Red light cameras

[thumper18474]

as soon as the red light is on...the camera starts rolling 3 frames/second..
if you stopped over the line on a yellow and were reversing out of the 'capture' zone and the light goes red.....you're busted, camera doesnt distinguish if you were going forward or reverse..
You dont even have to have gone all the way thru the intersection...you go over line on a red...you're captured ...you can stop reverse out of the intersection but you are already captured on film......good luck trying to fight it also....unles you got someone there as a witness.
considering you have a limited time to plead not guilty and argue the charge...better off just paying it

BTW all red light camera areas/intersections are clearly posted....so run reds at your peril.....

 

[Petzel]

Better to complete the turn than sit in the middle of the road.

 

[BAMan 55]

Also, not every box has a camera, I think only about 80% of them have a camera. They do move the cameras around so you do not know, which has a camera. The OP probably got lucky.

Here are the current locations in Toronto
http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/redlight_cameras/locations.htm

 

[pointz]

My gps navigation flashes and beeps when there are red-light cameras on my route so I know not to take any chances. Never been caught ... yet

TomTom?

 

[pointz]

I'm positive that these cameras are used. My buddy, who likes to bend the rules a bit, gets tickets all the time.

 

[onehunglow]

You're making a left hand turn and are in the middle of the intersection. You can't turn as oncoming traffic continues as the green light turns yellow and then red. Its safe and you immediately make the turn. Is this going through a red light?

 

[Celticman]

Good. Hope they're back to stay. Fed up with sitting at a green light while red light runners are still turning in front of me. $1000 fine w/b nice.

+1 .

 

[pointz]

+1 .

Kudos to that!! I live at one of the busiest intersections in Toronto and see this BS all the time. There's red light cameras here, so I sincerely hope they get huge tickets. F!@#, it's nearly impossible to enter Yonge street from my place so I have to take a detour just to avoid that struggle.

 

[thumper18474]

You're making a left hand turn and are in the middle of the intersection. You can't turn as oncoming traffic continues as the green light turns yellow and then red. Its safe and you immediately make the turn. Is this going through a red light?

Yup...you encroached before it was safe to do so....no different than blocking an intersection on a green light but because the traffic was backed up you couldnt move forward...so you sit thru a yellow then a red...you are illegally in the intersection and if an officer sees fit you're busted...and no ecuse will be accepted...you should have stayed behind the line...
Had you got hit by someone advancing on a green while you were in the intersection...you are at fault

 

[Moraff]

Yup...you encroached before it was safe to do so....no different than blocking an intersection on a green light but because the traffic was backed up you couldnt move forward...so you sit thru a yellow then a red...you are illegally in the intersection and if an officer sees fit you're busted...and no ecuse will be accepted...you should have stayed behind the line...
Had you got hit by someone advancing on a green while you were in the intersection...you are at fault

Would there not also be some fault on the advancing driver? If my light turns green and there's some schmo in the intersection I find it hard to believe I can just drive into them with no repercussions on my part.

 

[wangbang]

You're making a left hand turn and are in the middle of the intersection. You can't turn as oncoming traffic continues as the green light turns yellow and then red. Its safe and you immediately make the turn. Is this going through a red light?

With the red light cameras in Hamilton they need a shot of you crossing the stop line on red so in your example, no, at least not here.

Can't see why they would be different in Toronto but perhaps they are.

 

[thumper18474]

Would there not also be some fault on the advancing driver? If my light turns green and there's some schmo in the intersection I find it hard to believe I can just drive into them with no repercussions on my part.

Rule of thumb is...
Had you not been in the intersection to begin with...you wouldnt have put yourself in a position..to get hit
Any good lawyer will argue that point in the court..
Now on the other side the party that got hit could argue that the driver should have used reasonable care to avoid you...but in reality....you never should have put yourself in a position to get hit..the party with the Green..has right of way..regardless..except pedestrians/emergency personnel

 

[oldjones]

You're making a left hand turn and are in the middle of the intersection. You can't turn as oncoming traffic continues as the green light turns yellow and then red. Its safe and you immediately make the turn. Is this going through a red light?

You should never ever enter an intersection you cannot clear.

 

[pointz]

You should never ever enter an intersection you cannot clear.

Yet I see it every f!@#$%^ day downtown. Some things never change.

 

[jcooler]

From the City of Toronto FAQ

http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/redlight_cameras/faq.htm

Q What if I am making a left turn and the light turns red when my vehicle is still in the intersection?
A Motorists already in an intersection when the signal changes to red (when waiting to turn, for example) are not red light runners.

 

[thumper18474]

From the City of Toronto FAQ

http://www.toronto.ca/transportation/redlight_cameras/faq.htm

Q What if I am making a left turn and the light turns red when my vehicle is still in the intersection?
A Motorists already in an intersection when the signal changes to red (when waiting to turn, for example) are not red light runners.

BUT you are in an intersection for which you dont have the right of way...therefore you are guilty of blocking the intersection which is a traffic violation and you can and will be ticketed if they catch you.....there are blitzes all the time for just that exact thing...along with aggresive drivers..illegally parked vehicles and so on

 

[rhuarc29]

the camera starts taking pics once the red is initiated...even if you are stationary at a yellow but are in the zone where there camera is focused...you will get caught on camera.
if you are even just a bumper into the red zone but pull back after ..too bad you got it....you might be able to fight it saying you didnt go completely thru the red light but 90% of the time you're gonna get the fine and have to pay it.
Yup $320 is the fine ...and NO ONE is immune doesnt matter who you are.

Not sure about that. I drive through an intersection with a red light camera and have only seen it catch someone once (it's quite a flash when it does go off!). I went through an amber and was technically still in the intersection when the light went red. Another vehicle followed me through, but was quite far behind (maybe 2 or 3 seconds). They got caught. But I've seen people drive entirely through a red light (immediately following an amber) without getting a flash, and I've seen people forced to wait to turn left by people pushing an amber and still not get caught. Seems to me there's a couple second delay after the amber before the thing kicks in.

 

[whollycheeses]

Yup...you encroached before it was safe to do so....no different than blocking an intersection on a green light but because the traffic was backed up you couldn't move forward...so you sit thru a yellow then a red...you are illegally in the intersection and if an officer sees fit you're busted...and no ecuse will be accepted...you should have stayed behind the line...
Had you got hit by someone advancing on a green while you were in the intersection...you are at fault

Sadly, I think there are thousands of drivers who (incorrectly) believe this to be true. In fact, you're supposed to advance into the intersection in preparation to turn left. I get stuck behind one of these people almost every day. All they do is hold up traffic for everyone. I really wish we had (at minimum) a written test every time we renewed our driver's licenses. Half the people on the road would fail the first time.

Section 144 (12) of the HTA allows you to enter on a green. Once you've pulled in to the intersection, as you know, you just wait for traffic to clear and then turn when safely able.

Move into the intersection, and stay as far LEFT as is possible/safe. You're turning left, you don't need to move right first to block your view and the view of the person opposite you. You'll have plenty of room to clear the turn.

Happy motoring.

 

[Adam_hadam]

make and model? thanks.

My Garmin Nuvi ~$100 gives me a warning sound and visual if a red light camera is at an upcoming intersection.

 

[GameBoy27]

You're making a left hand turn and are in the middle of the intersection. You can't turn as oncoming traffic continues as the green light turns yellow and then red. Its safe and you immediately make the turn. Is this going through a red light?

Yup...you encroached before it was safe to do so....no different than blocking an intersection on a green light but because the traffic was backed up you couldnt move forward...so you sit thru a yellow then a red...you are illegally in the intersection and if an officer sees fit you're busted...and no ecuse will be accepted...you should have stayed behind the line...
Had you got hit by someone advancing on a green while you were in the intersection...you are at fault

Sadly, I think there are thousands of drivers who (incorrectly) believe this to be true. In fact, you're supposed to advance into the intersection in preparation to turn left. I get stuck behind one of these people almost every day. All they do is hold up traffic for everyone. I really wish we had (at minimum) a written test every time we renewed our driver's licenses. Half the people on the road would fail the first time.

Section 144 (12) of the HTA allows you to enter on a green. Once you've pulled in to the intersection, as you know, you just wait for traffic to clear and then turn when safely able.

Move into the intersection, and stay as far LEFT as is possible/safe. You're turning left, you don't need to move right first to block your view and the view of the person opposite you. You'll have plenty of room to clear the turn.

Happy motoring.

whollycheeses has it right. If you weren't allowed to move into an intersection and had to stay behind the white line until it was clear to make your left turn and only when the light was green, you'd could potentially be stuck there for a long time, especially in rush hour if there was no advanced green. Think about it!