Rep. Tom Tancredo like our Truncy says, PANCAKE EM !

[happygrump]

We subdued them completely in that war.

Germany's big mistake (like Napoleon) was to try & subjugate Russia. The Eastern front bled the German army of manpower & resources, and forced them to fight on two fronts after June 6/44. So, yes, we completely subdued them, but that had little to do with bombing and demoralizing civilians.

It's to be noted that they didn't actually give up until they were nuked. There's more to subjugating people than destroying industrial wherewithal.

Well, there's a "yes" and "no" answer here. The Japanese people, like their army, was ready to fight to the death on the Japanese mainland, but their armed forces were spent. And remember that both the military and civilian population looked to the Emperor for guidance as a living god. If Hirohito had not acquiesced and accepted surrender, the fight would have dragged on.

Besides, dropping the nukes had more to do with ratting Russia's cage than it did with defeating Japan.

That would be because they didn't do it thoroughly enough to destroy their will to make war.

Well, you may be right on this one, but I can't say for certain. All I can say is that it didn't work given the circumstances of the time. But in every other case, the will to make war was not lessened by bombing, it only created more rage and reason to keep on fighting.

 

[onthebottom]

We can always invade Canada and take their oil and timber....invade South America for cheap labor.
As long as we have fuel for the military.
Interestingly enough the Army is testing prototype weapons running on hydrogen...which brings me to the next point...doesn't Canada has the largest freshwater resource in the world?
I guess that would be number three on the list of reasons to invade Canada...anyone here see Canadian Bacon?

Add gold and diamond mines..hmmm let me call Rove on this

Not a bad plan but you've missed one important consideration, the place is full of socialist Canadians On balance I think it would cost more than it's worth.

OTB

 

[langeweile]

Not a bad plan but you've missed one important consideration, the place is full of socialist Canadians On balance I think it would cost more than it's worth.

OTB

Maybe we should just lump some of the Northeast liberal states, together with Quebec and the maritimes.
We called it the United Socialist Country of America or USCA for short. That way all the once in favor of socialism can move there.

Just imagine the amount of tax $$ we can save.

 

[WoodPeckr]

JESUSLAND is the correct name

Maybe we should just lump some of the Northeast liberal states, together with Quebec and the maritimes.
We called it the United Socialist Country of America or USCA for short. That way all the once in favor of socialism can move there.

Just imagine the amount of tax $$ we can save.

This has come up before.

Jesusland is the name Team 'W's religious Roundheads will give the new RR Fundamentalist Promised Land....and of course those oilsands are included....

Here's the map:

http://www.answers.com/topic/jesusland-map

 

[TOVisitor]

Another take on the red-blue state divide.

Dear Red States

We're ticked off at the way you've treated California, and we've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home.

We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.

Sincerely,
Author Unknown in New California.

 

[langeweile]

This has come up before.

Jesusland is the name Team 'W's religious Roundheads will give the new RR Fundamentalist Promised Land....and of course those oilsands are included....

Here's the map:

http://www.answers.com/topic/jesusland-map

Looks like a very logical map to me...

 

[Truncador]

Dear Red States

We're ticked off at the way you've treated California, and we've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home.

We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.

Sincerely,
Author Unknown in New California.

It's a shame that the patriotic groups in America are too uptight about some things to study Mao's Cultural Revolution and come up with a version suitable to contemporary American conditions.

 

[irlandais9000]

Maybe we should just lump some of the Northeast liberal states, together with Quebec and the maritimes.
We called it the United Socialist Country of America or USCA for short. That way all the once in favor of socialism can move there.

Just imagine the amount of tax $$ we can save.

Absolutely right, Lang. Think of all the Treasury dollars that wouldn't be transferred over to Bush's contributors and friends. It would save a lot of tax dollars for the Northeast. Although I do have to wonder why you think the Northeast is in favor of socialism....the heart of capitalism in this country is in Manhatten.

 

[irlandais9000]

It's a shame that the patriotic groups in America are too uptight about some things to study Mao's Cultural Revolution and come up with a version suitable to contemporary American conditions.

Which part of the Cultural Revolution do you feel could be used and adapted to contemporary American condtions? The mass murder, torture, concentration camps, brainwashing, or the "reeducation" facilities?

 

[onthebottom]

Dear Red States

We're ticked off at the way you've treated California, and we've decided we're leaving. We intend to form our own country, and we're taking the other Blue States with us.

In case you aren't aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon, Washington, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New California.

To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.

We get the Statue of Liberty. You get OpryLand. We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom. We get Harvard. You get Ole' Miss.

We get 85 percent of America's venture capital and entrepreneurs. You get Alabama. We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red states pay their fair share.

Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the Christian Coalition's, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a bunch of single moms.

Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and anti-war, and we're going to want all our citizens back from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your evangelicals. They have kids they're apparently willing to send to their deaths for no purpose, and they don't care if you don't show pictures of their children's caskets coming home.

We do wish you success in Iraq, and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we're not willing to spend our resources in Bush's Quagmire.

With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80 percent of the country's fresh water, more than 90 percent of the pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation's fresh fruit, 95 percent of America's quality wines (you can serve French wines at state dinners) 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high tech industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods, sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.

With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with 88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh, Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.

We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.

Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred unless we're discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you are people with higher morals then we lefties.

By the way, we're taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt weed they grow in Mexico.

Sincerely,
Author Unknown in New California.

Couldn't we just kick out the high crime counties that tend to be blue - we can keep the red counties in the blue states that provide all those wonderful qualities.

A suggested map: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/countymapredbluelarge.png

And what makes me think this is too much original content for Mr. Copy / Paste to have come up with on his own, I'm sure there is an un-attributed brain behind this masterpiece somewhere.

OTB

 

[Truncador]

I'm sure there is an un-attributed brain behind this masterpiece somewhere.

OTB

It's been circulating on the Net since last November. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the unattributed brain is somebody on Karl Rove's staff. Four more terms !

 

[Peeping Tom]

The two tactics are intended for completely different circumstances. Boiling in oil is a spectacular punishment, reserved for the most heinous of scoundrels and as such it should be used sparingly in order to preserve its effect. Pancaking is a sound military strategy especially for those backwards cultures based on honors values and the kinship group.

Note the difference: Spectacular punishment is for citizens of the State which administers the punishment. Pancaking is for those citizens of a State under punishment.

Pancake Em, is definitely better than PT's boiling em in oil........

 

[Peeping Tom]

Germany's mistake was declaring war against England and especially America. Their beef with Russia was irrelevant. Germany was well pancaked and it wouldn't have mattered beyond a few weeks of battle time even if the entire German army was available for more pancaking. The basic fact was that a pancaked Germany wasn't able to do fuck all in resisting one or more invasions.

Germany's big mistake (like Napoleon) was to try & subjugate Russia. The Eastern front bled the German army of manpower & resources, and forced them to fight on two fronts after June 6/44. So, yes, we completely subdued them, but that had little to do with bombing and demoralizing civilians.

The important this you said was that their forces were spent. The reason: Superior American firepower smashed anything in its path and no replacement production was available due to effective pancaking. Nuclear pancaking was what convinced the Emperor to call it quits - no more, no less - those were the facts on the ground.

Well, there's a "yes" and "no" answer here. The Japanese people, like their army, was ready to fight to the death on the Japanese mainland, but their armed forces were spent. And remember that both the military and civilian population looked to the Emperor for guidance as a living god. If Hirohito had not acquiesced and accepted surrender, the fight would have dragged on.

That is erroneous, as it had everything to do with, and did, defeat Japan.

Besides, dropping the nukes had more to do with ratting Russia's cage than it did with defeating Japan.

Rage != the ability to keep on fighting. That is the most important lesson to learn from the theory of pancaking. Besides, one didn't see much rage in postwar Germany or Japan - the second most important lesson from the theory of pancaking.

Well, you may be right on this one, but I can't say for certain. All I can say is that it didn't work given the circumstances of the time. But in every other case, the will to make war was not lessened by bombing, it only created more rage and reason to keep on fighting.

 

[Asterix]

Germany's mistake was declaring war against England and especially America. Their beef with Russia was irrelevant.

Irrelevant? Besides being key to Hitler's plan for expanding German living space to the east, it was far and away his biggest mistake. The Nazi's lost much more in material and manpower in fighting Russia than in all it's other battles combined. Had they remained at peace with each other the Germans would have had many more resources to bring against the West, and we would have had a very hard time beating them with conventional forces, pancaking and all. Which brings up a question. Was America more accepting of using nuclear weapons against the Japanese because we viewed them as less human than ourselves, or as those at the time (and recently truncy) put it, the yellow peril? Would the US have ever used nuclear weapons against Germany in order to win the war in Europe?

 

[Truncador]

Was America more accepting of using nuclear weapons against the Japanese because we viewed them as less human than ourselves, or as those at the time (and recently truncy) put it, the yellow peril? Would the US have ever used nuclear weapons against Germany in order to win the war in Europe?

Without a doubt.

 

[Asterix]

Without a doubt.

Sorry, your opinion on this doesn't count. You'd bomb, or in this case nuke, anybody at the drop of a hat. If the Russians had not been involved in the war and the safety of England secured by US help, I think the US would have given serious pause before nuking Germany in order to free Europe. With the Russians involved they might have considered it as a warning to Stalin, if D-Day had gone badly and the Russians were making more progress in gaining control of Europe beyond Germany. Regardless, the path for that would still have been a nuclear attack against Japan first, as a demonstration to both Germany and Russia. The point, as internment showed, is that it was more convenient along racial lines, to make an example out of Japan.

 

[Peeping Tom]

When will you neo-Nazis ever learn? It wasn't a matter if only Hitler did this instead of that, or glossing over some small mistakes. Germany was toast the day it decided to bomb England and guaranteed a pancaking the day it declared war on the US. For all their bluster, Germany's hodgepodge of dual purpose craft wasn't able to pancake England (admittedly, Coventry was brilliant), worse, they abandoned the effort after pissing off the Brits, doubly worse when the Brits started to bomb Germany, worse to the tenth order when America began to pancake Germany, without opposition. The spatial location of the German army didn't matter, since the enemy was, without molestation, able to pancake German industry and mass slaughter her citizens at will. That was what counted.

Had they remained at peace with each other the Germans would have had many more resources to bring against the West, and we would have had a very hard time beating them with conventional forces, pancaking and all.

Germany was long done by the day the bomb was ready. Since Germany was considered the more dangerous enemy, there would have been no doubt about the target of the first two bombs. You are hung up on your own question because of your racialist internalizations - recall that Germany suffered far more devastation than Japan; and that the Allied tactic of heavy bombing follwed by incindiary was demonstrated to have far more destructive power, against both Germany and Japan, that the atom bomb in itself was a more humane weapon and a more rational choice on the battlefield. Its development was inevitable and its use doubly so - its first victims were a temporal affair rather than a strategic one.

Was America more accepting of using nuclear weapons against the Japanese because we viewed them as less human than ourselves, or as those at the time (and recently truncy) put it, the yellow peril? Would the US have ever used nuclear weapons against Germany in order to win the war in Europe?

 

[Truncador]

You'd bomb, or in this case nuke, anybody at the drop of a hat.

False. I am not Bill Clinton. I'm not in favour of the State bombing anybody who doesn't have it coming to them.

 

[Peeping Tom]

All of the below should be considered, adapted and implemented in ridding America of the left.

Which part of the Cultural Revolution do you feel could be used and adapted to contemporary American condtions? The mass murder, torture, concentration camps, brainwashing, or the "reeducation" facilities?

 

[Peeping Tom]

How about instead we cut a deal with the Mahometans and export all of the blue state's sodomites, degenerates, morally insane, drug freaks and sexual pathologens to them for disposal? Stoning could become their core economic industry ...

Maybe we should just lump some of the Northeast liberal states, together with Quebec and the maritimes.
We called it the United Socialist Country of America or USCA for short. That way all the once in favor of socialism can move there.

Just imagine the amount of tax $$ we can save.