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basketcase

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Minimize?

Hamas' rockets have likely injured 6 people this year while Israel shot 4 and injured 200 just this last weekend alone.
You are the one that continues to minimize Israeli crimes against humanity, through apartheid, the Gaza concentration camp and the weekly gunning down of civilians.

How dare you claim I minimize Hamas crimes after your continual minimizing of Israeli acts of violence.
I love how you deny minimizing the rockets and then go right on minimizing the rockets.

I guess this puts to rest any claim of you actually supporting Amnesty or Human Rights Watch.



I'll add to your stats
https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Photos/YearOfTerror1.jpg
1,233 rocket/mortar bomb launches
18 incidents of gunfire from the Gaza Strip
94 IED incidents, where one or several explosive devices were hurled across the security barrier
600 Molotov cocktail incidents
152 incidents of arson/burning tires/hurling of various objects
 

Frankfooter

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I love how you deny minimizing the rockets and then go right on minimizing the rockets.

I guess this puts to rest any claim of you actually supporting Amnesty or Human Rights Watch.



I'll add to your stats
https://mfa.gov.il/MFA/ForeignPolicy/Terrorism/Photos/YearOfTerror1.jpg
1,233 rocket/mortar bomb launches
18 incidents of gunfire from the Gaza Strip
94 IED incidents, where one or several explosive devices were hurled across the security barrier
600 Molotov cocktail incidents
152 incidents of arson/burning tires/hurling of various objects
I fully support you taking those to the ICC and laying charges where appropriate for war crimes.
Jus as I fully support taking Israel to the ICC and laying charges based on the near 200 page report on Israeli crimes against humanity detailed below.
https://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/H...sion40/Documents/A_HRC_40_74_CRP2.18March.pdf

Lets let the ICC decide who is gunning down civilians, bombing civilians and terrorizing populations.

 

Phil C. McNasty

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I thought Frankie said that Hamas had given up their terrorist ways
 

Frankfooter

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I thought Frankie said that Hamas had given up their terrorist ways
Yes, for the most part they have.
The rockets fired are mostly not from Hamas, except for a couple of incidents including a reprisal for an Israeli covert operation in Gaza that left 8 dead.
Also note that the rockets are not terrorism, they are war crimes, which is a big difference.
The rockets are war crimes because they can't be targeted only at military targets, as opposed to intentionally targeting civilians the way Israeli snipers do every Friday.
Terrorism is based on targeting civilians.

As war crimes they need to be investigated, as Israeli war actions like apartheid (which I know you support) and intentionally targeting civilian protesters.

 

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How would you know this for sure?? Because Hamas told you that??
You should try reading the news.
Mostly they are fringe groups, though that may be skewed by Hamas' retaliation to that Israeli covert operation inside of Gaza that happened during peace talks. I think Hamas did launch quite a few rockets though thankfully nobody was hurt in that round.
 

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basketcase

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I fully support you taking those to the ICC and laying charges where appropriate for war crimes....
But you won't actually criticize Hamas. This is pretty repetitive. Why are you so afraid of criticizing Hamas? Are you worried that admitting Hamas are a terrorist entity will suddenly make you Israeli?


p.s. I know you never read anything but those stats clearly show the protests you keep spamming graphics on aren't just peaceful meetings. Hundreds of hundreds of clear acts of violence at the protests but you pretend that instead of acting against those engaged in violence, Israel is intentionally gunning down random peaceful protesters. That's right out of Alex Jones territory.
 

basketcase

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Yes, for the most part they have.
The rockets fired are mostly not from Hamas, ...
You should try reading the news.
Mostly they are fringe groups, though that may be skewed by Hamas' retaliation to that Israeli covert operation inside of Gaza that happened during peace talks. I think Hamas did launch quite a few rockets though thankfully nobody was hurt in that round.
Maybe you should read the news.

1) You religiously avoid discussing that Hamas took credit for gunning down people at bus stops a few months ago.

2) Hamas says that not only were the three rockets fired at central Israel theirs but so were hundreds of other rockets you have justified as a reasonable response to a gun battle.

3) And keep on justifying Hamas attacks instead of actually criticizing them like those rights groups.
 

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p.s. I know you never read anything but those stats clearly show the protests you keep spamming graphics on aren't just peaceful meetings. Hundreds of hundreds of clear acts of violence at the protests but you pretend that instead of acting against those engaged in violence, Israel is intentionally gunning down random peaceful protesters. That's right out of Alex Jones territory.
The UN report states that the vast majority are not violent in any way and that those that are almost never pose any risks to the snipers hiding behind the concentration camp walls.
According to the Geneva Conventions, Israel is responsible for the population of Gaza, 70% of whom are refugees.

Blockade

15. Gaza is home to 2 million people – half of whom are children – living in a coastal strip 42 km long, with a population density that is one of the highest in the world. Their access to the outside world and to the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory is extremely limited owing to movement restrictions imposed by Israel since the early 1990s, increasing in the 2000s and maintained after Israel withdrew its settlements from Gaza in 2005. After Hamas3 won the Palestinian legislative elections in 2006, in June 2007 Israel declared Gaza “hostile territory” and imposed an air, land and sea blockade in a campaign of “economic warfare”.

16. By 2015, the Israeli blockade and restrictions on entry and exit of goods and people had halved the GDP of Gaza and reduced it to a humanitarian case of profound aid- dependency, with the world’s highest unemployment rate (54 per cent overall, with 70 per cent youth unemployment) and 68 per cent of the population rendered food insecure. The United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross have both found that the blockade constitutes collective punishment.

17. In 2017, the United Nations warned that Gaza would become “unliveable”, pointing to an ever-deepening water, electricity, health, education and food crisis resulting from the blockade.
What the UN report finds is that there is no justification for gunning down civilians protesting every Friday for a year.

Findings
93. The commission investigated all 189 fatalities and tracked more than 300 injuries caused by the Israeli security forces at the demonstration sites and during the demonstrations.

94. With the exception of one incident in North Gaza on 14 May that may have amounted to “direct participation in hostilities” and one incident in Central Gaza on 12 October that may have constituted an “imminent threat to life or serious injury” to the Israeli security forces, the commission found reasonable grounds to believe that, in all other cases, the use of live ammunition by Israeli security forces against demonstrators was unlawful.

95. Victims who were hundreds of metres away from the Israeli forces and visibly engaged in civilian activities were shot, as shown by eyewitness accounts, video footage and medical records. Journalists and medical personnel who were clearly marked as such were shot, as were children, women and persons with disabilities.

96. The Israeli security forces killed and maimed Palestinian demonstrators who did not pose an imminent threat of death or serious injury to others when they were shot, nor were they directly participating in hostilities. Less lethal alternatives remained available and substantial defences were in place, rendering the use of lethal force neither necessary nor proportionate, and therefore impermissible.

97. The commission therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that demonstrators were shot in violation of their right to life10 or of the principle of distinction under international humanitarian law.

98. The commission found that at least 29 of those killed at the demonstration sites were members of Palestinian organized armed groups. It is aware that the international legal community holds divergent views on whether organized armed group members may be targeted at any time, or only when directly participating in hostilities. In accordance with the law enforcement paradigm as informed by international human rights law and in the absence of arms and active hostilities, the commission concluded that, in this specific context, targeting individuals purely on the basis of their membership of an armed group and not on their conduct at the time was impermissible. The applicable tests remain whether an individual, at the time targeted, was directly participating in hostilities or posed an imminent threat to life. If not, targeting of such persons with lethal force was unlawful.

99. The shooting by Israeli security forces of Palestinian demonstrators with high-velocity weaponry at close range resulted in killings and long-term, life-changing injuries, including paralysis and amputations. Although this was well known as early as April 2018, Israeli forces continued this practice throughout the period under review. Using such weaponry at short range, and justifying it by the need for accuracy at long range, indicates a disproportionate use of force.

100. The right to life includes the right to a life with dignity. As the occupying Power, Israel has obligations under international law to ensure the health and welfare of the Palestinian population. The commission found that the ongoing blockade of Gaza and its impact on the health-care system in Gaza, and the ensuing deprivation of essential goods and services necessary for a dignified life, including basic medical supplies, safe drinking water, electricity and sanitation, constitute violations of the fundamental rights to life and health, in particular of wounded demonstrators.

101. International human rights law protects demonstrations under the freedoms of expression, of peaceful assembly and of association. While not all demonstrators were peaceful, the commission found reasonable grounds to believe that the excessive use of force by Israeli security forces violated the rights of the thousands who were.
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10 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, art. 6.

102. The Convention on the Rights of the Child protects children’s rights to life, peaceful assembly, expression and the highest attainable standard of health, among other rights. The commission found reasonable grounds to believe that Israel violated those rights when its forces used lethal force against children who did not pose an imminent threat of death or serious injury to others at the time they were shot.

103. Customary and conventional international humanitarian law requires that medical personnel be respected and protected. Similar protection is afforded to journalists and children who do not take part in hostilities. The commission found that the Israeli security forces shot paramedics, journalists and children who had not lost their protected status; Israel is thus in violation of international humanitarian law.

104. Some members of the higher national committee, including Hamas, encouraged or defended demonstrators’ use of incendiary kites and balloons, causing fear and significant damage in southern Israel. The de facto authorities in Gaza failed in their due diligence obligations to prevent and stop the use of these indiscriminate devices.

105. The commission found that, on 14 May, at least one gunman fired a weapon at the Israeli forces from within or near the demonstrations at a temporary demonstration site in North Gaza. Firing from the vicinity of a crowd of unarmed demonstrators endangers civilian lives and risks violating the principle of distinction under international humanitarian law.
https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/CoIOPT/A_HRC_40_74.pdf
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Hey Frankfooter, how many times were you banned under groggy/gryphin???
 

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basketcase

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The UN report states that the vast majority are not violent ...
And the vast majority don't get shot.

But that doesn't fit your racist conspiracy theories so you feel the need to pretend Israel intentionally targets innocents the way Hamas does.
 

Frankfooter

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And the vast majority don't get shot.
Are you justifying the shooting of 200 people and the injuring of 30,000 more because 'the vast majority didn't get shot'?
Are you just stating that Israel is capable of much more evil and that Palestinians should be thankful Israel hasn't gunned them all down?

You really are getting disgusting.
 

basketcase

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Are you justifying the shooting of 200 people ....
Yes, since Hamas refuses to arrest the people who threw the hundreds of molotovs, the dozens of explosives, and the handful of shooting attacks, shooting them is a reasonable option. Those not involved in violence generally don't get shot.

Throwing a firebomb at Toronto police will quite likely get you shot as well.


But amazing that you have NEVER critically commented on Hamas gunning down actual peaceful civilians if you are so concerned about people getting shot.
 

Frankfooter

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Yes, since Hamas ......
Israel gunned down 200 people and injured 30,000 more.
Yet to you, these people are so subhuman that you refuse to even acknowledge their deaths, instead all you do is try to demonize Palestinians by trying to associate all Palestinians as Hamas.

You make zailbetter look moderate.
You make phil mcnasty, with his blatant support of apartheid, look positively liberal.



Blockade

15. Gaza is home to 2 million people – half of whom are children – living in a coastal strip 42 km long, with a population density that is one of the highest in the world. Their access to the outside world and to the rest of the Occupied Palestinian Territory is extremely limited owing to movement restrictions imposed by Israel since the early 1990s, increasing in the 2000s and maintained after Israel withdrew its settlements from Gaza in 2005. After Hamas3 won the Palestinian legislative elections in 2006, in June 2007 Israel declared Gaza “hostile territory” and imposed an air, land and sea blockade in a campaign of “economic warfare”.

16. By 2015, the Israeli blockade and restrictions on entry and exit of goods and people had halved the GDP of Gaza and reduced it to a humanitarian case of profound aid- dependency, with the world’s highest unemployment rate (54 per cent overall, with 70 per cent youth unemployment) and 68 per cent of the population rendered food insecure. The United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross have both found that the blockade constitutes collective punishment.

17. In 2017, the United Nations warned that Gaza would become “unliveable”, pointing to an ever-deepening water, electricity, health, education and food crisis resulting from the blockade.
What the UN report finds is that there is no justification for gunning down civilians protesting every Friday for a year.

Findings
93. The commission investigated all 189 fatalities and tracked more than 300 injuries caused by the Israeli security forces at the demonstration sites and during the demonstrations.

94. With the exception of one incident in North Gaza on 14 May that may have amounted to “direct participation in hostilities” and one incident in Central Gaza on 12 October that may have constituted an “imminent threat to life or serious injury” to the Israeli security forces, the commission found reasonable grounds to believe that, in all other cases, the use of live ammunition by Israeli security forces against demonstrators was unlawful.

95. Victims who were hundreds of metres away from the Israeli forces and visibly engaged in civilian activities were shot, as shown by eyewitness accounts, video footage and medical records. Journalists and medical personnel who were clearly marked as such were shot, as were children, women and persons with disabilities.

96. The Israeli security forces killed and maimed Palestinian demonstrators who did not pose an imminent threat of death or serious injury to others when they were shot, nor were they directly participating in hostilities. Less lethal alternatives remained available and substantial defences were in place, rendering the use of lethal force neither necessary nor proportionate, and therefore impermissible.

97. The commission therefore found reasonable grounds to believe that demonstrators were shot in violation of their right to life10 or of the principle of distinction under international humanitarian law.

98. The commission found that at least 29 of those killed at the demonstration sites were members of Palestinian organized armed groups. It is aware that the international legal community holds divergent views on whether organized armed group members may be targeted at any time, or only when directly participating in hostilities. In accordance with the law enforcement paradigm as informed by international human rights law and in the absence of arms and active hostilities, the commission concluded that, in this specific context, targeting individuals purely on the basis of their membership of an armed group and not on their conduct at the time was impermissible. The applicable tests remain whether an individual, at the time targeted, was directly participating in hostilities or posed an imminent threat to life. If not, targeting of such persons with lethal force was unlawful.

99. The shooting by Israeli security forces of Palestinian demonstrators with high-velocity weaponry at close range resulted in killings and long-term, life-changing injuries, including paralysis and amputations. Although this was well known as early as April 2018, Israeli forces continued this practice throughout the period under review. Using such weaponry at short range, and justifying it by the need for accuracy at long range, indicates a disproportionate use of force.

100. The right to life includes the right to a life with dignity. As the occupying Power, Israel has obligations under international law to ensure the health and welfare of the Palestinian population. The commission found that the ongoing blockade of Gaza and its impact on the health-care system in Gaza, and the ensuing deprivation of essential goods and services necessary for a dignified life, including basic medical supplies, safe drinking water, electricity and sanitation, constitute violations of the fundamental rights to life and health, in particular of wounded demonstrators.

101. International human rights law protects demonstrations under the freedoms of expression, of peaceful assembly and of association. While not all demonstrators were peaceful, the commission found reasonable grounds to believe that the excessive use of force by Israeli security forces violated the rights of the thousands who were.
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10 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, art. 6.

102. The Convention on the Rights of the Child protects children’s rights to life, peaceful assembly, expression and the highest attainable standard of health, among other rights. The commission found reasonable grounds to believe that Israel violated those rights when its forces used lethal force against children who did not pose an imminent threat of death or serious injury to others at the time they were shot.

103. Customary and conventional international humanitarian law requires that medical personnel be respected and protected. Similar protection is afforded to journalists and children who do not take part in hostilities. The commission found that the Israeli security forces shot paramedics, journalists and children who had not lost their protected status; Israel is thus in violation of international humanitarian law.

104. Some members of the higher national committee, including Hamas, encouraged or defended demonstrators’ use of incendiary kites and balloons, causing fear and significant damage in southern Israel. The de facto authorities in Gaza failed in their due diligence obligations to prevent and stop the use of these indiscriminate devices.

105. The commission found that, on 14 May, at least one gunman fired a weapon at the Israeli forces from within or near the demonstrations at a temporary demonstration site in North Gaza. Firing from the vicinity of a crowd of unarmed demonstrators endangers civilian lives and risks violating the principle of distinction under international humanitarian law.
https://www.ohchr.org/Documents/HRBodies/HRCouncil/CoIOPT/A_HRC_40_74.pdf
 

basketcase

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Israel...
All you do is spam.

Even the organizers if the protests admit that they have included violence. Of course you are more concerned with the rights of people throwing firebombs but continually justify Hamas committing actual war crimes.
 
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