He was charged and given a ticket in florida, the florida authorities considered it a traffic offense at the time. And I did not ignore your statement. You missed part of it though . The DUI would ahve to be an felony arrest in the states misdemeaners are not considered to be a bar on entry to canada any more than a ticket for an illegal left turn is. There is a separate criminal DUI charge available in the state of florida that he was not charged with.
Rob Ford's character
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Ohfercrissakes. So the guy doesn't have a spotless past. Who the fuck cares? He's a human being, he's got failures and successes in his past just like the rest of us.
I don't live in Toronto and probably wouldn't vote for the guy anyway - his economic stance is reminiscent of Mike Harris, too far to the right for me - but I'd make that decision on his potential policies, not because he (like you, like me) has a past that isn't pristine white.
I don't live in Toronto and probably wouldn't vote for the guy anyway - his economic stance is reminiscent of Mike Harris, too far to the right for me - but I'd make that decision on his potential policies, not because he (like you, like me) has a past that isn't pristine white.
Hey as long as Ford did not kill anybody... and he cut wasteful spending and reduced tax .. Get rid of union and those scumbag lefties Miller's cronies. He will always have my vote. GO FORD GO. I know Ford is rich so he will not steal from the taxpayer and look after taxpayer money.
GO Ford Go
Get serious. You grasped what I actually said: that the police were called on a domestic abuse complaint, and that the councillor continued to drink—and have problems as a result—instead of stopping and curbing his bad behaviours.
If inferring that the guy who can't handle his booze and gets violent and abusive in public when drunk might do the same at home amounts to making unsubstantiated charges, so be it. Read that inference in if you want, and while you're at it, you may choose to excuse him because he wasn't drinking, or because he was, landscaper but the facts remain: Cops still were called. Rob still had a drinking problem.
He took way longer to face up to it than I'd want a civic leader to. And teetotal he may now be, his first impulse was still to deny the DUI in his past.
Now that has to be one of the most idiotic statements I've ever heard.
Like Dick Cheney never stole directly from the US, but instead set up businesses and friends to cash in for him.
The rich who get in power want to get richer, and generally may not steal directly from gov't, but they'll set up the rules to their benefits. They'll change tax laws, give breaks to the rich, give corporations big breaks and generally set up their friends and families.
Ford's only saving grace is that he may be too stupid to steal and get away with it.
Yes, it's true that most everyone has failures and successes in their past. But, really, if I understand the debate that's going on in this thread it's a question of how high do you set the bar for someone who could be mayor. PornAddict is happy as long as that person is not a murderer. For me that's way too low. I'm not saying that our mayor has to be a saint, but he/she should be relatively honest, capable and demonstrates good judgement. It's that last point that the DUI / failure to provide a sample / whatever goes to. In my view it shows remarkably poor judgement to drink to excess and then drive. It's selfish, and it indicates that one doesn't consider the consequences of their actions. Has he learned from his experience? Maybe. But the character indications from his action indicate that he might not be that good of a mayor.
Nope, that's not how immigration law works. Canada looks at the acts that you have admitted to, or been found guilty of, and then looks at how those same acts would have been treated in Canada. Since in Canada the act would have been an indictable offense you would be denied entry. It does not matter one bit whether the US considered it a speeding ticket, or a misdemeanor, or a felony. What matters is how the same act in Canada would have been viewed by a Canadian court.
There is no separate criminal charge in Florida for a DUI. The section he was charged under is the ONLY section. Under that section there are upgraded penalties if you injure someone or kill someone or for a variety of other factors--but it's all within the same section of law.
In any case I asked YOU what you think of it: What is your opinion of people who drink and drive?
You miss the point: It was a DUI charge. It's only by luck that he didn't kill anyone. He recklessly put everyone else on the road in danger through his drunken and irresponsible behavior. That he was stopped before he killed someone was lucky.
DUI are truly not that cumbersome in society.
Heck..even police officers convicted of IMPAIRED DRIVING AND/OR EXCESS AND/OR REFUSE...keep their jobs, and are back on the road after the suspension is done!
Heck..even police officers convicted of IMPAIRED DRIVING AND/OR EXCESS AND/OR REFUSE...keep their jobs, and are back on the road after the suspension is done!
ty..ty...tyvm.
Im jus saying that it is a flaw that is often overlooked in society!!!
I do enjoy your sense of humour just the same Fuji my man!
Im jus saying that it is a flaw that is often overlooked in society!!!
I do enjoy your sense of humour just the same Fuji my man!
Then why is it a Criminal Code offence in my country? If it's your country as well, what are you doing to have this outrageously oppressive law against something that is "…not that cumbersome in society" repealed?
You're quite entitled to personally excuse drunk drivers and even urge that we vote for them. But our laws say you're being far more generous than we're prepared to be.
As for trying to argue others into supporting a man who continued to have legal and social problems due to booze even after a conviction, you have to do more than just demand they excuse him too. Where's the evidence of taking responsibility for his own behaviour, let alone showing he can be responsible for a whole city?
So what it a DUI Charge.... He did not kill anybody and did not had a car accident. He made a small mistake on a freaking valentine dinner with a girlfriend had a couple of drink or two over the limit. Who care? It happened ten year ago when he wasn't even a councillor then. It's ancient history.
I guess you probably would rather vote for George Smitherman....Did you know he did not complete Grade 13 - no math skills. Is this why he ran the largest Provincial deficit in Canadian history as Deputy? Lack of adding skills?
Go Ford GO
I can't believe that's your attitude towards DUI. You need help. It's not a small mistake--he selfishly and recklessly put the lives of everyone on the road in danger. He didn't care about other people. He didn't care who he might kill. He irresponsibly got behind the wheel of a vehicle and made a menace out of himself.
It's pathetic and wrong and disgusting and it shouldn't take killing someone to know that--that sort of behavior should be harshly cracked down on BEFORE someone gets killed.
It shows a complete lack of moral fiber.
Can you stop preaching .... Everyone know DUI is wrong ...this is ancient history ... The point is I know Ford make a mistake 10 year ago. A lapse in judgement had 1 or 2 drink or over the limit during valentine dinner with his girlfriend . Got caught in the romatic moment of valentine day. You make sound like he is chronic drinker who drive while under influence... and that he is a repeat offender...even though you do not say it.
This is so ancient history it happen 10 year ago when he wasn't even a city councillor. Everyone is allow to make a mistake and learn from it. Yes he was lucky no one got harm while DUI. He got caught paid his fines and his dues to society. Yes I know he got lucky by not getting into any accident. What I care and most people care is that the person will not repeat drink and driving. So far he indicates by being responsible driver in Ontario and he is not a repeat offender for DUI.
Also as a Toronto Taxpayer to me what is important is to stop the reckless spending at city hall and reduce the taxes. So far Ford show that he is most fiscal responbile counciller in the history of Toronto. And that why he will have my vote as compare to the other leftwing scumbag(Example the Leftwing Miller cronies and Smitherman.) who do not give a damm about taxpayer money.
Personally I never drink and drive and don't fucking preach to me that I need help due to my DUI attitude. I think you really need some professional help if you do not see how some people who made mistake in their life and learned from it and moved on. Which I see Ford is that he show lots of responbile behaviour... by mean of helping by donating time and money to HighSchool football and no more DUI offence
Ford is not a perfect person but he got my respect and vote based on his current action as a city councillor as compare to the other scumbag councillor who spend my taxpayer money on French lessons, thousands of dollars on retirement party, free buffet lunches at cityhall, etc. To me and most people who will vote for Ford is when Ford action's are being fiscally responsbile for the taxpayer money this proves to me that he can be responsible for a whole city of Toronto.
You preach to us that you want a Mayor with higher standard... I ask you this all the Mayor with Higher standard like Miller and his cronies plus smitherman got the city and ontario into deep finiancial shit.
I am tired the double talk of polticans, and their spinmaster who twisted and spin everything into their favour.
I am picking or voting for an average Joe blow which Ford represented and who care about the taxpayer money.
Go FORD GO ... all you leftwing scumbag Go to Hell... Your free lunch and gravy train will come to the end when Ford get elected on Oct. as the new Mayor of Toronto.
GO FORD GO....I HOPE he become like MAYOR HAZEL GET RELECTED every 4 YEAR ON EVERY ELECTION.
Except you. You're apparently trying to justify it:
How do YOU know that it was only 1 or 2 drinks over the limit? How do YOU know that he isn't a chronic drinker who drives while under the influence? Huh? Certainly no-one should believe what Ford has to say on the subject as he's been caught telling blatant lies TWICE on this topic. Not much is going to stop him from lying a third or fourth or fifth time.
There is every reason to believe he's a chronic drinker as he's had several well publicized run-ins with people while he was drunk in public. While telling someone that they should take their wife to Iran to be raped and killed isn't criminal, it certainly isn't respectable behavior, and Ford himself attributed it to his out of control drinking.
If he was only 1 or 2 over the limit honestly odds are he would not have been arrested. He was doing something that caught the law's attention--probably driving erratically and smelling like a distillery.
You trying to justify DUI is really pretty pathetic. It's not a small issue. It goes straight to his character and demonstrates that he simply DOES NOT give a flying fuck about the well being of others, that for his own benefit he's willing to risk other people's lives recklessly.
That's no small thing, and it speaks DIRECTLY to character, a crime of moral turpitude that he worsened this month by blatantly lying about it. Plainly he's not sorry.
Who fucking care!! If Ford did not care flying fuck about the well being of others Ford would be like David Miller and cronies by spending our tax on personal stuff like the other leftwing cronies ...free buffet, language lesson, huge office expense, etc..
If Ford was a chronic repeat offender he would still be drinking and driving. But he is not ... there is no record or any offense in Toronto for drinking and driving. You can not make assumption like that assuming he a chronic drinker and driver.. You are innocent until proven guilty. A one time ancient history offence of DUI which he paid his fine and his penalty to society.
So what he lied about drinking offense... it did not cost the taxpayer any money. Where as the other lying scum politican who lies to the taxpayer and cost me money.
DUI AND Being drunk at a hockey ... is ancient HIstory as compare to fucking lying scum McGuinty(example HST is revenue neutral, etc..) Lying David Miller & Cronies ( raising property taxes faster than inflation when he said he wouldn't, etc..
Under David Miller regime:
Young families are being taxed into poverty and don't have a chance at anything OTHER then the squalid liberal engineered ghettos of public housing.
He has given city council multiple raises UNHEARD of during the best of times....
Were presently just crawling out of a economic crisis and still his councillors/lackeys enjoy multiple yearly raises,
Miller and buddies blow cash protecting cushy union jobs or splashing out on items and pet projects (culture, the arts, "street life" etc) that aren't essential to your mission as a municipal government.
The middle class slowly dissintegrating in part due to ignorant politicians. We work harder and the City protect the lazy. Amazing. I'd to personally thank the mayor for making it harder for me in the following ways: - paying $60 more when i register my car plates - paying $200+ more for my garbage bin each year - increasing the cost of water 9 percent this year (with no explanation) - increasing my property taxes - again And sticking me and other tax payers with a $160 million bill for City employee sick days cash out.
Mr. Miller no thank you for the St. Clair right of way which has killed many businesses on St. Clair. No thank you for the license registration tax. No thank you for the land transfer tax. No thank you for the 5 cent bag fiasco. No thank you for raising property taxes faster than inflation when you said you wouldn't. No thank you to you're union buddies who've been stealing from my pockets ever since you've been in office. Good riddance to you and don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Drug Addict George Smitherman 1 billion dollar ehealth ficaso under his regime which he is responsible of wasting. $1,000,000,000 fucking waste on spending with nothing to show for!!! Where is the accountablity for $1,000,000,000.
So how Much Rob Ford causes the Taxpayer of Toronto with his 1 time DUI in Florida? The result he learned from his mistake and he funded High School football. Cost to Toronto Taxpayer = $0
So what he got drunk at a hockey game....and he apology for it. Cost to Toronto Taxpayer= $0
This is what is important to the Taxpayer of Toronto not something happen 10 year ago...ancient History!!!
GO FORD GO
Fuck you to the Leftwing nuts Miller Cronies!!! Who spend taxpayer money like drunken sailor? With Ford I know he will be fisco responsble for Toronto... You prefer this city be like the country Greece which is totally bankrupt?
What I care is the future and Ford represent the best hope for Toronto as compare to the other lying scumbags with no conscious on fiscal spending..who is running for Mayor of Toronto plus other leftwing councillor who loved david Miller.
GO FORD GO
I cannot wait until Ford get elected...the shock on your face when Ford win the Mayor race...it is going so priceless!! Wish someone would have a camera and take a picture of your facial reaction and posted on terb.
GO Ford GO!!!
But you've got your targets wrong.
Yes the middle class is disintegrating, its part of the widening gap between rich and poor here and in the States.
But the reason that's happened is because of right wing policies, not left wing.
Bush's and Reagan's tax cuts for the rich, combined with lessening of social services which primarily benefit the poor and middle class have just cut down the middle class. Anti-union rulings have cut the middle class as well. The government employees who you want paid less are middle class.
Those same tax cuts for the rich and for corporatians have forced governments all over north america to squeeze the lower levels. So the feds squeezed Ontario through transfers to provinces and offloading then Harris's gang squeezed Toronto through offloading and as a result Toronto has to add fees to services that the middle and lower classes used to get for free.
Your blaming the wrong people altogether.
Sounds like you are falling for crap that faux news and its very rich owners are propagating.
Sucker.
Besides admitting that Ford has lied to us more than once, this entire post is about money, not character. Paragraph by paragraph, the only thing bad you have to say about the current administration—which you equate entirely w/ Miller alone—is they cost money. The only good thing you have to say about Rob is: He won't.
Question is, given his demonstrated character, why would you believe him? Supplementary: Do you imagine we get city life for free?
Actually the questions why would you believe him as opposed to all the other candidates?
He has actually promoted his platform and ideas, the rest of the crowd have done nothing. Realistically would Rob Ford be in this position in a mayoral race given his history if ANY ONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATED HAD A REAL PLATFORM.
The balance of the group have spent their time trying to prove haw bad Ford is and why he should not be Mayor. None of them have come up with a reason why they should be Mayor. The only platform out there is Sarah Thomson, she has put her platform out there and for the msot part the voters found in wanting. Rocco Rossi, interesting could have been a contender for a council seat, needs to get past teh " backroom" liberal status and get his name out there for a while. Pantalone.... Miller extra light stick a fork in him. Smitherman, well known as a politician with a bad temper who does not take responsibility for anything bad. Apparantly lies as well .
This race is being fought on a suburbs vs downtown constituancy. The people in Etobicoke, North York Scarborough etc have apparantly had enough of the "downtown intelligencia" telling everybody how to live their lives. Given the tax increases, service issues and garbage strike that did nothing but give 416 a bigger raise, a lot of people have decided that enough is enough and are voting for a policy that resonates with them. Will it work? don't know, but given that at least 10 current councilors are bailing and a number of others could very well lose their seats he might actually be in a postion to move on some of these things.
He has actually promoted his platform and ideas, the rest of the crowd have done nothing. Realistically would Rob Ford be in this position in a mayoral race given his history if ANY ONE OF THE OTHER CANDIDATED HAD A REAL PLATFORM.
The balance of the group have spent their time trying to prove haw bad Ford is and why he should not be Mayor. None of them have come up with a reason why they should be Mayor. The only platform out there is Sarah Thomson, she has put her platform out there and for the msot part the voters found in wanting. Rocco Rossi, interesting could have been a contender for a council seat, needs to get past teh " backroom" liberal status and get his name out there for a while. Pantalone.... Miller extra light stick a fork in him. Smitherman, well known as a politician with a bad temper who does not take responsibility for anything bad. Apparantly lies as well .
This race is being fought on a suburbs vs downtown constituancy. The people in Etobicoke, North York Scarborough etc have apparantly had enough of the "downtown intelligencia" telling everybody how to live their lives. Given the tax increases, service issues and garbage strike that did nothing but give 416 a bigger raise, a lot of people have decided that enough is enough and are voting for a policy that resonates with them. Will it work? don't know, but given that at least 10 current councilors are bailing and a number of others could very well lose their seats he might actually be in a postion to move on some of these things.
