Ready To take the Plunge - Advice Needed...

[Fabulous]

I live in an upscale building and my privacy is very important to me.

ha ha I live in an upscale building as well and sometimes clients call/email me and tell me the name of their building and all that blah blah and I am thinking I live at the same place as you. I value my privacy too and I know what you mean, but at the same time that's one more reason why nobody would mess with you and another, why would you worry about some $12 an hour security guard/concierge worry about what they think?

 

[Asiangurl1]

The cost of a hotel room is a small investment for most people compared to the possible risks of inviting a complete stranger involved in sex trade into your home. It is far safer to choose someone from a self policing community like TERB. Probably safer than picking up a civilian in bar if you insist on taking everyone home as soon as you meet them.

I think this sounds a tad stereotypical.

I like to think of myself as a family oriented person. I don't have children, but I do have a mother, brother, cat, two dogs and a snake. I live by myself with the animals. I don't know about you, but I do enjoy coming home at night to look after my animals. And I also don't like shit, piss and the smell of rotting carcus.

Now if I were to end up in jail for robbing your house of your worldly possessions, it surely would not be worth it to me. For one going to jail might cost me my animals. If no one is there to feed them than they will probably die. 3 days without water? We would die too. it might take a few days for my mom to figure out where I am at, and even then she does not have keys to my apartment. The sup would have to get in to my apartment once the neighbours start complaining of the smell. Either that or the humane society would take them.

If I were to end up in jail I would probably lose my apartment, its contents, and my livelihood. BTW I have my own car (new), TV, computers, books, and furniture. Which aside from the car(I made a 16 K down payment and 10k I financed), is all paid in full. Money that I earned by working.

And if I don't get caught? Well I would never do it in the first place because I like to sleep at night.

 

[LordLoki]

If you had some personal experience that was bad I'd understand, otherwise you are too stereotypical.

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ok so here you go again, what is wrong with sex workers, why are you even fucking them if you don't trust them? a little bit at least? huh

While I can understand some of your concerns, I think you are just blowing it out of proportion and assuming that most SP's are thieves. Not the case. And there is no need to try create this kind of paranoia and bad propaganda.

Personal experience? Well personal reason I believe that at least some Sex Workers are addicts is that I had the misfortune of being in court the day after local police did a sweep. Kind of hard to not spot someone in withdrawal. Seems about a third of those charged were in withdrawal. Addicts occasionally steal from anyone they can.

Couple of years ago a Company lap top walked out with a SP from a hotel room when our employee went into the washroom after finishing. During the investigation discovered this was not rare.

Several B&Es in my neighbourhood were linked to a Pizza delivery guy supplying info to the perpetrators.

So yes I guess I have a few personal experiences.

And telling drlove to be careful about inviting a stranger into his house is good advice.

Similar good advice is do not assume a new client is honest, safe, and respectful. We have had dozens of threads here on rip offs, and worse by clients. How many Sps do incalls in their homes? Same reasoning. Same common sense.

Stereotyping? Well actually it is profiling. Most SPs are a risk? Well that depends where you find them. I believe that someone who is part of a community like TERB and has been reviewed a few times is very low risk. I think some independent selected randomly from a news paper or add is an unknown quantity. If you are picking up some unknown woman from Craiglist or an add in the paper, I am pointing out that you should be a bit cautious till you actually know them.

One of the reasons investigators hate phone interviews is that even a trained professional BS detector can be fooled over the phone. To quote my grandfather… “If all bad people looked bad crime would go way down”. I recognize that drlove ‘thinks she is ok’. I also do not believe a phone call is an effective way of knowing someone.

High risk behaviours apply to both clients and SPs. One high risk behaviour for clients is bringing strangers into your house. One simple precaution is select SPs using a system that demonstrates they are successful and have a good reputation. Does it sounds like I am saying use TERB reviews? I am.

I know a few ladies in this industry I would trust completely, mainly because I have spent a little time getting to know them. I assume you have some clients you would trust the same way? Would you trust a brand new client who you had never met had no reference with your home address and a quick tour?

High risk behaviour is high risk behaviour. Wearing condoms and screening who enters your domicile are just a couple of examples of common sense

 

[LKD]

that's where the FUN is... trying out the unknown. You never know what to expect... always wish for the best. A surprise sometimes; Let down at times.

 

[single1970]

If you can afford this hobby and a pasma tv then invest in a good home security system.

 

[JessiMae]

Sometimes I wonder why men would want to fuck women they seem to have such low opinions of. I surely would not want to be naked and having sex with someone whom I thought might rob me.

You don't trust us with your TVs and furniture, but you trust us with your genitals and possibly your health?
And by the way, there are bad apples in every bunch. SPs arn't the only ones with drug habbits.

P.S. I have my own plasma TV, new car (Chrysler Sebring), apple computer, furniture, etc. I don't exactly live in the poor house. And all of this stuff I paid for by working. I am an upper year university student and hope to one day have a career and I don't want a criminal record getting in my way. My future career means more to me than any TV or material good can ever mean.

 

[hunter001]

Sometimes I wonder why men would want to fuck women they seem to have such low opinions of. I surely would not want to be naked and having sex with someone whom I thought might rob me.

It is not intended to be rude but it never crossed you mind at any of your sessions?

 

[JessiMae]

It is not intended to be rude but it never crossed you mind at any of your sessions?

Robbing someone or having them rob me?

I have had someone rob me during a session. But it is not like I walk in there thinking, "Gee I wonder if this guy is going to rob and rape me tonight".

 

[hunter001]

Robbing someone or having them rob me?

I have had someone rob me during a session. But it is not like I walk in there thinking, "Gee I wonder if this guy is going to rob and rape me tonight".

No, not you robbing someone. I know better then that.

OK. I thought there may have been a time where you thought this guy doesn't look right or were afraid of there being a problem. I guess not.

In terms of trusting people, it seems you are a better person then most of the guys.

 

[RTRD]

Because...

OMG is it better to be paranoid or sane? We are SP's not thieves posing as SP's.

...thieves usually go around with signs that say "thief" right?

This is what I know about "you". "You" are willing to do things I am not willing to do in order to make money. Not things I would find unpleasant, or I am not qualified for - things I would not do. Indeed...things MOST PEOPLE (women) would not do.

Does this make you a thief? No.

Does it make you (IMHO) someone who is prepared to set aside (typical) boundaries for financial gain? Yes....much like...yes...a thief.

(Many) people on this board like to pretend "escorts are just like the girl next door...except they fuck for money". They also like to pretend there is no sex trade industry, or pimps, or that all escorts are STD free while civilians are rampant spreaders of disease.

Me, I'd wager to say that the SPs who are "just like the girl next door except the fuck for money" are the exception, not the rule. I don't know any SPs (to my knowledge), but my guess is that circumstances...indeed (perceived) DESPERATE circumstances...are what lead women into the sex industry...even when they are not on a corner and charge $300/hr. That doesn't mean they stay desperate...nor...again...does it make them a thief. But it does mean what I said...that some perceived circumstances led to a decision to cross a line and enter a world where their health and safety are to some degree at risk, and where social stigma is the order of the day.

All very much like a thief.

So for my money, no, no way no how would an Escort be seeing any parts of my home, unless it were an apartment or condo, and they had to gain access with my / others permission, and they would have to pass by same with goods from my abode. That might alleviate my concerns a bit...with my hope being my doorman would ask questions such as "where are you going?" and "is Mr. MLAM expecting you" and "why are you walking through the lobby with Mr. MLAM's flat screen TV?".

But to my house? Absofuckinglutelynofuckingway.

But then again...some of us are more desperate than others...

 

[RTRD]

And what you are saying here...

I don't need to check out drivers, I drive, get with the program, this is not Saudi Arabia where women can't drive.

We are all strangers until we meet.

...is that all SPs drive themselves? Or are you saying that all SPs let their clients know if their is a driver waiting outside?


No...wait...what you are saying is that only independent SPs who drive themselves travel to peoples homes...right?

You know, being sharp witted and having a "sharp tongue" are not quite the same thing. Sometimes a rapier wit only reveals how unequipped one is to handle a rapier...

 

[RTRD]

You do realize....

Now if I were to end up in jail for robbing your house of your worldly possessions, it surely would not be worth it to me.

If I were to end up in jail I would probably lose my apartment, its contents, and my livelihood. BTW I have my own car (new), TV, computers, books, and furniture. Which aside from the car(I made a 16 K down payment and 10k I financed), is all paid in full. Money that I earned by working.

...that many people (including I would wager most women) would use that EXACT SAME RATIONAL AND LOGIC to dismiss being an SP in the first place, right? That all the material things you and JessieMae listed are not even CLOSE to being worth the "drama" associated with being an SP...health risks, safety concerns, erosion of psyche, etc. I know that if I were a female I could not do it....for the same rational i explained why I would not want to be Ron Jeremy

Just because you ladies have drawn the line of what you will / will not do short of theft (if it is short...many people would argue that they would be a theft before they would be an SP) doesn't mean you are exactly mainstream in your thinking or behaviors...so the "we are just like you, just regular every day people, how could you possibly be so suspicious" argument is not exactly air tight...

 

[JessiMae]

...thieves usually go around with signs that say "thief" right?

This is what I know about "you". "You" are willing to do things I am not willing to do in order to make money. Not things I would find unpleasant, or I am not qualified for - things I would not do. Indeed...things MOST PEOPLE (women) would not do.

Does this make you a thief? No.

Does it make you (IMHO) someone who is prepared to set aside (typical) boundaries for financial gain? Yes....much like...yes...a thief.

(Many) people on this board like to pretend "escorts are just like the girl next door...except they fuck for money". They also like to pretend there is no sex trade industry, or pimps, or that all escorts are STD free while civilians are rampant spreaders of disease.

Me, I'd wager to say that the SPs who are "just like the girl next door except the fuck for money" are the exception, not the rule. I don't know any SPs (to my knowledge), but my guess is that circumstances...indeed (perceived) DESPERATE circumstances...are what lead women into the sex industry...even when they are no on a corner and charge $300/hr. That doesn't mean they stay desperate...nor...again...does it make them a thief. But it does mean what I said...that some perceived circumstances led to a decision to cross a line and enter a world where their health and safety are to some degree at risk, and where social stigma is the order fo the day.

All very much like a thief.

So for my money, no, no way no how would an Escort be seeing any parts of my home, unless it where an apartment or condo, and they had to gain access with my / others permission, and they would have to pass by same with goods from my abode. That might alleviate my concerns a bit...with my hope being my doorman would ask questions such as "where are you going?" and "is Mr. MLAM expecting you" and "why are you walking through the lobby with Mr. MLAM's flat screen TV".

But to my house? Absofuckinglutelynofuckingway.

But then again...some of us are more desperate than others...

so I guess it can work both ways.

When I was working I did outcalls only. I rarely did incalls because I believe it was never in my best interest because from my experience with incalls half of the people never showed up to their appointments.

There are a few of us ladies around who work hard for what we have but just cannot justify bringing clients in to our homes not only for safety reasons but because there needs to a barrier between work and home life. I simply did not find it feasible to be spending an extra 800-1000 a month in rent on an incall location, after all I am was escorting to make money- not to spend it.

I am willing to bet there are plenty of ladies out here who (although they say they are not doing this) are working out of their own appartments.

And since you can make sweeping generalizations about women in the sex trade, I guess I can make some about the men who see such unsavoury ladies. I don't neccessarily agree with all of what I am saying, but I will say it to make my point.

Men who see women in the sex trade are in one form or another desperate. They don't care who, as many of these ladies are not the most trustable people and not the most clean either. The men who see them don't neccessarily care about who they are having sex with and how this person conducts herself.

much like how someone who intends to hurt another person does not care about their vicitim. They are in it for the pleasure and/or the relief.

Many people on this board like to think of themselves as just an average person who pays the girl next door to fuck for money. They think of themselves as the types to be respectful of these 'girls next door' who fuck for money. However this is not always the case. Some come with itentions of robbing the lady, coercing her into doing something illegal, or perhaps acting out violently on her.

And here is where I speak from experience....

working as a SP most of my clients were normal and easy to get a long with. They were pleasant and I enjoyed my time with them.

Then there were the no-shows and last minute cancellers, those are for another discussion.

And then there were the ones who tried to talk me in to doing stupid things like smoking crack, driving by their drug dealer's house on the way to get them a fix, asking me to get them illegal things/services, and outright bend and violate my boundaries. There was also one *special* dude who assualted me and robbed me. Oh and let's not forget the condom negotiators who begged me for BBFS, and the loser who tried to rip off the condom (both situations I left because of what they were trying to do).


So I guess I can paint all of you with the same black brush that you are painting us ladies with: loathsome immoral people who I (or any other SP) should never invite in to my home because it is far to dangerous and you might decide to rape and kill me.

 

[JessiMae]

...that many people (including I would wager most women) would use that EXACT SAME RATIONAL AND LOGIC to dismiss being an SP in the first place, right? That all the material things you and JessieMae listed are not even CLOSE to being worth the "drama" associated with being an SP...health risks, safety concerns, erosion of psyche, etc. I know that if I were a female I could not do it....for the same rational i explained why I would not want to be Ron Jeremy

Just because you ladies have drawn the line of what you will / will not do short of theft (if it is short...many people would argue that they would be a theft before they would be an SP) doesn't mean you are exactly mainstream in your thinking or behaviors...so the "we are just like you, just regular every day people, how could you possibly be so suspicious" argument is not exactly air tight...

I guess that puts you in the same boat because you are associating with us "immoral" people- spending your hard earned money on our services and even getting intimate with us, as they say "the devil loves company"

 

[RTRD]

Nope...

I guess that puts you in the same boat because you are associating with us "immoral" people- spending your hard earned money on our services and even getting intimate with us, as they say "the devil loves company"

...don't hobby.

But...assuming I did...i wouldn't be QUITE the same boat...

Let's say I saw one SP a week....4 times a month. Not exactly the same "exposre"...morally or otherwise...as seeing 4 clients A DAY, now is it?

That said...ummm...yeah...MOST people would view escorts and hobbiyst in pretty much the same vein...and I would not be surprised at all if some number of hobbiyst were "thieves" (especially of the white collar kind) to support their hobby habits....

BTW...nah-ners back at you (sticking my tongue out)...LOL

 

[hunter001]

So I guess I can paint all of you with the same black brush that you are painting us ladies with: loathsome immoral people who I (or any other SP) should never invite in to my home because it is far to dangerous and you might decide to rape and kill me.

I think that is a fair assumption. If you invited anyone from the "business" into your home, not incall, I think absolutely anyone should be treated with caution. You should know what you are going to do if there is a problem.

(I am older and more cynical then you. I don't pretend to know the business better then you so our opinions may vary.)

 

[RTRD]

so I guess it can work both ways.

I am certain it does.

And since you can make sweeping generalizations about women in the sex trade, I guess I can make some about the men who see such unsavoury ladies. I don't neccessarily agree with all of what I am saying, but I will say it to make my point.



Men who see women in the sex trade are in one form or another desperate.

I would agree.

They don't care who, as many of these ladies are not the most trustable people and not the most clean either.

Well, that is obviously not true...if it were resources like TERB would not exist. That said, some percentage probably do not.

The men who see them don't necessarily care about who they are having sex with and how this person conducts herself. much like how someone who intends to hurt another person does not care about their vicitim. They are in it for the pleasure and/or the relief.

I have seen some evidence of this from some men right here on TERB.

Many people on this board like to think of themselves as just an average person who pays the girl next door to fuck for money. They think of themselves as the types to be respectful of these 'girls next door' who fuck for money. However this is not always the case. Some come with itentions of robbing the lady, coercing her into doing something illegal, or perhaps acting out violently on her.

I have absolutely no doubt that this is the case for some percentage. Probably a percentage on par with those number of SPs who would consider robbing the home of a client (or facilitating the act thereof).

One mild difference through...

A guy who beats up an SP knows he will face repercussions should he be caught.

An SP who robs a client PROBABLY takes some comfort in knowing that said guy will trade his secret being kept that way for the financial loss suffered

And here is where I speak from experience....

...then there were the ones who tried to talk me in to doing stupid things like smoking crack, driving by their drug dealer's house on the way to get them a fix, asking me to get them illegal things/services, and outright bend and violate my boundaries. There was also one *special* dude who assualted me and robbed me. Oh and let's not forget the condom negotiators who begged me for BBFS, and the loser who tried to rip off the condom (both situations I left because of what they were trying to do).

And yet you continued work as an SP after at least the majority of those events...which speaks to my point...

So I guess I can paint all of you with the same black brush that you are painting us ladies with:loathsome immoral people who I (or any other SP) should never invite in to my home because it is far to dangerous and you might decide to rape and kill me.

That would be "all them", and since you can clearly read, you should note that I never said ALL....but when it comes to deciding what I am prepared to put at risk in MY life...yes damn it...I get to decide what sort of generalization I want to make.

Because...you know...some of us just aren't the risk takers others of us are...just because you are kewl with risking ending up naked with a crack user who wants to negotiate the use of a condom with you and take you by his drug dealers place doesn't mean *I* am willing to risk having someone in my home who is desperate enough to take risks like that....

 

[Fabulous]

This is what I know about "you". "You" are willing to do things I am not willing to do in order to make money. Not things I would find unpleasant, or I am not qualified for - things I would not do. Indeed...things MOST PEOPLE (women) would not do.

Does this make you a thief? No.

Does it make you (IMHO) someone who is prepared to set aside (typical) boundaries for financial gain? Yes....much like...yes...a thief.

Mlam someone who thieves is a criminal they are stealing (duh, clearly you can't tell the difference) SP's are providing a service they are not thieves, money in exchange for service. I can see you don't get the concept, but please time to stop the comparison.

The thief is not providing you a service. The thief is going to jail. (outcall)Sp's are not.

There are many unconventional occupations where typical people would not venture into, because of the dangers. I am not going to list them for you. I am sure can try to figure out what they are. Whether they need education or not that's not my point. My point is that lots of people can accept to live beyond your 'averge joe' boundaries for financial gain and other benefits that come with it. I'd say sex work is still less hazardous than uhm lets say being a cop, a firefighter or even a cab driver.
Service oriented occupations, not thieves.

What I am not willing to do is go to jail! So I don't do anything that's illegal.

(Many) people on this board like to pretend "escorts are just like the girl next door...except they fuck for money". They also like to pretend there is no sex trade industry, or pimps, or that all escorts are STD free while civilians are rampant spreaders of disease.

Why should I be a slut and give it away for free when I can get paid for it. Sometimes I just sit there and shoot the shit for hours, eat and drink, one 2min. fuck and I am out of there, a Gnote happier. As a 'civilian' woman I am approached with a dinner/movie/bareback sex/see you next week, WTF is that? How does that benefit me? Do I just keep kissing all the frogs, catch disease til I find my prince. Hell no. I can take care on my own.

Me, I'd wager to say that the SPs who are "just like the girl next door except the fuck for money" are the exception, not the rule. I don't know any SPs (to my knowledge), but my guess is that circumstances...indeed (perceived) DESPERATE circumstances...are what lead women into the sex industry...even when they are not on a corner and charge $300/hr. That doesn't mean they stay desperate...nor...again...does it make them a thief. But it does mean what I said...that some perceived circumstances led to a decision to cross a line and enter a world where their health and safety are to some degree at risk, and where social stigma is the order of the day.

All very much like a thief.

There are always circumstances in life, could be that; a poor girl wants to go to school but her minimum hour wage and loans can't pay for her wanted education, could be that girl just got fired, has no money and doesn't want to be homeless. In my case 'I crossed the line' cause I was acustomed to living well but sudenly became a sigle parent with no income, alimony or child support, when my kid was still a toddler. I just didn't feel like moving to the ghetto or even lowering our standard of living. I didn't have an education and the only jobs I could get were obviously min. wage that would also take me away from raising my child, which was not an option for me.

Oh and I am still not LIKE A THIEF. But all along I've provided a service and hopefully made some men happy and relieved. So instead of comparing Sp's to thieves maybe you could find a better comparison; like a therapist or psych doc.

So for my money, no, no way no how would an Escort be seeing any parts of my home, unless it were an apartment or condo, and they had to gain access with my / others permission, and they would have to pass by same with goods from my abode.

Yeah that's nice, but trust me YOUR HOME is not all that special to sp's. We see them in and out everyday. I've been in mansions and all kinds of exclusive condos etc. It's really not that big of a deal for me. I am not that easily impressed. I've got all the same ameneties, if not more than you.

That might alleviate my concerns a bit...with my hope being my doorman would ask questions such as "where are you going?" and "is Mr. MLAM expecting you" and "why are you walking through the lobby with Mr. MLAM's flat screen TV?".

oh wow you've got a flat screen too? was that expensive?

But to my house? Absofuckinglutelynofuckingway.

But then again...some of us are more desperate than others...

Absolutelly nothing to do with desperation.
The man is single, he hires escorts from agencies, this time he wanted to try an indy. What's the big deal?


Another question for you MLam, why are you on this board? You obviously despise all sex workers and their clients. According to you anybody who pays for pussy is desperate as are the sp's providing the service, now we are all compared to thieves and junkies, really why are you hanging out amongst us bad people of the criminal eliment?

 

[hunter001]

You obviously despise all sex workers and their clients.

It might not be just the sex workers.

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1850653#post1850653

Really, I think the skank and mom are just attention whores...they are loving their moment in the spotlight, as is their incompetent lawyer, who THINKS there might be a payday for this, and at minimum gets to appear on TV as well...

 

[RTRD]

Response...

Mlam someone who thieves is a criminal they are stealing (duh, clearly you can't tell the difference) SP's are providing a service they are not thieves, money in exchange for service. I can see you don't get the concept, but please time to stop the comparison.

If you think the issue here is legality then you are SERIOUSLY missing the point. I never ONCE brought up legal issues...to me is was all about risk vs. reward, and having a "straight" life versus one that must be kept under the wire. The whole jail thing is YOUR excuse for to try to say "see, I'm no different than a clerk at Canadian Tire". If it works for you, go for it, but don't try to paint ME as that stupid.

There are many unconventional occupations where typical people would not venture into, because of the dangers. Whether they need education or not that's not my point. My point is that lots of people can accept to live beyond your 'averge joe' boundaries for financial gain and other benefits that come with it. I'd say sex work is still less hazardous than uhm lets say being a cop, a firefighter or even a cab driver.
Service oriented occupations, not thieves.

With the exception if the cabbie I'd say you are pulling things out of your ass. No way I buy being a cop or a fire fighter is more risky than being a sex worker. Come back with some stats versus assumptions then we a can talk.

Now, in regards to what people CAN do...I never said they couldn't. But you will note that the professions you listed (again with the possible exception of cab driver) do not come with social stigma. And while they come with risks, they also come with support systems to address those risks. You, on the other hand, if we are to believe you, show up to fuck total strangers without even the benefit of someone close by for protection. You arrive, take off all you clothes, and have sex with someone you do not know from ADAM. A possible...what did she say ...crack user who might try to convince you to go beyond your boundaries and then ask you to drive by his drug dealers house. That isn't dealing with a known risk that can be mitigted...that is just stupid. IMHO of course...

What I am not willing to do is go to jail! So I don't do anything that's illegal.

Most people aren't willing to go to jail. Most people also aren't willing to suck off strangers for money either. So your point here is?

Why should I be a slut and give it away for free when I can get paid for it.

Ummm...you could just not be a slut. I guess that option had not come up for you...

Sometimes I just sit there and shoot the shit for hours, eat and drink, one 2min. fuck and I am out of there, a Gnote happier.

And I choose not to have someone with values like that in my home. See? We both are on the same page.

As a 'civilian' woman I am approached with a dinner/movie/bareback sex/see you next week, WTF is that?

Could be how you carry yourself...you draw toward you your own element. That not withstanding, you could also just say no.

How does that benefit me? Do I just keep kissing all the frogs, catch disease til I find my prince. Hell no. I can take care on my own.

So...if you are a "civilian" you are doomed to catch a diesase? All "civilian" women are STD carriers? I see it isn't just Johns who like to delude themselves...the whole "this is so much better than the 'real world' of civilian dating because those people are only out for money / free bareback sex and they just want to use me" thing.

I happen to know a few "civilians" who manage to "take care of (their) own" without turning tricks. I married a couple...have dated a few. But...if you want to take pride in your accomplishments, I understand. Human nature it is.

There are always circumstances in life, could be that; a poor girl wants to go to school but her minimum hour wage and loans can't pay for her wanted education,

So every girl in college is either getting money from her parents or turning tricks? Ok...then....what do the guys do? Turn tricks as well?

Higher education in Canada is DIRT CHEAP. I spent 5 times what an education costs in Canada getting my undergrad and grad degrees, and didn't turn a single trick, nor did I get a dime from my parents. That is just a lame ass excuse cop out. If you want to turn tricks instead of getting a real job - fine. Your choice. But don't insult my intelligence by trying to claim you had no other options.

could be that girl just got fired, has no money and doesn't want to be homeless.

That would be the desperate circumstances I was speaking of, though again I would say there are other options. For example, whatever it is that guys do in those circumstances (oh wait...they all become thieves, don't they?).

BTW...people who live a life whereby getting fired instantly becomes looking at homelessness...as in no savings...no relationship with friends or family...yeah, those are the type of people who becomes thieves out of desperation. Not all do...some for example apparently become SPs...but I am not going to put myself at risk hoping for the best.

In my case 'I crossed the line' cause I was acustomed to living well but sudenly became a sigle parent with no income, alimony or child support, when my kid was still a toddler. "I didn't have an education"

Sounds like you did a great job of setting yourself up there...which again speaks to my point.

Oh and I am still not LIKE A THIEF.

I don't recall saying you were

But all along I've provided a service and hopefully made some men happy and relieved. So instead of comparing Sp's to thieves maybe you could find a better comparison; like a therapist or psych doc.

Or booky, or drug dealer. BTW...before you scream "it isn't illegal"...it is...just not in the way you are managing it, and not here. But in other forms...and in other places....it is VERY illegal...unlike say, being a cop or fireman or a cab driver. But I guess those analogies would make sense to you if your therapist or psychiatrist ones do.

Yeah that's nice, but trust me YOUR HOME is not all that special to sp's. We see them in and out everyday. I've been in mansions and all kinds of exclusive condos etc. It's really not that big of a deal for me. I am not that easily impressed. I've got all the same amenities, if not more than you.

I understand you believe it isn't special to YOU. I am not sure how you would be able to speak for all SPs. Regardless, I don't give a shit. As I explained before, I frankly do not care about how broad a paint brush I use to paint with when it comes to the protection of me and mine...so no, impressed or not, you STILL do not get to come into my house. Because, given your lack of education and skills (by your own admission) and your willingness to do things of questionable social suitability, you match the profile of either a thief, or someone who would facilitate thievery. Does not mean you are, does mean I am not taking my chances. You have admitted to even having been desperate, and confessed to being a person who appears to make bad choices (like the one to not secure education, or having a child with someone who would not pay alimony or child support, or leave a death benefit, and to not have a job of your own while involved - and having children - with such a person). I don't' like to be around people who live their lives so randomly, and I sure as hell am not going to have them in my home without good reason. And to fuck is not good reason.

oh wow you've got a flat screen too? was that expensive?

Actually...I don't. That was what we call an "allegory", albeit a modern day one. A "flat screen TV" is the modern representation of "my shit".

However, if I chose to go buy a flat screen, rest assured I wouldn't have had to fuck anybody I didn't know and / or like to do so (refer again to Ron Jeremy post).

Another question for you MLam, why are you on this board?

It tickles the shit out of me.

You obviously despise all sex workers and their clients.

Not true. I've all but started fan clubs for some SPs on this board...the ones that conduct themselves with obvious dignity and class. The ones who clearly COULD be doing something else, but for whatever reason elect to do this because it fits their life right now. The ones who have never claimed that their circumstances brought them to this point. The ones that don't attack their client base from behind an internet handle, the ones that don't run 30min specials. I have expressed (go check my history) an ADMIRATION for a woman who has enough game to be able to handle her business PROFESSIONALLY and who has enough charm that men truly pay for her company (hence no 30 minutes specials) with sex being the cherry on top. I respect ANYBODY who does what they do well, and who runs the game versus letting the game run them. That would include THIEVES (but not B&E guys) and escorts (but not internet whores).

According to you anybody who pays for pussy is desperate

Also not true...I said some percentage probably are...but again I have commented in the past that I do understand how / why SOME segment of the population does it. Again, check the posting history.

as are the sp's providing the service,

This is a reading comprehension thing for you, isn't it?

really why are you hanging out amongst us bad people of the criminal eliment?

Asked and answered.