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The Remdesivir Study Is Finally Out: Drug Only Helped Those On Oxygen, Finds Mortality Too High For Standalone Treatment


Remember when the market soared on several days in April on the Facui-touted Remdesivir study which, according to StatNews and various other unofficial sources of rumors, was a smashing success only for the optimism to fizzle as many questions emerged, and as the Gilead drug quietly faded from the public's consciousness and was replaced by various coronavirus vaccine candidates such as those made by the greatly hyped Moderna (whose insiders https://investors.modernatx.com/static-files/03ba600f-801d-4609-a7fb-332ac507f76f
just can't stop selling company stock). https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/22/investing/moderns-coronavirus-vaccine-stock-sales/index.html

Adam Feuerstein
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Friday 6 pm. Fking ridiculous.
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... According to a pivotal study published in the New England Journal of Medicine late on Friday,
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764
Remdesivir, which was authorized to treat Covid-19 in a group of 1063 adults and children (split into two groups, one receiving placebo instead of remdesivir) who need i) supplemental oxygen, ii) a ventilator or iii) extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO), only significantly helped those on supplemental oxygen.

Meanwhile, and explaining the 6pm release on a Friday, the study also found no marked benefit from remdesivir for those who were healthier and didn’t need oxygen or those who were sicker, requiring a ventilator or a heart-lung bypass machine.

The NEJM, almost apologetically, stated that "the lack of benefit seen in the other groups might have stemmed from a smaller number of patients in each group."

Still, as a result of the partial benefit for patients in the supplemental oxygen group, the study from the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was evaluated early and led to the authorization of remdesivir before the full trial was completed.


Our findings highlight the need to identify Covid-19 cases and start antiviral treatment before the pulmonary disease progresses to require mechanical ventilation.

Some more details on the study, which was a "rank test of the time to recovery with remdesivir as compared with placebo, with stratification by disease severity":

The primary outcome measure was the time to recovery, defined as the first day, during the 28 days after enrollment, on which a patient satisfied categories 1, 2, or 3 on the eight-category ordinal scale. The categories are as follows:

1. not hospitalized, no limitations of activities;
2. not hospitalized, limitation of activities, home oxygen requirement, or both;
3. hospitalized, not requiring supplemental oxygen and no longer requiring ongoing medical care (used if hospitalization was extended for infection-control reasons);
4. hospitalized, not requiring supplemental oxygen but requiring ongoing medical care (Covid-19–related or other medical conditions);
5. 5, hospitalized, requiring any supplemental oxygen;
hospitalized, requiring noninvasive ventilation or use of high-flow oxygen devices;
hospitalized, receiving invasive mechanical ventilation or extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO); and death.
The results are summarized below, highlighting the only group that showed a statistically significant improvement in outcomes as a result of taking the drug vs placebo.







A visual representation of the outcomes is below; it shows that whereas there was a modest benefit only to patients who were receiving oxygen, the results were statistically insignificant vs placebo for patients not receiving oxygen, while in a surprising twist patients on high-flow oxygen or mechanical ventilator/ECMO did modestly better in the placebo group than those taking remdesivir. Also, the overall results showed a very modest, but not statistically significant improvement in the remdesivir group vs placebo (box A).






Another disappointment: the study found that overall "mortality was numerically lower in the remdesivir group than in the placebo group, but the difference was not significant", in other words the alleged "miracle drug" has largely the same effect as a placebo in terms of overall disease mortality.

The study authors also note that the "findings in our trial should be compared with those observed in a randomized trial from China in which 237 patients were enrolled (158 assigned to remdesivir and 79 to placebo).... That trial failed to complete full enrollment (owing to the end of the outbreak), had lower power than the present trial (owing to the smaller sample size and a 2:1 randomization), and was unable to demonstrate any statistically significant clinical benefits of remdesivir."



Finally, the study found that while mortality was modestly lower for the remdesivir arm, it was not significantly so, at 7.1% at 14 days on drug versus 11.9% on placebo.



In conclusion, while the "preliminary findings support the use of remdesivir for patients who are hospitalized with Covid-19 and require supplemental oxygen therapy" the study goes on to warn that "given high mortality despite the use of remdesivir, it is clear that treatment with an antiviral drug alone is not likely to be sufficient."


The study's recommendation:

Future strategies should evaluate antiviral agents in combination with other therapeutic approaches or combinations of antiviral agents to continue to improve patient outcomes in Covid-19.

So a generally disappointing outcome, one which would lead to a drop in the market. Nonsense: think of all the spin, and why this is in fact great news for stocks: Remdesivir may be a dud as a "silver bullet" to curing covid, leading to statistically significant improvement in only a very limited subset of infected patients and "high mortality" for those taking it, but at least the algos will have a whole lot of other "miracle drugs" to levitate them as optimism that the next remdesivir is just around the corner. In short: rinse, rumor, and repeat... and then save the bad news for 6pm on a Friday.


Oh, and for those asking about the "official" reason why the NE Journal of Medicine waited until just the right time to make sure nobody reads the results, here it is:



Adam Feuerstein✔@adamfeuerstein
I asked NEJM spox to explain the Friday 6 pm release of the remdesivir study. Her response is below.


— Adam Feuerstein (@adamfeuerstein) May 22, 2020

https://twitter.com/adamfeuerstein/...-helped-those-oxygen-finds-mortality-too-high
RE: remdesivir study released:

Adam,
We received manuscripts recently and have been
working with the authors to get it published as rapidly as
possible. Editorial was working until moments before publication
to finished it. We didn't want to wait until Memorial Weekend to
pass before publishing.

JEN


The full study is available below here.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764
 

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Are we experiencing a shortage of oxygen?
 

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The study shows slme benifit... name one hcq study that has stronger evidence.

Also why do you and alt right sites blindly copy positive findings as heqdlines on any trial that supoorts hcq yet they go through essays of criticims on other things. If this isnt political bias i dont know what https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764

Thats the OG study. I read thr studies not some right wing pundists medical opinion of it.
 

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The study shows slme benifit... name one hcq study that has stronger evidence.

Also why do you and alt right sites blindly copy positive findings as heqdlines on any trial that supoorts hcq yet they go through essays of criticims on other things. If this isnt political bias i dont know what https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2007764

Thats the OG study. I read thr studies not some right wing pundists medical opinion of it.
It's because the righties have turned COVID19 into a political game that is going to come back to bite them on the ass or in the lungs.
 

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It's because the Leftie have turned COVID19 into a political game that is going to come back to bite them on the ass or in the lungs.
I fixed the quote for you! The hatred of Conservative view demonize anything to prevent a reelection of Trump. Even a famous Hollywood actor hoped for a recession so Trump get blamed so they the Republicans ( including Trump) don't get reelected!
 
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I fixed the quote for you! The hatred of Conservative view demonize anything to prevent a reelection of Trump. Even a famous Hollywood actor hoped for a recession so Trump get blamed a they the Replician don't get reelected!
Your leader has sent his base to attend church starting tomorrow. Honest question so I hope you give me an honest answer.

IS HE RIGHT? Should everyone listen to Trump and attend church tomorrow? If you're a religious man, would you attend church tomorrow?
 

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That it is intravenous only is also a problem. Looking at the data in the actual NEJM print, remdesivir isn't going to pan out. It can help a bit in early patients, maybe, (the trend lines all go the right way but the numbers are very small). The effect isn't dramatic and it isn't particularly convenient. It doesn't look at all useful in more severe cases.

The question I would have is about the various oral anti-virals out there. I know Gilead lobbies hard to get fluffed by government and keep prices up, so it wouldn't surprise me if there are some other promising studies on other anti-virals that don't have the same PR boost.
 

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Your leader has sent his base to attend church starting tomorrow. Honest question so I hope you give me an honest answer.

IS HE RIGHT? Should everyone listen to Trump and attend church tomorrow? If you're a religious man, would you attend church tomorrow?


I will give you an honest answer! Everyone should allowed to attend Church providing they follow this strict condition no acception!

1. Everyone must wear a face mask before entering in the Church. Everyone must keep his face mask on in the Church. All children, babies must wear a facemask! ( if babies can't wear face mask they are not allowed in church! No exceptions)!!

2. Everyone must disinfect their hand before entering in the Church! ( No exception)!

3. Priest must wear a mask when meeting the public. When delivering his sermons it must be performed live or recorded by some some sort live video feed on a big screen TV in Church . He also can delivered his sermon somewhere private in a enclosed room away from the public like in a private enclosed space room or basement away from the public .

4. No singing are allow , this is to prevent people from taking off their mask! This is to reduce any chance airborne/ aerosolize particle from singing to prevent spreading virus particles airborne transmission !

5. Social distancing space mark must be mark in the Church like the supermarkets. All family members from the same household must still observe social distancing ( No exception)!

6. Taking communion is not allowed, because tdon't want anyone to take off the mask a eat the bread from the priest. Bread will be only given out to the parishioners when they leave and the exit the Church door.

7. Priest must wear glove and the disinfect their hand and glove before breaking bread. And giving bread out to the parishioners.

8. No one without wearing a mask allowed to enter Church ("mass ") that includes all this leaders .( Justin Trudeau, Pope, Trump, Fireman, Policeman, Doctor, Even God himself he must wear a mask, etc)

9. I will not attend church , because I know there will always be few asshole refused to wear a mask.

10. May swing by and watch people when entering the Church building if one person don't wear a mask I will not enter.

11. People who have health conditions like asthma or trouble breathing they still must wear a mask no acception!
Wearing a oxygen mask is acceptable! But they must keep the mask on!

12. Anyone break the above rule will be automatically kick out or ask to leave the Church premise!
This will be enforced by Church security guard or city police.

11. They a old story once I heard from a Catholic priest.
This religionous man was praying every day for the past 50 year to win the max lottery ( $50 million ) and everyday . He was a good person doing his good deed. Helping his fellow man . He was honest and caring and selfishlessness ! When he sadly passed away . He was at Saint Peter Gate and there was God on the other side of caution he gate. He passed through the gate. THen he ask God this question! How come I never won the Lottery? I pray to you everyday & every night.

God replied " God only help people who help themselves! The man look confused by his God answer!
God then said " you must a lottery tickets first!


12. These are the conditions anything less to be is unacceptable! No acception! If leaders and people don't abide this health safety rules then they are wrong! I have the right to breathe virus free particles from inside the Church.

The faster everyone wear a mask the quicker the Rnaought become less then 1 . Rnaught being equal to 0. RO=0 means the virus burned itself out!


This video should be the gold standard for all public and they should watch it and emulate it!


PS. If Trump allowed people attending church and just only observing social distancing that not good enough , without wearing a mask ! It is not acceptable to me! We can do better! We must do better. A minor inconvenience ( wearing a mask also) in order to protect live is not unreasonable!

PPS. Wear a fucking mask! ( Even a homemade mask) , observed social distancing 6 feet or more.
And disinfect your hand before you touch anything! Realistically, I don't think the public will follow the above guidelines!
 
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