You're calling Amnesty, HRW, B'teselem and the UN anti-semites, as well as most major media.
Rockets Fired At Tel Aviv From Gaza
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Details on some of those civilians gunned down by Israeli snipers hiding behind a fence.Even the organizers if the protests admit that they have included violence. Of course you are more concerned with the rights of people throwing firebombs but continually justify Hamas committing actual war crimes.
From the UN report.Mohammad Obeid (24)
Mohammad was a footballer. At approximately 9 a.m., Israeli forces shot him with a single
bullet in both legs while he was walking alone approximately 150 m from the separation fence.
His injuries ended his football career.
Schoolboy (16)
Israeli forces shot a schoolboy in the face as he distributed sandwiches to demonstrators, 300
m from the separation fence. His hearing is now permanently impaired.
Abed Hawajri (41)
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Abed was a resident of the Nuseirat refugee camp. Israeli forces killed him with a shot to the
abdomen as he stood in a crowd of demonstrators approximately 150 m from the separation
fence.
Naji Abu Hojayeer (24)
Naji, a mechanic from the Bureij refugee camp, was killed with a shot to the abdomen by
Israeli forces as he stood wrapped in a Palestinian flag, 300 m from the separation fence.
Yousef Kronz (19)
Israeli forces shot Yousef, a student journalist, in the legs with two bullets in immediate
succession. He was wearing a blue vest marked “Press” while photographing the
demonstrations approximately 800 m from the separation fence. His right leg had to be
amputated.
(b) At the North Gaza demonstration site:
Mohammad Kamal Najar (25)
Mohammad, from Jabaliya, was killed when Israeli forces shot him in the abdomen as he
approached a wounded friend approximately 50 m from the fence, and threw stones at the
Israeli soldiers.
Tha’ier Rabaa (30)
Tha’ier, from Jabaliya, was shot in the thigh by Israeli forces approximately 30 m from the
separation fence. He died of his injuries a week later.
Mohammad Ajouri (17)
Israeli forces shot Mohammad, a student athlete, in the back of his right leg as he gave onions
to demonstrators to relieve tear-gas symptoms, approximately 300 m from the fence. His leg
had to be amputated.
Abdel Fatah Nabi (18)
Israeli forces killed Abed, from Beit Lahia, when they shot him in the back of the head as he
ran, carrying a tyre, away from and about 400 m from the separation fence.
Bader Sabagh (19)
Bader, from Jabaliya, was killed by Israeli forces when they shot him in the head as he stood
smoking a cigarette 300 m from the separation fence.
(c) At the Gaza City demonstration site:
Schoolboy (13)
Israeli forces shot a schoolboy in the leg as he stood in a crowd on Jakkar Street,
approximately 300 m from the separation fence.
(d) At the Khan Younis demonstration site:
Schoolgirl (13), Marwan Qudieh (45) and two wounded
Israeli forces injured a schoolgirl with bullet fragmentation. As she lay on the ground, four
men attempted to evacuate her. The forces shot three of them, killing Marwan Qudieh (45)
from Khuzaa village and injuring a potato seller and another man in the legs. One of the
rescuers had to have a leg amputated.
Jihad Abu Jamous (30)
Jihad, a resident of Bani Suheila, was killed by Israeli forces by a shot to the head,
approximately 300 m from the separation fence.
(e) At the Rafah demonstration site:
Ameen Abu Mo’amar (25)
Ameen, from Al-Soufi neighbourhood, was killed by Israeli forces with a shot to the abdomen
as he stood in a crowd, approximately 60 m from the separation fence.
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Maryam Abu Matar (16)
Maryam, a schoolgirl from Rafah, was shot in the leg by Israeli forces as she stood with a
small group of girls waving Palestinian flags, approximately 50 m from the separation fence.
Alaa Dali (21)
Alaa, a member of the Palestinian cycling team, was shot by Israeli forces in the leg as he
stood holding his bicycle, wearing his cycling kit, watching the demonstrations,
approximately 300 m
Details on Hamas firing rockets that you refuse to condemn? Hamas freely admits to firing these rockets. You claim to support Amnesty and HRW but they unequivocally condemn those rockets while you keep trying to justify and excuse them.Details on ...
Media and even the organizers say that violence is a regular occurrence. But of course you are more critical of Israel shooting at people throwing firebombs than you are about Hamas gunning down random civilians at bus stops.
p.s. Hamas just threatened to destroy Tel Aviv with these war crime rockets.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas...-remain-on-the-trigger-to-protect-our-people/
I'm sure you support it as "self defense".
I support HRW and Amnesty in all their findings.You claim to support Amnesty and HRW
Why won't you?
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/03/29/why-gaza-protests-wont-stopWhy the Gaza Protests Won’t Stop
Despite Carnage, Palestinians Continue to Demand Their Rights
Abier Almasri
Research Assistant, Middle East and North Africa Division
Israeli forces fire tear gas towards Palestinian demonstrators near the fences separating Gaza and Israel, as seen from the Israeli side, on March 30, 2018. © 2018 Reuters
On Saturday, Palestinians in Gaza will head to the fences with Israel that effectively serve as their prison walls to mark one year since they began weekly demonstrations against Israel’s more than decade-long closure of Gaza. I’ve spent much of the past year speaking to men, women, boys, and girls who participated in the demonstration, often in hospitals, as part of Human Rights Watch’s investigation into the protests and Israel’s response to them.
The sights and sounds haunt me. Screams of protesters who have only over-the-counter drugs for their pain as they await surgery as doctors prioritize even more serious injuries. Tears of families grieving the deaths of loved ones. A high-school student’s joy showing me a video of him singing beautifully as he lay in a hospital bed with a leg injury with his mother weeping beside him.
The protests, known as the “Great March of Return,” commemorate the expulsion and flight of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees when Israel was established in 1948. Today, the majority of Gaza’s population are these refugees or their descendants, all of whom the United Nations considers refugees.
The United Nations Commission of Inquiry on the 2018 Gaza protests determined that Israeli forces had killed 189 protesters in 2018 and wounded more than 6,000 with live fire between March 30 and December, “many while standing hundreds of meters from the snipers.” The snipers, as one commissioner put it, “shot at unarmed protesters, children and disabled persons, and at health workers and journalists performing their duties, knowing who they are.”
The commissioners concluded that, while demonstrations were “at times violent,” 187 of those killings were unlawful ** cases in which protesters didn’t pose an imminent threat to life or where force was “neither necessary nor proportional” ** and that Israeli forces may have committed war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Human Rights Watch did not investigate every case, but found that Israeli forces repeatedly fired on protesters who posed no imminent threat to life, pursuant to expansive open-fire orders from senior officials that contravene international human rights law standards, acts that may amount to war crimes, since international humanitarian law applies given Israel’s continuing effective control over Gaza.
Every protester has their own story:** a footballer I spoke with who was shot in the leg and was awaiting treatment outside of Gaza so he could again play the game he loved. A photojournalist friend struck in the eye by a teargas canister while covering a demonstration in December and unable to work since his injury. But there were common threads: barely getting by economically, never having left Gaza, yearning for the chance to live in a dignified manner. Will anyone listen?
Why won't you ever support HRW and Amnesty reports in their entirety, as I do?
Except when they criticize Hamas. Instead you deny Hamas is involved in terrorism and argue that the rockets are the right of self defense. You are a complete fraud.I support HRW and Amnesty in all their findings.
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Why won't you ever support HRW and Amnesty reports in their entirety, as I do?
You are a complete fraud.
You are the fraud here.
You can post any HRW, Amnesty or UN report on the issues and I'll back their findings and support investigations based on their results.
But you, on the other hand, pretend to support HRW and Amnesty but you will only support their criticism of Hamas, not of Israel.
You are the fraud, not me.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20190406-netanyahu-killing-300-gaza-protesters-was-wise-decision/Netanyahu: Killing 300 Gaza protesters was ‘wise’ decision
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You are the fraud here.
You can post any HRW, Amnesty or UN report on the issues and I'll back their findings and support investigations based on their results....
Unlawful and deadly: Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/unlawful-and-deadly-palestinian-rocket-attacks-gaza
Palestinian rocket attacks – which have killed three Israeli civilians and wounded dozens of others since November – are an ongoing threat to the nearly 800,000 Israeli civilians who live and work in range of the rockets. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have sought to justify the attacks as appropriate reprisals for Israeli military operations and the ongoing blockade against Gaza, and as a lawful response to the Israeli occupation of Gaza. As noted below, international humanitarian law (the “laws of war”) does not support these asserted justifications.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/08/...lians-palestinian-armed-groups-rocket-attacks
But you have gone exactly against what HRW says by trying to justify the rockets and suggested they are self defense.
I fully support the findings of that HRW report and fully support proper legal investigations and charges based on that report.
Unlawful and deadly: Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/unlawful-and-deadly-palestinian-rocket-attacks-gaza
Palestinian rocket attacks – which have killed three Israeli civilians and wounded dozens of others since November – are an ongoing threat to the nearly 800,000 Israeli civilians who live and work in range of the rockets. Hamas and other Palestinian armed groups have sought to justify the attacks as appropriate reprisals for Israeli military operations and the ongoing blockade against Gaza, and as a lawful response to the Israeli occupation of Gaza. As noted below, international humanitarian law (the “laws of war”) does not support these asserted justifications.
https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/08/...lians-palestinian-armed-groups-rocket-attacks
But you have gone exactly against what HRW says by trying to justify the rockets and suggested they are self defense.
As I also fully support the findings of this HRW report and also support proper legal investigations based off its findings.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/06/13/israel-apparent-war-crimes-gaza
Are you a total fraud, or do you support the findings of HRW, as I do?
So why do you keep avoiding criticism of Hamas over it?I fully support the findings of that HRW report and fully support proper legal investigations and charges based on that report....
When Hamas fired hundreds of those war crimes, you justified it because Israel was installing surveillance equipment. You did not once say Hamas was wrong to respond with war crimes.
When Hamas rockets were fired at central Israel, you avoidied criticizing them because Hamas says they didn't fire them intentionally as if somehow having war crimes aimed and that ready to launch isn't a problem.
You and I both know that your "both sides" comments are just a deflection technique so you can avoid directly criticizing Hamas. You were able to identify the tactic when Trump used it but for some reason you have adopted it as your main tactic (other than blatant lies).
Do you support the findings of HRW or not?So why do you keep avoiding criticism of Hamas over it?
You pretend to do so but you keep avoiding criticism of Israeli policy and crimes against humanity.
Are you a total fraud or do you support their findings, as I do?
As HRW, who you agree with, reported in June of last year:
https://www.hrw.org/news/2018/06/13/israel-apparent-war-crimes-gazaHuman Rights Watch interviewed nine people who witnessed Israeli forces shooting protesters in Gaza on May 14, the day with the highest toll of deaths and injuries so far when more than 60 people were killed, and another who saw a journalist shot and killed on April 6. Seven of these interviewees not only witnessed people being shot, but were also themselves shot. The shootings happened at places where protests were held near the perimeter fences that separate the Gaza Strip from Israel, including east of Jabalya, Gaza City, Khan Yunis, and Rafah. Their accounts, along with photographs and videos, show a pattern of Israeli forces shooting people who posed no imminent threat to life with live ammunition. Israel should pay adequate compensation in all cases in which its forces unlawfully shot people or killed their family members.
Six of the witnesses Human Rights Watch interviewed said they were 200 to 300 meters from the two parallel fences, that in most places separate Gaza’s eastern periphery and Israel, on May 14 when Israeli forces shot them or people close to them with live ammunition. The victims include journalists, civil defense workers, and volunteers trying to evacuate the wounded, and a child running away from the fences.
Three other witnesses said that soldiers shot them when they were between 30 and 40 meters from the fences. These three include a 14-year-old boy and a 48-year-old man, shot in separate incidents, who said they had not thrown stones or otherwise tried to harm Israeli soldiers. A third man said he had approached the fences and thrown stones at Israeli forces, but that he was shot later, while attempting to evacuate another man who was shot and wounded. The accounts are consistent with numerous news reports and videos that show Palestinians being shot while standing still or running away from the fences.
Those Human Rights Watch interviewed said most of the shooting incidents they witnessed during the May 14 protests involved Israeli forces shooting people in the legs. But witnesses also described seven additional cases in which Israeli forces shot protesters who posed no imminent threat to life in the upper body, indicating that Israeli soldiers may have intended to kill them. One witness said he was shot in the back at a distance of 200 meters from the fences, with the bullet exiting his chest. Another said he saw a civil defense worker fatally shot in the chest 200 meters from the fences. Another witness said he saw a man in his 50s who was shot in the head when he approached to within 15 meters of the fences while holding a Palestinian flag. Two witnesses said they saw a man who was fatally shot in the head while being evacuated from close to the fences after being shot in the arm.
From March 30 to June 8, Palestinians have engaged in weekly demonstrations near the fences between Gaza and Israel to protest against the 11-year closure of Gaza and to commemorate the expulsion and flight of hundreds of thousands of Palestinian refugees when Israel was established in 1948. Protests held on May 14 were also against the opening of the US embassy that day in Jerusalem. During the protests in this period, Israeli forces fired on demonstrators and killed 118 people during demonstrations, including 14 children, and wounded 3,895 with live ammunition who required hospitalization. At least 40 have needed to have limbs amputated, and hundreds more suffered severe injuries, medical officials reported.
You obviously don't so why should I? Just another case or your racist double standard since you love what they say about Israel but argue against their findings on Hamas.Do you support the findings of HRW or not?...
Its confirmed here that you no longer support the findings of human rights organizations, including HRW, Amnesty, B'teselem and the UN.You obviously don't so why should I? Just another case or your racist double standard since you love what they say about Israel but argue against their findings on Hamas.
Just one more retreat from moral grounds in your dwindling arguments.
Just confirmed that your support of human rights groups depends only on who they are criticizing.Its confirmed here that you no longer support the findings of human rights organizations, including HRW, Amnesty, B'teselem and the UN.
Just one more retreat from moral grounds in your dwindling arguments.
I dare you to say there is no legal basis for Hamas to have those rockets or that Hamas is completely wrong to target random Jewish civilians in Israel.
Bullshit, I stated I support their reports on both sides, even the 10 year old, cherry picked report that you found.Just confirmed that your support of human rights groups depends only on who they are criticizing.
You, however, refuse to accept the findings of Amnesty and HRW on Israeli crimes against humanity.
You are a fraud.
Speaking of fraud, you say you agree with HRW and Amnesty while trying to deny the legitimacy of their statements. Hmm.Bullshit, I stated I support their reports on both sides, even the 10 year old, cherry picked report that you found.
You, however, refuse to accept the findings of Amnesty and HRW on Israeli crimes against humanity.
You are a fraud.
If you actually agreed with Amnesty/HRW you would agree that Hamas rockets are completely against international law. Instead you keep justifying them and pretending they are covered under self defense.
Noting that you had to go back 10 years to even find one human rights report you'd quote isn't 'denying the legitimacy' of those reports, its calling out how sad your case has become.Speaking of fraud, you say you agree with HRW and Amnesty while trying to deny the legitimacy of their statements. Hmm.
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Back to the fraud charge, I support investigations and charges on both sides based on all reports, even those 10 years old.
That leaves you as the fraud who will only quote or accept human rights reports on Palestinians and not on Israelis.
You sir, are the fraud here.
More of you arguing against Amnesty and HRW by trying to justify Hamas rockets. Hamas has been using the same tactics since their coup took over Gaza and the reports from then are just as valid today. Maybe you should be criticizing Hamas for using the rockets for a decade after Amnesty and HRW called them illegal.Noting that you had to go back 10 years to even find one human rights report you'd quote isn't 'denying the legitimacy' of those reports, its calling out how sad your case has become.
Back to the fraud charge, I support investigations and charges on both sides based on all reports, even those 10 years old.
That leaves you as the fraud who will only quote or accept human rights reports on Palestinians and not on Israelis.
You sir, are the fraud here.
Unlawful and deadly: Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/unlawful-and-deadly-palestinian-rocket-attacks-gaza
Gaza: Palestinian Rockets Unlawfully Targeted Israeli Civilians
https://www.hrw.org/news/2012/12/24/gaza-palestinian-rockets-unlawfully-targeted-israeli-civilians
Do you agree with their charges or are you going to continue arguing that Gaza rockets are justified?
As soon as you say you accept all of the findings of HRW and Amnesty, and absolutely everything posted in those two reports, then I will fully support those findings.More of you arguing against Amnesty and HRW by trying to justify Hamas rockets. Hamas has been using the same tactics since their coup took over Gaza and the reports from then are just as valid today. Maybe you should be criticizing Hamas for using the rockets for a decade after Amnesty and HRW called them illegal.
Unlawful and deadly: Palestinian rocket attacks from Gaza
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/unlawful-and-deadly-palestinian-rocket-attacks-gaza
Gaza: Palestinian Rockets Unlawfully Targeted Israeli Civilians
https://www.hrw.org/news/2012/12/24/gaza-palestinian-rockets-unlawfully-targeted-israeli-civilians
Do you agree with their charges or are you going to continue arguing that Gaza rockets are justified?
Until then you are just posting reports from organizations you don't support.
So lay it out, zailbetter, do you back all the reports and everything stated in those reports you are posting?
Are you a total fraud, or do you actually support human rights and the rule of law, zailbetter?
I have never blindly accepted their statements. Like any group they have their strengths and weaknesses. Their usual weakness is having to rely on data collected by other sources or second hand statements.As soon as you say you accept all of the findings of HRW and Amnesty,...
You on the other hand routinely quote them when they criticize Israel but argue completely against their views when they criticize Hamas or Palestinians. You have endlessly tried to justify Gaza rockets despite HRW and Amnesty clearly stating they are illegal and target civilians. You also have a history of claiming Israeli settlers are valid targets despite Amnesty and HRW clearly stating they are civilians.
I dare you to say that Hamas use of rockets is illegal and targeting civilians. Sadly you are incapable of saying so.
No, just youYou're calling Amnesty, HRW, B'teselem and the UN anti-semites, as well as most major media
