langeweile said:
A buddy of mine has been drawing checks from this program for more than a year.
Real Reason for US War with Iran
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A buddy of mine has been drawing checks from this program for more than a year.
You know I am all for helping people if they lost their job, but this is clearly over the top.arclighter said:
I hope the US auto industry doesn't go the way of the steel industry.
Originally Posted by rogerstaubach
Awaiting Pecker's blog-buttressed disinformercials.......
Oh well as rogie would say that conservative Paul Craig Roberts article must be a 'disinformercial'.........
Dam! Paul Craig Roberts said
that 'bout me and he worked
for Reagan to boot !!!
Awaiting Pecker's blog-buttressed disinformercials.......
That's standard tactic MO, of the 'smoke & mirrors' righties, ignore the excellent points brought up by a conservative Paul Craig Roberts, the past Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration about the results to date of, 'Bushienomics'.wollensak said:
Oh well as rogie would say that conservative Paul Craig Roberts article must be a 'disinformercial'.........
Dam! Paul Craig Roberts said
that 'bout me and he worked
for Reagan to boot !!!
There is nothing to respond to. The Peckmeister keeps posting articles critiquing free trade, but offers no viable alternatives. My consistent position is that protective tariffs are inefficient and make the industries they are trying to protect less competitive.wollensak said:Notice how Lange, Roger and Arcy don't have even the feeblest comeback.
Truly a neo-con Gob-stopper.
Notice how clearly and succinctly I stated my position? Why is it so rare for an extreme leftist (borderline communist) to respond in this fashion? With Woody, you are lucky if his cut and paste leftie diatribes relate to 5% of what is being discussed.
First of all, try not to be so sloppy in your use of language, specifically the terms "left" and "right". Commenters of your ilk refer to anyone that has a dissenting opinion, or especially is critical of the Bush administration as a "lefty".arclighter said:
News flash - the American "Left" ceased to exist in any meaningful form about 30 years ago. The US Democrats are no more left than the Republicans are. Income redistribution through the tax system is the sine qua non of "Left" politics and I see no stampede in this direction from either party. Clinton trimmed the welfare rolls (Right?) while Bush has erected a giant and ineffective bureaucracy around "Homeland Security". Sounds like lefty make-work to me. Ralph Nader may be a genuine lefty but he has zero influence. Both your parties are classic neo-liberal ideologues. The private sector and the "invisible hand" of the market will guarantee the best result.
"Free" trade is a chimera. There is not even the pretense of making US industry competitive. Why bother when corporations can simply offshore the jobs. For 20K per year you can get a PHD in math to write software for you in India. A US graduate would command 80K. After all, his education is not free or in any way subsidized by the state.
Negotiated trade should be the goal. It's amazing to me that people can spout economic theory as if actually worked. The only way US labor can compete with the third world, on any level, is if (and when) there is a monumental decline in the value of the US dollar. That will be extremely painful for all concerned.
To see the US transfer all of it's productive capacity to the communist juggernaut that is China just boggles my mind.
It's really not Woody's job to propose solutions. I think that's Mr Bush's job.
Or maybe the electorate needs to educate itself and demand better answers, ones that make sense and have some chance of working.
Engaging in infantile labelling and name calling as you guys do is no solution either.
This is the first time I have opened up this thread and I admit that I have not read all the 9 pages of posts so this may have been mentioned before (Indeed I have said as much in previous posts). However, as far as the U.S. running a trade deficit is concerned, it has northing to do with the playing field not being level (one argument I see from the posts I have scanned). However it does have everything to do with the U.S. running a huge budget deficit combined with a low savings rate (I read a recent report that it was actually negative). A fundamental fact is that the current and capital accounts have to balance (in other words the supply of U.S. dollars has to equal the demand for U.S. dollars on foreign exchange markets). If government is borrowing and private savings are near zero, the US. has to finance the budget deficit by selling debt and equity to the rest of the world putting the capital account in surplus. The only way for currency markets to clear is for the U.S. dollar to stay high enough for imports to exceed exports (run a current account deficit). As long as the U.S. both has a low savings rate and a high budget deficit, they have to run a trade deficit and continue to import more than they export. If you don’t like the fact that the U.S. is importing a lot form the rest of the world, either rise taxes, lower expenditures or save more. Just don't blame foreigners as they are just using those U.S. dollars they are earning from their exports to finance your borrowing.
That in and of itself dosen't make a lick of sense.souljax33 said:
Plaese explain without resorting to cut and paste.
I think he means the US doesn't like Korean food or their cars. They are afraid of both of them.papasmerf said:
Nice try.
Of my ilk? In this particular thread, I am labeling Woody a leftie because he wants the government to “do” something about outsourcing (Although he can't seem to articulate exactly want he wants done). Government interferance with the free flow of goods and capital is by definition a “leftist” position.wollensak said:
Where did I mention democrats or republicans? I absolutely agree that both parties advocate for nanny statism.wollensak said:
So you outsource your code writers to India, which makes your company's products less expensive, which leads to market share growth, which leads to the hiring of more engineers, accountants, middle management, etc… Or you could keep paying $80,000 per year for code writers and go out of business. Which do you prefer? By the way, through what form of magic does the US economy still command 30% of the world’s GDP?wollensak said:
Ever hear of the word automation? Can the Chinese compete with robotic labor? Robots have replaced far more auto workers then outsourcing. When computers became affordable, legions of accountants and clerks lost their jobs. Where was the outcry? Why weren’t you rallying to smash the machines? As I said in an earlier post, basing your economy on cheap labor might not be the smartest thing to do.wollensak said:
Won’t happen. Many products aren’t conducive to container shipping. Styrofoam cups for example. Dart Container Corp. has nothing to fear from the Chinese.wollensak said:
To what end does it serve to criticize something without offering a solution? This wasn’t my thread topic, yet I still offered solutions. As for the “labeling”, I clearly stated why the left label is appropriate. For future reference, my use of the terms left or right relate to statism. The more you favor federal statism the more you lean to the left. Simple yet descriptive.wollensak said:
