Rich Sauce for Pasta

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Italian food isn't good. It's 90% carbs and a bit of meat and tomato sauce and cheese.
What did Italians eat before the Spaniards introduced Europeans to the tomato via South America.as they behave like they invented the tomato?
 

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What did Italians eat before the Spaniards introduced Europeans to the tomato via South America.as they behave like they invented the tomato?
Chicoria sangwiches.
 

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Some excellent suggestions, maybe I missed the following:

Make your own mince meat, a big difference, less expensive, and you can experiment with the type of meat.

Kalamata olives, Capers and thai peppers.
 

jalimon

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Italian food isn't good. It's 90% carbs and a bit of meat and tomato sauce and cheese.
Just like Mexican food do not mix Italian food with American Italian food.

A typical italian meal will always start with veggies or salad. and fruits are pretty much present at every meal and often between meals.
 
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Just like Mexican food do not mix Italian food with American Italian food.

A typical italian meal will always start with veggies or salad. and fruits are pretty much present at every meal and often between meals.
Seem to recall that originally “pasta” was not Italian.
 

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This dude annoys the hell out of me but I really enjoy his food. Recipes are easy to follow and are easily do-able at home.

 

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Seem to recall that originally “pasta” was not Italian.
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Thanks Miss Croft: Like most information, it’s history and associated accuracy is questionable and is often slanted.

The following is also directly from your reference article .

“Many may not know that dried pasta, today a quintessentially Italian thing, was brought to the country, specifically to Sicily, by the Arabs, who appreciated the fact it was easy to carry and preserve, hence perfect for long sea trips and sieges.”

Here is another thread with a different slant

Just happy pasta is around.
 

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A good stock helps, local butcher should have good chicken stock if needed. Also fresh herbs are aromatics(parsley, bay leafs, thyme and rosemary are nice also) and garlic a whole head of it halved skin on(fish out later). And carmalize the veg before stewing the veg and sauce together. Time is your friend you can add srock as needed to add liquid id it gets to thick but low and slow is best. Freezes well too. Fresh parm or grano padano and parsley if you want as garnish and your set. I predfer pasta that allows that sauce to stick or hide in the noodles. Rigatonni is my go to. Enjoy!
Also tomatoes are key as mentioned previously get italian tomatoes(canned or not) tomato paste adds depth also. If adding ground meat I prefer pork and beef instead of beef only sauces. Pork adds fat and flavour beef is rich and the mix is nice(1 part pork 2 parts beef/veal). And even vetter is veal vs beef. Enjoy. If adding mear brown the meat first! Then draina nd empty the meat(save a tsp or so of fst to add back) and then deglaze the pan and brown the veg in the fond of the meat......im making a bolongese n
Soon just thinking about it makes me hungry.

If meatless sauces and you want rich, think mushrooms or morrels or truffels.

Pls let us know how it turns out
It depends a lot on what you mean by "a rich sauce" OP, but if you are doing bolognese you would do well to listen to Redshirt.
Mushrooms are the way to go if you mean "umami flavour" here.

Also, listen to him about rigatoni if you are making a sauce that has lots of "stuff" in it. Getting the sauce caught in the pasta like that is great.
 

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What did Italians eat before the Spaniards introduced Europeans to the tomato via South America.as they behave like they invented the tomato?
Italian food isn't dominated by tomatoes.
That's just a part and mostly regional.
 

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You can also go very simple and use Hazan's recipe.

1 can peeled plum tomatoes (You can use fresh tomatoes but it isn't really necessary.)
half a stick (or a bit more) of butter (you should slice it up some)
an onion (or some shallots). Slice it in half or quarters. Don't go smaller than that.

Put everything in a pot. Break up the tomatoes.
If the butter isn't salted, add some salt to taste.

Cook over medium heat until it bubbles, then lower the heat and let it simmer.
Let the liquid reduce down to basically nothing. (~45 minutes, but other than stepping in and stirring it every 10 minutes or so, you don't have to do anything.)

Lovely base for anything else you want to do with a basic red sauce.
 

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Also pasta water is your friend. Friendly amt of salt in the water and save a 1/2-1 cup of pasta water after cooking the pasta(al dente) the pasta water can help elevate your sauce. Especiaply if you freeze homemade sauce and reheat, the extra pasta water(not too much) will help the sauce alot(in texture/viscosity and also allows the sauce to stick to pasta better)
 
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