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Richard Dawkins on why science is better than myth

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Intelligent design is a replacement myth that became necessary when the old and new testament authors lacked sufficient scientific skills to craft a believable story about creation. See that is why they should have taken science not just theology.
 

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but if there is a god or intelligent design of some kind , that probably would have an impact on the way things are, evolution, nature and........ready for it?...science.
Any particular aspects of science or wonders of nature you can point
to as probable manifestation of intelligent design?
 

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but if there is a god or intelligent design of some kind , that probably would have an impact on the way things are, evolution, nature and........ready for it?...science.
If a higher power created the universe then they created the laws of physics (etc.). Since those laws were created, it becomes irrelevant why they are there. Science studies them as they are. If some divine being wants to change things in the future, then we would have a new system to scientifically study. Whatever happens, nothing changes the scientific process whether it's applied to god's creation or to the randomness of events.
 

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Intelligent design is a replacement myth that became necessary when the old and new testament authors lacked sufficient scientific skills to craft a believable story about creation. See that is why they should have taken science not just theology.
Intelligent design is far less than that. Intelligent design is a cynical, bordering on fraudulent, political attempt to import the old creation myth into science classes where it does not belong. It is not a stand along myth and offers nothing of value to either science or mathematics.
 

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Any particular aspects of science or wonders of nature you can point
to as probable manifestation of intelligent design?
The only one that holds my attention at the moment is the fine tuned universe question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_Universe

I don't know if it will hold any water in the long run, but it has my attention at the moment.

All that irreducible complexity stuff is just shit if you ask me.
 

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If a higher power created the universe then they created the laws of physics (etc.). Since those laws were created, it becomes irrelevant why they are there. Science studies them as they are. If some divine being wants to change things in the future, then we would have a new system to scientifically study. Whatever happens, nothing changes the scientific process whether it's applied to god's creation or to the randomness of events.
So, maybe we are just some Grand Dude's experiment/hobby???
Just wondering.


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So, maybe we are just some Grand Dude's experiment/hobby???
Just wondering............................
It is an experiment/hobby only if the Grand Dude takes the time to suspend or change
the physical laws governing his universe once in awhile and in a way that affect our lives.
 

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Does any body know

If god is a hobbyist does he or she have a terb handle.
Who says the god/grand dude is either one, or both !!!!


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So, maybe we are just some Grand Dude's experiment/hobby???
Just wondering.


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Could be that the grand dude was an impulsive kid, got our universe as a new toy, played with us for a few days (six if you believe the bible) and then left us forgotten in his basement.

Doesn't make any difference as far as science is concerned.
 

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Could be right

Could be that the grand dude was an impulsive kid, got our universe as a new toy, played with us for a few days (six if you believe the bible) and then left us forgotten in his basement.

Doesn't make any difference as far as science is concerned.
Your 1st sentence sure would explain a lot of shit that happens in the world, no one or "thing" to look after us, just let babies starve to death etc etc.
2nd sentence, sounds logical.

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It is an experiment/hobby only if the Grand Dude takes the time to suspend or change
the physical laws governing his universe once in awhile and in a way that affect our lives.
it could be an experiment that has not yet run its course
 

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it could be an experiment that has not yet run its course
rld .... How unreligious of you !!!!

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rld .... How unreligious of you !!!!

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Despite impressions to the contrary, I am not a member of any organized religion, and if you ask me if there is a god or life after death, my answer is "I don't know...but I sure hope so."
 

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Question

Despite impressions to the contrary, I am not a member of any organized religion, and if you ask me if there is a god or life after death, my answer is "I don't know...but I sure hope so."

Hey rld, I can understand the "after life", but, and without getting into a pissing contest, why would anybody hope there is a god/thing, if there is, "it" is a real bastard.

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Despite impressions to the contrary, I am not a member of any organized religion, and if you ask me if there is a god or life after death, my answer is "I don't know...but I sure hope so."
Without knowing what an afterlife might entail, I might be happier just becoming a part of the food chain.
 

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The prospect of eternal afterlife isn't as enticing to me as it is to the pious.
One concern I have is how I am going to keep my affairs with my stable of mistresses
and sugar babes clandestine. One of the women I've been seeing is an ex-MPA
providing me fantastic private sessions behind her husband's back. He surely would
want to kill me if all secrets are going to be exposed in the afterlife. I think either
I have to find a way to cover up my past or I will have to wear a mask for the eternity.
 
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