourselves to be the good guy, and unfortunately, some see someone with an opposing view as the "bad guy". I see both points. When I agree with you, I am one of the good guys. When I disagree, I put on my black hat. Same as if I respond in kind to the guys on the other side.

So in reality, maybe I am half good, half bad. But that is someone else's perspective, not mine.

If you read the comment I was responding to, it may seem a little more impartial. I am not calling anyone shill, however I do agree to a certain extent that knowing a review is coming, the service may be somewhat enhanced.

My point being that it then becomes unfair on the guy going in discreetly, not announcing his membership, paying the same fee, and not receiving the same service he thought was regularly available because of the review.. When is a review not a review? What is a review? Does it really matter anymore.

Some guys don't care about anything, as long as they can get bbbj. Some guys want to know if she gives DFK. Some guys want Greek on the menu. To someone writing a review, some things may not be important, but to a reader, each detail may make or break their plans to see a girl. Only to feel they have wasted their money, because they didn't get what they thought was a regular service.

And then of course, it also involves YMMV.

 

[The Fruity Hare]

Perhaps it is time for you and a few others to start your own board where you will have the time & ability to scrutinize/verify the authenticity and honesty of all your reviewers.

In the meantime, I'll say this: I have been an active member of TERB almost as long as you. I was a working gal for almost 6 years prior to starting EXQ and have had the privilege of making many, MANY friends/acquaintances; & I wouldn't have it any other way. (In fact, seven+ years ago I kidded with you; inviting YOU to join me at a Canada/US rally--post 9/11. Little did I know at the time perhaps that was a big no-no because OMG Vanessa would have met the Fruity Hare from TERB).



I don't like seeing good people maligned.

Vanessa

I did attend that rally, (Do you have that good a memory, or did you look through my posting history?) and would have been more than happy to chat with you had I seen you. I have attended at least one of the TERB functions. I don't consider it fraternizing with the enemy.


I am quite happy on this board. I have seen the changes, accept them and am more than content to remain here.

There is an abundance of animosity being thrown around by both sides, and when that happens, very often people stop listening, and just repeat what they want to convey.

I have been trying to point out that Group A is upset that they are being called shills. Which is unfair to them and as far as I can see, untrue. They are not shilling, just relating their sessions.

There are a number of members in Group B who may feel mislead by a review, because they feel once a person divulges their TERB handle, that person will be treated (even perhaps unconsciously) better than the average Joe. They are not calling the others shills, but since one person used that word in the original thread, the reviewers have their backs up and any any comment is taken to mean that they are shills. It seems there can be no impartiality anymore.

Yes, there are apparently several hard core members who would settle for nothing less than a lynching, however of all the writers saying that they prefer to remain unknown, I believe there are only two who are hard core anti divulging identities. The others have tried to put their point across without becoming belligerent or over bearing.

To simplify it, I gues they are looking at group A as the kid in class who takes an apple in to the teacher and then gets special treatment. To the kid with the apple, he is doing no wrong in his mind, it's just an apple. But to the kid from group B, that apple means higher marks, and less work from the teacher for apple boy.

And teacher just sees an apple.

So, as I just said in a previous post it all comes down to perspective. And YMMV.

 

[Manji]

My take on this whole FF thing is very simple. Yes he is over-exhuberant and clearly has a ton of fun with the majority of ladies he sees; but aside from that, I think this witch-hunt is purely driven by jealousy and envy based on the fact that he has the money and the time to see so many ladies.

Vanessa

I don't know if I'm classified as part of this witch-hunt but your statement above is a false assumption....


Maybe I spend a lot of money on SPs or maybe I don't...
Maybe I spend a lot of money on your agency or maybe I don't....
It has nothing to do with hating the player it has to do with how he plays the game....


The real issue is that a TERB member who keeps a low profile and his membership secret should be treated and serviced equally to a TERB member who announces he's a member to the whole world and to every SP and agency owner he meets....


Choose your words carefully because you may turn off some regular and potential clients (the ones who choose to be discrete) by choosing sides on this debate....



Fuck I'm tired....I'm going to bed....

 

[nolabel]

. . . My take on this whole FF thing is very simple . . . I think this witch-hunt is purely driven by jealousy and envy based on the fact that he has the money and the time to see so many ladies . . . the guys who are complaining about FF's (et al) adventures are strikingly similar. IMO bitter . . . Vanessa

I think this is a very unfair conclusion. Some of us never bothered to flame FF, because we don't know FF and never found the embellished reviews too troublesome. Some of us find the flaming and counter-flaming a bit juvenile, in fact, and are quite puzzled to see what appears to be an old blood fued surfacing in a few threads. Upon reading these threads, some of us saw an issue of substance buried in all the ruckus . . . Is the terb handle being used for session leverage?

Speaking for myself, in my post I suggested it was a lose-lose proposition to use terb handles for session leverage: SP's basically get blackmailed, and readers duped, so that the end result is a loss of integrity for reviews overall. I think other posters had similar concerns about the possible (mis)use of the terb handle. Their concerns were about that general problem, and had nothing to do with either flaming FF or defending FF. Just to be clear, it seems well enough established that FF is not a shill. But the issue of using terb handles to gain session leverage arose in this thread and another, and is still a reasonable question to debate separate from anything to do with FF.

So I guess I am saying that you might be burying an issue of substance, by dismissing all posts that did not say 'but FF rules' with some psychological theory about our supposed envy and bitterness. Some of us saw a bigger picture beyond the FF issue. Besides, I wonder about your sense of a well-balanced life if you really think alot of us would be envious of anyone dropping significant sums of money on, and investing significant time in, a hobby. No matter what the hobby. I like to spread my discretionary income around, thanks, and I like to spend my time doing different kinds of things.

Sorry, this post just irked me. I've never been keen on the use of pop psychology to lump together what are actually separate things. If you want real psychology, how about this: is it a coincidence that agencies are fawning over someone who spends significant amounts of money at agencies? Maybe some of us posting here need to defend FunnyFace from you?

 

[FunnyFace]

The real issue is that a TERB member who keeps a low profile and his membership secret should be treated and serviced equally to a TERB member who announces he's a member to the whole world and to every SP and agency owner he meets....

If this member treated different than other guy than he has every right to make the complain.. What is stopping him? We are all here because we want to have good time with ladies.. Shooting each others legs wont help...

I have been trying to point out that Group A is upset that they are being called shills. Which is unfair to them and as far as I can see, untrue. They are not shilling, just relating their sessions.

There are a number of members in Group B who may feel mislead by a review, because they feel once a person divulges their TERB handle, that person will be treated (even perhaps unconsciously) better than the average Joe. They are not calling the others shills, but since one person used that word in the original thread, the reviewers have their backs up and any any comment is taken to mean that they are shills. It seems there can be no impartiality anymore.

Yes, there are apparently several hard core members who would settle for nothing less than a lynching, however of all the writers saying that they prefer to remain unknown, I believe there are only two who are hard core anti divulging identities. The others have tried to put their point across without becoming belligerent or over bearing.

Similar answer.. If the low profile member gets low milage from same lady.. There is nothing here to stops him to make a complain..

I am only talking for my behalf... I dont have a single problem if any other member doesnt agree with me on one review i have post.. Which it happened.. Here is an example .. Brooke @ GOE .. i said i did have okay session and we didnt click.. most people didnt agree with me..
But calling it one reviewer a shill and he is full of it..because he is not your type of regular Citizen Joe.. its little out of the way.. I will use your words.. "Which is unfair to them and as far as I can see, untrue. "

 

[moviefan]

I think other posters had similar concerns about the possible (mis)use of the terb handle. Their concerns were about that general problem, and had nothing to do with either flaming FF or defending FF. Just to be clear, it seems well enough established that FF is not a shill. But the issue of using terb handles to gain session leverage arose in this thread and another, and is still a reasonable question to debate separate from anything to do with FF.

Exactly. That is a perfect explanation of the context for this thread.

In fact, in that other thread from the weekend, I was the one who proposed the idea for this thread. And I clearly stated the reason I was thinking we needed a new thread was because I did not want to talk about individual reviewers or specific reviews.

(Yes, I'm almost certain I'm repeating myself. In this case, I'm OK with that.)

 

[FunnyFace]

Exactly. That is a perfect explanation of the context for this thread.

In fact, in that other thread from the weekend, I was the one who proposed the idea for this thread. And I clearly stated the reason I was thinking we needed a new thread was because I did not want to talk about individual reviewers or specific reviews.

I will be happy more than anything if we can do this!

 

[rama putri]

Don't want to read 165 posts. What's the drama now?

 

[moviefan]

Don't want to read 165 posts. What's the drama now?

In a nutshell, a number of people are upset because some newbies have been posting in the non-adult movie review section that Edward Norton's performance in The People vs. Larry Flynt was better than his performance in Fight Club.

Can you believe it? Why would anyone say something so outrageous?

Some of us are suspicious and we're starting to check the newbies' posting histories.

 

[FunnyFace]

In a nutshell, a number of people are upset because some newbies have been posting in the non-adult movie review section that Edward Norton's performance in The People vs. Larry Flynt was better than his performance in Fight Club.

Can you believe it? Why would anyone say something so outrageous?

Some of us are suspicious and we're starting to check the newbies' posting histories.

LMAO!!! that was a good one MF!

 

[7.5]

"7.5" is his I.Q.

Over 1000 posts in less then 2 months?

And someone with that body of work is questioning anyones IQ?

 

[7.5]

Damn and I thought you were one of the good guys. No need for those comments.

I guess it just shows people dont like shilly reviews written when the girl is sitting right next to the guy.

Not hard to understand. Just stop encouraging your circle jerk group to keep doing it. It should end the problem.

 

[7.5]

My take on this whole FF thing is very simple. Yes he is over-exhuberant and clearly has a ton of fun with the majority of ladies he sees; but aside from that, I think this witch-hunt is purely driven by jealousy and envy based on the fact that he has the money and the time to see so many ladies.

Good thing your not out of touch with reality

 

[7.5]

My fantasy has just been fulfilled,

Maybe this is the problem. This is a fantasy to too many here. Pop your nut when you get horny and be done with it. This sint a fantasy...If it is you need to STOP POSTING AS MUCH HERE AND GET OUTSIDE.

 

[BallzDeep]

Maybe this is the problem. This is a fantasy to too many here. Pop your nut when you get horny and be done with it. This sint a fantasy...If it is you need to STOP POSTING AS MUCH HERE AND GET OUTSIDE.

You may be on to something here, I usually like to bust a nut and be on my way, write a review if it's warranted, and life goes on, not make it a large part of my life. Good observation.

I could never understand the fascination with these escorts, they provide a brief pleasurable experience, and we both go our separate ways.

 

[Rockslinger]

Maybe this is the problem. This is a fantasy to too many here. Pop your nut when you get horny and be done with it. This sint a fantasy..

Hey people, PEACE. Hopefully, the world is big enough to accommodate both groups of players.

There are those who want to "bask in the glow" and relive the experience. Sort of like the "19th hole" in golf for those who play golf. Then there are those who simply want to "blow their load" and quickly get back to cleaning out the garage. There is no need for the second group to attack the first group.