Raptors Win NBA Draft Lottery!!!

[wonkyknee]

I still say "limit" the changes to the team.

Everyone wants to drop M.James cause of comments he made, which I didn't view as disruptive or malicious to the team.

The man averaged 20points a game and 5.8 assists.!!!!!

Now he's considered a ball hog...and i thought so too, but the Raps don't exactly have many finishers on the team so how confident could he be passing the ball when guys aren't scoring or finishing.

Get one more impact big man...doesn't even have to be a 7 footer, but a good finisher. With a year under Villanueva's belt and some confidence, hopefully we'd have 3 finishers. It would then be up to the coaches to set up plays and at the end of the day, M.James would average 15 points a game but 8-9assists/game....and 2-3 big men on the team with 15-20points hopefully 7-10 boards/game....and whole lot of defense

 

[Choron]

you're not thinking straight, the only reason mike james put up those numbers is because nobody else on the raptors could make shots last year for shit aside from him and bosh...So no I don't want to keep him...

Lets sign and trade him if we can work that out... but if not then *wave bye bye* to MJ because he's not worth what he is asking for...

I would also like to say for the record that if you think Mike James will EVER average 8-9 assists per game you should go and check yourself into the nearest rehab centre because you're on some serious crack man....

SERIOUSLY crack...Mike James will NEVER average jason kidd and steve nash numbers in assists... hahaha


Also the raptors will have more finishers next year with the progression of Charlie V, CB4, Mo Pete and Joe Grahhame...All of whome will get nothing but better...*sigh* and then there's Araujo what a loser he is...

 

[bobistheowl]

"They didn't want a Canadian team to do the same."


...you people are insecure and paranoid.

Believe it or not, thinking about Canadians and what they do or don't want (or what they will or will not accomplish) is very, very low on the radar screen for most Americans.

The owners didn't want the new expansion teams to have the first pick because they are selfish greedy fucks who COULD put such a requirement in place. It didn't have shit to do with the Raptors and Grizz being Canadian teams...

Doesn't being so damn insecure just wear on your collective psyche as a country after awhile?? I mean, don't you think it has become a inhibition to accomplishing anything anywhere?

"Why try to suceed at ______ ? The Americans will cheat and keep us from winning anyway"

It is also pretty damn arrogant to think you are that important as well....

No such conditions were ever imposed on an American franchise.

 

[frankcastle]

M James would be much better if he moved the ball more instead of hanging on to it in the 4th Q trying to be the hero. The one good thing is that you can change that. What we can't change is his age or the amount that he wants.

Now a guy like Arujo is just too slow, can't rebound or defend or score that's too much to expect to change.

So if you want to look at James optimistically he's not that bad.

That being said I'd rather pass on his contract and try out luck with someone else.

As for the 7' italian. I wouldn't risk taking him according to the Star he averaged about 3 rebounds per game. Not exactly the interior presence that we're looking for. If we want a shooter to spread the floor let's not look for our centre to be that option. I think Lamarcus Aldrigde would be a better pick for our needs at centre.

As for the PG problems the 10 mill in cap could probably net us a pretty awesome PG free agent if one is available.

I like mo pete for his shooting albeit streaky. Obviously I like Bosh for everything he brings. I think CV has a lot of potential. So I say it'd be best to use the pick on a centre rather than a PG since it's a lot to expect a rookie to run the raps offence. Of course having a rook take on shaq is no cake walk either but given the choice of a rookie pg or centre I think it'd be better to take a centre.

I'm not conviced about Joey but that's because I haven't seen him play much so I can't really assess where his game is at. But I'm still intrigued.

In addition to centre and PG problems it'd be nice to have someone who can come off the bench and provide an offensive spark.... Jose seems to be able to do that in small spurts so maybe adding one more solid role player coming off the bench would be nice too. But at that point why don't I just wish Shaq and Kobe decide the want to reconcile and try and make a run in T.O.

 

[RTRD]

Had the expansion teams at the time been in the U.S..

No such conditions were ever imposed on an American franchise.

...then they would have had the same "conditions".

It has NOTHING to do with being Canadian. It MIGHT have something to do with your point of the Magic having done so well so soon...but not nothing to do with the teams being based in Canada.

Really...this country needs to get some collective threapy to deal with the whole jealousy / insecurity thing. Try focusing on being Canadian and all that could mean versus simply identifying yourselves as not American. Americans aren't out to get you - we don't give a damn.

 

[Choron]

M James would be much better if he moved the ball more instead of hanging on to it in the 4th Q trying to be the hero. The one good thing is that you can change that. What we can't change is his age or the amount that he wants.

Now a guy like Arujo is just too slow, can't rebound or defend or score that's too much to expect to change.

So if you want to look at James optimistically he's not that bad.

That being said I'd rather pass on his contract and try out luck with someone else.

As for the 7' italian. I wouldn't risk taking him according to the Star he averaged about 3 rebounds per game. Not exactly the interior presence that we're looking for. If we want a shooter to spread the floor let's not look for our centre to be that option. I think Lamarcus Aldrigde would be a better pick for our needs at centre.

As for the PG problems the 10 mill in cap could probably net us a pretty awesome PG free agent if one is available.

I like mo pete for his shooting albeit streaky. Obviously I like Bosh for everything he brings. I think CV has a lot of potential. So I say it'd be best to use the pick on a centre rather than a PG since it's a lot to expect a rookie to run the raps offence. Of course having a rook take on shaq is no cake walk either but given the choice of a rookie pg or centre I think it'd be better to take a centre.

I'm not conviced about Joey but that's because I haven't seen him play much so I can't really assess where his game is at. But I'm still intrigued.

In addition to centre and PG problems it'd be nice to have someone who can come off the bench and provide an offensive spark.... Jose seems to be able to do that in small spurts so maybe adding one more solid role player coming off the bench would be nice too. But at that point why don't I just wish Shaq and Kobe decide the want to reconcile and try and make a run in T.O.

As far as picking this year with the #1 pick...that would be a mistake...

I would look to trade down the pick to #3-#5 and pick the top point guard...I think its Marcus Williams...and to flip our first pick this year and next year for one of the teams that is picking in that range(ie portland) and get their pick next year to have a better shot at Greg Oden...because lets face it either way the raptors are going to do better next year, everyone is progessing and the team will only have more wins next year than it does this year( thus putting the other team at a huge disadvantage in the lottery while still giving the raptors top 5 odds in the lottery next year for Greg Oden) Mike James could be tossed to Portland if need be...

Im not sure this will happen though I am sure it will be one of the allies that Collangelo and the raptors will persue...

 

[BlahBlah]

flip our first pick this year and next year for one of the teams that is picking in that range(ie portland) and get their pick next year to have a better shot at Greg Oden...because lets face it either way the raptors are going to do better next year, everyone is progessing and the team will only have more wins next year than it does this year( thus putting the other team at a huge disadvantage in the lottery while still giving the raptors top 5 odds in the lottery next year for Greg Oden) Mike James could be tossed to Portland if need be..

This year's draft is considered a weak one interms of the lack of a true bona-fide #1. Any one of the top five prospects have GMs who would rank them number 1, however, unless someone REALLY likes a specific player, any trades downward will not fetch a huge catch for the Raptors.
And NO general manager in his right mind would move next year's pick with Oden coming, especially not to move up in this year's draft. There's only one GM dumb enough to do that and Isaih already gave that away in the Eddy Curry trade where the Bulls have the option to swap first rounders with them.
The ONLY way the Raps get Greg Oden is if they win the lottery again next year. If Colangelo is able to move this year's pick, with or without Mike James thrown in, and come away with the pick to draft Greg Oden next season, then Choron, I will treat you to a massage from your fave MPA at HFH, SRM or Allure.
No way that happens, there's no prospect in this year's draft that any GM will risk losing Greg Oden over.

 

[Choron]

dude like I said before most GM's already understand that they don't have a legitimate shot at Oden!

 

[Brookstone]

ok all this talk about next years draft and Oden or anyone else. Who is to say that Oden is going to be available next year. Has he said hes going to the pros after just 1 year in college for sure?
Ya hes the big hype now, but what if his play suffers in college, or other players stepped up, or he gets injured, or decides to stay in college and any other possibilities.
You guys are talking about next years draft when this years draft hasnt even finished or even the 2007 season hasnt started yet. There are still hs kids deciding what school they want to go to next year. I think all this talk about next years is too early, wait at least til ncaa season starts. IMO

 

[bobistheowl]

ok all this talk about next years draft and Oden or anyone else. Who is to say that Oden is going to be available next year. Has he said hes going to the pros after just 1 year in college for sure?
Ya hes the big hype now, but what if his play suffers in college, or other players stepped up, or he gets injured, or decides to stay in college and any other possibilities.
You guys are talking about next years draft when this years draft hasnt even finished or even the 2007 season hasnt started yet. There are still hs kids deciding what school they want to go to next year. I think all this talk about next years is too early, wait at least til ncaa season starts. IMO

Since the Draft Lottery was introduced in 1985, there are only two players who, being a consensus #1 pick while still having NCAA eligibility, chose to stay in college, rather than turn pro. Neither of them was in a situation like Oden's.

Both went #1 to the San Antonio Spurs. The first was David Robinson, drafted #1 in 1987. He attended Navy, and had a post scholastic military obligation before he could turn pro.

The other was Tim Duncan, drafted #1 from Wake Forest in 1997. Duncan had made a promise to his dying father that he would complete his college education, and he kept it.

Ironically, it was a season-ending injury to Robinson six games into the 1996-97 season that allowed the Spurs to have a shot at Duncan in the first place. San Antonio was 59-23 in 1995-96, dropped to 20-62 in 1996-97, and rebounded to 56-26 in 1997-98, and haven't looked back since.

Since taking over as Spurs' head coach 19 games into the 1996-97 season, Greg Popovich as compiled the second highest career winning percentage among NBA coaches with at least ten years service, (.673, behind Phil Jackson at .713). Popovich is also second behind Jackson among active coaches in playoff winning percentage, and fifth overall. He's a great coach, but also a very lucky one, other than the acne scars.

 

[Choron]

ok all this talk about next years draft and Oden or anyone else. Who is to say that Oden is going to be available next year. Has he said hes going to the pros after just 1 year in college for sure?
Ya hes the big hype now, but what if his play suffers in college, or other players stepped up, or he gets injured, or decides to stay in college and any other possibilities.
You guys are talking about next years draft when this years draft hasnt even finished or even the 2007 season hasnt started yet. There are still hs kids deciding what school they want to go to next year. I think all this talk about next years is too early, wait at least til ncaa season starts. IMO

I disagree with the way scouting works now, scouts can tell franchise players years before hand... Greg Oden = a lebron james calibur draft pick...

With that said, its never too early to discuss that level of talent...



Bosh + a distributing point guard(so many options; I wonder if Toronto could do something to get Mike Bibby) + Oden + Charlie V = OWNAGE

 

[Choron]

Mo'Pete could be some attractive trade bait as well...But I do like him...

 

[basketcase]

...

Bosh + a distributing point guard(so many options; I wonder if Toronto could do something to get Mike Bibby) + Oden + Charlie V = OWNAGE

This is as realistic as the Vince + T-mac + Camby + Bosh + Cassell talk.

 

[Choron]

Not really...You're just ignorant...

 

[21pro]

no clear #1?

 

[slowandeasy]

...then they would have had the same "conditions".

It has NOTHING to do with being Canadian. It MIGHT have something to do with your point of the Magic having done so well so soon...but not nothing to do with the teams being based in Canada.

Really...this country needs to get some collective threapy to deal with the whole jealousy / insecurity thing. Try focusing on being Canadian and all that could mean versus simply identifying yourselves as not American. Americans aren't out to get you - we don't give a damn.

As much as I hate to agree with you MLAM..... the only other reason was that the Canadian teams did not seem to have the power to negotiate a better deal... or they were just so happy to be accepted by the NBA that they foolishly accepted the conditions demanded by the owners...

 

[Brookstone]

I'm just saying that, with every saying oh raps or other teams should trade away this years pick to prepare for oden for next year is premature. Say he does have a great year next year and everything. The teams still has to be 1 of the worst teams in the league to have a chance at top spots in the lottery. Then they have to win the lottery. Theres also no guaranteed the worst team will get 1st pick. Toronto was 5th last i think and ended up with 1.
Would the raptors really trade away in hopes of oden next year? thats another year of development/losing season. Did you'all forget bosh wants a good team, i doubt he would want to go thru another development/losing season for a chance at oden. He hasnt even resigned with the raptors yet. Maybe with Babcock, they would've wanted that, but with Colangelo and the rapts picking looking almost like a decent team, i dont think they are gonna throw away next year for a chance at another 1st pick.

 

[basketcase]

Not really...You're just ignorant...

If Bosh, and co. with bibby playing here couldn't make the playoffs, then the raps would be the biggest joke. Playoff means no lottery pick. Even if they were worst in the league (really, Bosh, Charlie and Bibby would have to he hurt for most of the season), they'd only have a 25% chance of drafting first (and collangelo would be fired too). The only way they would end up on the same teams would be on your xbox.

Ignorant????

Bosh, Charlie, and Bibby? Maybe?
Adding Oden? You might as well hope for the super seven jackpot.

 

[Choron]

ok so Oden may not be a possibilty however Bibby didn't have an amazing season and may be trade bait for us...I think he could make a huge impact here in Toronto...

 

[bobistheowl]

Mo'Pete could be some attractive trade bait as well...But I do like him...

In terms of production for his salary, Mo'Pete is one of the biggest bargains in the NBA, among players who are not still on rookie contracts. His contract runs out at the end of next season, though, so he's really only valuable in a trade with a contending team or a team trying to clear cap room.