Ratings are subjective - What do you base them on?

[legendspirit]

My apologies if this is in the wrong section. However, I have noticed that reviews of SPs tend to be pretty liberal with the ratings with regards to looks, body etc. I can understand that that is all subjective. However, if every "good" one is a 9/10 then where do we go from there?

For example, I've seen a couple of SPs recently where their face or body was consistently rated 9 or 10, but quite frankly they were not. While they were still beautiful women in their own right and had an enjoyable time. One SP was pretty fat with a lot of giggly bits. She was not a BBW, but she was pushing the limits. I went into the session with the impression that they were absolute knockouts. Just for reference I think Nicole Aniston is a solid 10/10 in terms of looks.

This got me thinking about the mindset of reviewers when they write their reviews. Where do you pull these numbers from? Are they relative to how you perceive yourself? Etc...

 

[rhuarc29]

I agree. While looks are subjective, I find many members on here vastly overrate SPs in that department relative to my own scale. It's like their own scale runs from 8-10 instead of 1-10. It makes it so that I can't even take them seriously.
What's worse is that a good session often skews the beauty rating upwards, and a bad session downwards.

I find I have much better luck judging looks off of the site pics, which says a lot considering how photo-shopped they are. When you can judge an SP's looks better off photo-shopped pics than a TERB review score, that's a bad sign.

My own scale runs from 1-10 with 5 being an average civilian. A great session in terms of service and attitude will not skew my perspective of beauty, even though I consider service and attitude more important. While I've met plenty of "8s" and some "9s", I don't think I've ever met a "10" in person, let alone the "11s" some claim on here! lol

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

I would hope that the ratings are reflective of the growing awareness of the impossible and unreal perception of beauty promoted in the media. The media taken such a narrow definition of perfection and promoted it when in fact it's not only inaccurate but in essence detrimental to all, including those who meet those standards. The belief that men are incapable of resisting the brainwashing is a disservice to all men. They are more than capable of deciding for themselves what appeals to them and are not given credit for being open about the fact they find women attractive who don't fall into those unrealistic perceptions. The boards today are far more open and aware than they were 10 years ago and I'm glad to see it. Yes, one mans 10 is another's 6.5 because no two men have identical tastes. It's one of the reasons providers have pushed back against physical ratings since the beginning. It's simply not an effective way to convey information and leads to confusion...

smiles, cat

 

[oldjones]

I hope you keep reading legendspirit. You'll soon find there are lotsa guys who make a stated point of avoiding numerical scales, and lots more who just don't. Reviews are always subjective, and always will be so their usefulness is always as much in the perceptiveness of the reader as in the perceptions of the writer. Same applies whether the experience being described and the subject reviewed is a book, a film, a meal or a massage. But at least in these Forums, we get to question or demur.

I hope you get helpful answers from some of the NumberGuys — especially the ones with such precisely attuned scales that they use decimals — but my bet is the numbers come from reading reviews in other fields they think of as standard models, and they distrust their own powers of precise and potent description. My practice is just to translate them into Good, Better, Best or Very, Very Very, Very Very Very.

And read to enjoy. It ain't ever gonna be a science

 

[jcpro]

I agree. While looks are subjective, I find many members on here vastly overrate SPs in that department relative to my own scale. It's like their own scale runs from 8-10 instead of 1-10. It makes it so that I can't even take them seriously.
What's worse is that a good session often skews the beauty rating upwards, and a bad session downwards.

I find I have much better luck judging looks off of the site pics, which says a lot considering how photo-shopped they are. When you can judge an SP's looks better off photo-shopped pics than a TERB review score, that's a bad sign.

My own scale runs from 1-10 with 5 being an average civilian. A great session in terms of service and attitude will not skew my perspective of beauty, even though I consider service and attitude more important. While I've met plenty of "8s" and some "9s", I don't think I've ever met a "10" in person, let alone the "11s" some claim on here! lol

On the other hand, a lady with a great attitude and a disarming smile does look a bit better.

 

[Jasmina]

Beautifully said!

I would hope that the ratings are reflective of the growing awareness of the impossible and unreal perception of beauty promoted in the media. The media taken such a narrow definition of perfection and promoted it when in fact it's not only inaccurate but in essence detrimental to all, including those who meet those standards. The belief that men are incapable of resisting the brainwashing is a disservice to all men. They are more than capable of deciding for themselves what appeals to them and are not given credit for being open about the fact they find women attractive who don't fall into those unrealistic perceptions. The boards today are far more open and aware than they were 10 years ago and I'm glad to see it. Yes, one mans 10 is another's 6.5 because no two men have identical tastes. It's one of the reasons providers have pushed back against physical ratings since the beginning. It's simply not an effective way to convey information and leads to confusion...

smiles, cat

 

[IM469]

I would hope that the ratings are reflective of the growing awareness of the impossible and unreal perception of beauty promoted in the media. The media taken such a narrow definition of perfection and promoted it when in fact it's not only inaccurate but in essence detrimental to all, including those who meet those standards. The belief that men are incapable of resisting the brainwashing is a disservice to all men. They are more than capable of deciding for themselves what appeals to them and are not given credit for being open about the fact they find women attractive who don't fall into those unrealistic perceptions. The boards today are far more open and aware than they were 10 years ago and I'm glad to see it. Yes, one mans 10 is another's 6.5 because no two men have identical tastes. It's one of the reasons providers have pushed back against physical ratings since the beginning. It's simply not an effective way to convey information and leads to confusion...

I'm sorry but I think is is a load of crap perpetuated by those who prefer to change healthy attitudes of sexual attractiveness by men because they find themselves outside the interest of their own preferred desirable handsome men. BTW - these desirable men are judged by the same physical scales of perfection that they don't want used for themselves. If you are a guy who is short, bald, fat, old, small dick and/or lack the chiselled facial features women prefer - you are for the most part SOL. Women are every bit as judgemental as men. When is the last time a woman gravitated to the short fat guy in the bar because of his inner beauty ? Yet you don't see men rising up suggesting that it is a media conspiracy that the hot guys get the girls.

Just a thought but if you are going to blame the media on men's sexual preference for women, why not leap a little farther and suggest that homosexual attraction is caused by the media conspiracy also ?

Ladies and gentlemen ... the defense rests.

 

[Jasmina]

ALL the time!

When is the last time a woman gravitated to the short fat guy in the bar because of his inner beauty ?

 

[IM469]

ALL the time!

And ignore the inner beauty of the man next to him just because he is crippled by his good looks ?

 

[explorerzip]

Where do you pull these numbers from?

Numeric ratings are pulled out of thin air with no basis in reality. No matter how sexy you think a celeb or pornstar is in photos or movies, the real thing will never match.

 

[Jasmina]

You played it with the implication that women will choose the man who is attractive outwardly over the one who radiates inner beauty. We gravitate towards whomever makes us feel good, the one who is attentive and engaging. Kindness baby! It makes us wet.

And ignore the inner beauty of the man next to him just because he is crippled by his good looks ?

 

[IM469]

You played it with the implication that women will choose the man who is attractive outwardly over the one who radiates inner beauty. We gravitate towards whomever makes us feel good, the one who is attentive and engaging. Kindness baby! It makes us wet.

I'm basing it on high school dances and nightclub experience - not sure how the quiet guys reading this thread have experienced female preferences ..(hint,hint). As for attentive and engaging ... I thought those fell into a separate hot female category commonly referred to as 'friends'.

Thanks to your insight - I am going to renew my efforts .. I'll take off the wig ... I won't wear the Polish sausage I strap to my leg ... no more lifted shoes to bring me to 5 foot 3 inches .... now I'll engage and dazzle them with my card tricks !!! This will be a walk in the park ! Thanks !!!

 

[legendspirit]

I hope you keep reading legendspirit. You'll soon find there are lotsa guys who make a stated point of avoiding numerical scales, and lots more who just don't. Reviews are always subjective, and always will be so their usefulness is always as much in the perceptiveness of the reader as in the perceptions of the writer. Same applies whether the experience being described and the subject reviewed is a book, a film, a meal or a massage. But at least in these Forums, we get to question or demur.

I hope you get helpful answers from some of the NumberGuys — especially the ones with such precisely attuned scales that they use decimals — but my bet is the numbers come from reading reviews in other fields they think of as standard models, and they distrust their own powers of precise and potent description. My practice is just to translate them into Good, Better, Best or Very, Very Very, Very Very Very.

And read to enjoy. It ain't ever gonna be a science

Wouldn't that be worse though? With the usage of only positive and good terms to describe someone you're painting them as some sort of Goddess which isn't an accurate representation. This also defeats the purpose of reviews and ratings.

 

[Carvher]

I'm basing it on high school dances and nightclub experience - not sure how the quiet guys reading this thread have experienced female preferences ..(hint,hint). As for attentive and engaging ... I thought those fell into a separate hot female category commonly referred to as 'friends'.

Thanks to your insight - I am going to renew my efforts .. I'll take off the wig ... I won't wear the Polish sausage I strap to my leg ... no more lifted shoes to bring me to 5 foot 3 inches .... now I'll engage and dazzle them with my card tricks !!! This will be a walk in the park ! Thanks !!!

Too funny!

 

[Jasmina]

Hahahaha, babe you get more pussy than anyone, you're not fooling me!

I'm basing it on high school dances and nightclub experience - not sure how the quiet guys reading this thread have experienced female preferences ..(hint,hint). As for attentive and engaging ... I thought those fell into a separate hot female category commonly referred to as 'friends'.

Thanks to your insight - I am going to renew my efforts .. I'll take off the wig ... I won't wear the Polish sausage I strap to my leg ... no more lifted shoes to bring me to 5 foot 3 inches .... now I'll engage and dazzle them with my card tricks !!! This will be a walk in the park ! Thanks !!!

 

[Catherine St.Claire]

I'm sorry but I think is is a load of crap perpetuated by those who prefer to change healthy attitudes of sexual attractiveness by men because they find themselves outside the interest of their own preferred desirable handsome men. BTW - these desirable men are judged by the same physical scales of perfection that they don't want used for themselves. If you are a guy who is short, bald, fat, old, small dick and/or lack the chiselled facial features women prefer - you are for the most part SOL. Women are every bit as judgemental as men. When is the last time a woman gravitated to the short fat guy in the bar because of his inner beauty ? Yet you don't see men rising up suggesting that it is a media conspiracy that the hot guys get the girls.

Just a thought but if you are going to blame the media on men's sexual preference for women, why not leap a little farther and suggest that homosexual attraction is caused by the media conspiracy also?

Ladies and gentlemen ... the defense rests.

If you reread my post; you'll see I advocate that most men are not a media driven sheep herd. Perhaps I should have written it in simpler prose. Great play starts in the mind first and foremost, if a man is genuinely sexy it's because he has a lickable brain. From a strictly physical perspective, I happen to have a preference for men with a little extra padding who are under 5'8. It doesn't exclude other body types from rocking my world but if I have to count on physical stature alone, give me a Danny Devito any day. Women are as fallible as men when it comes to being bamboozled by the media but once they develop their sense of self, that falls away. If a man knows how to touch a woman without using his hands, it doesn't matter what he looks like...

I'm sorry but I think is is a load of crap perpetuated by those who prefer to change healthy attitudes of sexual attractiveness by men because they find themselves outside the interest of their own preferred desirable handsome men.

While this concept may seems self evident, my personal experience has proven to me that it's simply not true. During my entire career I have never fallen into the current beauty norms and it has never impacted my income. Men love women who love men and who embody a strong sense of self. Once skin has kissed with connection, play partners become infinitely more visually attractive for those who are in the moment having an experience. It's only those who won't turn their thoughts off and let their egos dictate their reality that find reasons to be dissatisfied. As sad as it may seem, some people just like being unfulfilled and argumentative...

smiles, cat

 

[Butler1000]

I usually knock at least one point off the scale depending on the gushing involved.

I just look at it as the result of after glow from a great session. We all experience it. The after high. It takes nothing away from the experience they had either. Just the looks part will get inflated as a result.

 

[oldjones]

Wouldn't that be worse though? With the usage of only positive and good terms to describe someone you're painting them as some sort of Goddess which isn't an accurate representation. This also defeats the purpose of reviews and ratings.

I'm sorry I wasn't more clear. In no way would I ever favour "…only positive and good terms" in reviews. There's nothing wrong with 'bad, worse and worst' as such. If you're still trying to relate numerical ratings to actual reviews with content in words, combine that range with 'good, better, best' and you have a six-point scale.

Whether reviewers use numbers or words, you'll find few reviews actually are outright negative. If they're that bad at their work, the providers don't last long, and once the walk-away moment has passed, most of us are inclined to minimize our disappointment. Not to mention having mothers who taught us to be polite.

To restate it: A review will always be subjective. If it's going to be useful it's better to have the fullest description of reactions, feelings and impressions than some made-up number that pretends to reduce what was done, and who it was done with to something as rudimentary as a temperature scale. Which will always leave the reader of the review to do half the work.

Beats showing up and discovering that other guy's 'Looks: 10++' actually meant 'her enhanced boobs coulda kept the Titanic afloat for days'. And leaves you to decide that's just what you're after.

 

[bigshot]

While I have to admit that I need to be interested in the appearance of any of the lovelies who might grab my attention. I tend to be interested in spinners who are either asian or have more of the brunette appearance. Blondes are a rarity for me, with the exception of the lovely Carmen. When reading a review, I have to have some sense of her personality as it is described by a TERB member. If the comments about personalty intrigue me, then we're off to the races!,

 

[IM469]

While this concept may seems self evident, my personal experience has proven to me that it's simply not true. During my entire career I have never fallen into the current beauty norms and it has never impacted my income. Men love women who love men and who embody a strong sense of self. Once skin has kissed with connection, play partners become infinitely more visually attractive for those who are in the moment having an experience. It's only those who won't turn their thoughts off and let their egos dictate their reality that find reasons to be dissatisfied. As sad as it may seem, some people just like being unfulfilled and argumentative...

smiles, cat

If your love making is reflected in the eloquence and passion of your writing, I imagine the experience defies anything that could be defined in purely physical terms anyway. That being acknowledged, it is a fact that like a diamond in a lump of coal, it is hidden from the casual viewer when they meet you. In most social gatherings, you do not have the luxury of in depth character review so your impression and investment of time will be set by the appearance (looks/mood) of the person. These are personal preferences and they vary widely for everyone. My problem is that people will set standards on both sides of the equation. If you are attracted to slim young female - it is unfair to criticize this choice over heavy set, mulatto, Muslim, etc, etc ... it's a personal choice and not subject to critique IMHO.

As for the suggestion that advertising, casting, etc steers public opinion - I suggest that public opinion steers advertising. The slim models (male & female) are featured in publicity , fashion, etc is a money driven decision by presenting what people respond. To be frank, if I saw clothes on a model that looks like me - I won't buy them. Weird as it sounds, my goal is to look better - to look similar to the model and that motivates my buying which pays for the advertising.

My summary (sorry if the message appears convoluted) is that you can't complain and twist peoples opinions to meet your expectations. Don't eat bonbons and complain that the skinny girl next to you gets more attention. You have some control over your own body and appearance - I think it's unrealistic to expect people to adjust to your personal preferences.