Republican Civil War....

[fuji]

However, that certainly doesn't support your statement

as a matter of fact it has nothing to do with it.

Are you willfully blind? It demonstrates that if an attacker is denied the use of a rifle and chooses a knife instead then the victims chance of survival increases three fold.

It's absolutely ridiculous that you say this doesn't support the claim that "they will find another way" fails--the other ways are empirically proven to be less effective, at least in the case of domestic disputes.

Proven less effective. Three times less effective, in fact.

 

[fuji]

It seems fairly plain to me from what has been provided that the numbers in question are quite small.

The number of homicides in Canada in general is quite small, thanks in part to our superior gun control policy.

You continue to ignore the point that homicides are only a small fraction of the total crime: For every woman who is killed with a firearm there must be dozens more who were threatened with one, incidents that did not end in death, perhaps not even in injury. Or are you disputing that pointing a gun at someone and threatening them is a crime?

At any rate the claim's that women are the primary victims of long gun crime has been pretty well supported at this point.

 

[Aardvark154]

Proven less effective. Three times less effective, in fact.

Which if correct, and there is reason to doubt that statistic, still doesn't change the fact that when firearms are unavailable "another way" is indeed found knives are used and people are killed.

 

[Aardvark154]

At any rate the claim's that women are the primary victims of long gun crime has been pretty well supported at this point.

It has? I haven't seen any figures to prove it.


Further, where are these crimes being committed in places were long guns are an esential part of life or off of University Avenue?

For every woman who is killed with a firearm there must be dozens more who were threatened with one.

Likely there are. However for the umpteenth time. Without any links to statistics this is but opinion on your part.

 

[danmand]

Which if correct, and there is reason to doubt that statistic, still doesn't change the fact that when firearms are unavailable "another way" is indeed found knives are used and people are killed.

OK, here is another statistics for you, 14 out of the last 16 policemen killed in Canada were shot using long guns.

Do you think that could have influenced the police chiefs to support the registration?

 

[papasmerf]

OK, here is another statistics for you, 14 out of the last 16 policemen killed in Canada were shot using long guns.

Do you think that could have influenced the police chiefs to support the registration?

Copying down a serial number will not id a gun

Unless every time one is fired you collect every gun with in 100 miles to compare them to a recovered slug.

 

[fuji]

That's why the registry should be updated in the future to include a sample round for ballistic analysis.

I also think it should be a requirement that all guns have an RFID permanently affixed to them in a way that is difficult to remove, one that can be detected by a reader in a police car from a distance of around 10m or so. I think that sort of technology is possible now. May be some technical challenges achieving that kind of distance given the gun is metal but it's worth looking into.

Old guns would have to have it fastened on somehow while new ones could be manufactured with the RFID as an integral component.

 

[fuji]

It has? I haven't seen any figures to prove it.

Long guns are the weapon of choice in domestic disputes. Women are overwhelmingly the victims in domestic disputes. You've seen those figures already.

Further, where are these crimes being committed in places were long guns are an esential part of life or off of University Avenue?

Domestic disputes happen all over Canada. I understand that the Prairie provinces have the highest rate of long gun crime, primarily relating to domestic disputes there. Presumably that's a direct consequence of there being a higher rate of long gun ownership in those places.

Are you SERIOUSLY going to assert that homicides are the majority of long gun crimes? That there are not dozens of people threatened with a gun for every case where the trigger was pulled? Seriously? If you keep pressing that point I think you are debating for the point of debating, and not really interested in reasoned discussion.

It is reasonable to believe that for every long gun homicide there are dozens if not hundreds of additional cases that did not lead to homicide, may not even have led to injury. It is unreasonable to dispute that.

 

[papasmerf]

That's why the registry should be updated in the future to include a sample round for ballistic analysis.

I also think it should be a requirement that all guns have an RFID permanently affixed to them in a way that is difficult to remove, one that can be detected by a reader in a police car from a distance of around 10m or so. I think that sort of technology is possible now. May be some technical challenges achieving that kind of distance given the gun is metal but it's worth looking into.

Old guns would have to have it fastened on somehow while new ones could be manufactured with the RFID as an integral component.

you must know some one with a gun who does not like you to be that paranoid.

Understand this CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW.

 

[Aardvark154]

OK, here is another statistic for you, 14 out of the last 16 policemen killed in Canada were shot using long guns.

Now that is a more meaningful statistic. However: a) how does a long gun registry realistically play into that at all? b) over how many years did the 16 murders occur? c) How many of these were multiple shootings? The Rochfort Bridge, Alberta Murders are four of the 14.

 

[fuji]

you must know some one with a gun who does not like you to be that paranoid.

Understand this CRIMINALS DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW.

That's why it's important to choke off the supply of illegal guns.

 

[fuji]

Now that is a more meaningful statistic. However: a) how does a long gun registry realistically play into that at all? b) over how many years did the 16 murders occur? c) How many of these were multiple shootings? The Rochfort Bridge, Alberta Murders are four of the 14.

In the last multiple shooting of police in Alberta the gun was borrowed and the police traced it back to the original owner who, I believe, faced manslaughter charges for handing the guns over to someone with a criminal record who was not entitled to carry guns.

It took 40 police officers and $2 million to trace the gun back, subtract that from the cost of the registry.

 

[papasmerf]

That's why it's important to choke off the supply of illegal guns.

You keep on thinking this will stop crime.

 

[fuji]

You keep on thinking this will stop crime.

Yup.

 

[papasmerf]

Yup.

good luck with that

 

[fuji]

good luck with that

Yup.

 

[Scarey]

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[fuji]

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[WoodPeckr]

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